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4/2/13 9:20 AM
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Ruthless Rye - ^^^

The defense does not have to prove anything. That is up to the state.

It is Jodi's word against Travis, and, he is no longer able to defend himself.
If he was able to defend himself in the first place we wouldnt be having this conversation and we never woulda got to see her roast beef sammich Phone Post
4/2/13 9:41 AM
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It sounds like Juror 5 made some comments that alluded to Jodi's guilt, and the defense now asserts that she is not fair or impartial.

I'm no legal beagle, but at this point in the trial you have to expect that the jurors have made some opinions. You would need them to be fair and impartial at the beginning, but after two months of testimony if they have drawn certain conclusions, well, that's kind of their job.

Am I right or am I right?
4/2/13 10:04 AM
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Rhymenoceros - It sounds like Juror 5 made some comments that alluded to Jodi's guilt, and the defense now asserts that she is not fair or impartial.

I'm no legal beagle, but at this point in the trial you have to expect that the jurors have made some opinions. You would need them to be fair and impartial at the beginning, but after two months of testimony if they have drawn certain conclusions, well, that's kind of their job.

Am I right or am I right?

I think where she messed up was either writing something for or saying something to other jurors. It's one thing to reach your own conclusion during the trial, but it's something else to share that with the other jurors. Technically, you aren't supposed to discuss the trial with other jurors until it's over.
4/2/13 10:15 AM
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Rhymenoceros - It sounds like Juror 5 made some comments that alluded to Jodi's guilt, and the defense now asserts that she is not fair or impartial.

I'm no legal beagle, but at this point in the trial you have to expect that the jurors have made some opinions. You would need them to be fair and impartial at the beginning, but after two months of testimony if they have drawn certain conclusions, well, that's kind of their job.

Am I right or am I right?
You are correct, sir. Phone Post
4/2/13 10:28 AM
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aarondramp - 
Rhymenoceros - It sounds like Juror 5 made some comments that alluded to Jodi's guilt, and the defense now asserts that she is not fair or impartial.

I'm no legal beagle, but at this point in the trial you have to expect that the jurors have made some opinions. You would need them to be fair and impartial at the beginning, but after two months of testimony if they have drawn certain conclusions, well, that's kind of their job.

Am I right or am I right?

I think where she messed up was either writing something for or saying something to other jurors. It's one thing to reach your own conclusion during the trial, but it's something else to share that with the other jurors. Technically, you aren't supposed to discuss the trial with other jurors until it's over.

That makes sense. However, there must be some discretion the judge can exercise in cases like these. I'm sure it will depend on what she said. If it was, "I knew from the start that bitch was guilty as sin!" then I can see removing the juror. But if it was something like, "that psychologist was so in love with Jodi!" then I think the judge will let it slide.
4/2/13 10:31 AM
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dont allow jury questions if you dont want incriminating questions. Stupid process. Juries should nto have the right to ask any questions.
4/2/13 10:39 AM
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Combat Sport Fan - dont allow jury questions if you dont want incriminating questions. Stupid process. Juries should nto have the right to ask any questions.

I think the issue actually came up when discussing the prosecutor taking pictures with fans out front and whether or not the jury saw it.
4/2/13 2:26 PM
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Ok, we're back. Any idea what was the outcome of the situation with Juror #5?
4/2/13 2:28 PM
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Rhymenoceros - Ok, we're back. Any idea what was the outcome of the situation with Juror #5?

Mistrial denied but juror #5 excused.
4/2/13 2:33 PM
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lol @ the prosecutor getting his panties in a bunch and objecting to almost every question the defense is asking this witness.   

4/2/13 2:37 PM
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Rhymenoceros - Ok, we're back. Any idea what was the outcome of the situation with Juror #5?

Mistrial denied but juror #5 excused.

thats why they give 6 extras
4/2/13 2:37 PM
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Rhymenoceros - Ok, we're back. Any idea what was the outcome of the situation with Juror #5?

Mistrial denied but juror #5 excused.

thats why they give 6 extras
4/2/13 2:41 PM
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4/2/13 2:57 PM
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Objection

overruled

Objection

overruled

Objection

overruled

Objection

dude, STFU already!!!!!

4/2/13 3:00 PM
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Objection

overruled

Objection

overruled

Objection

overruled

Objection

dude, STFU already!!!!!


We've missed you.
4/2/13 3:02 PM
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Ruthless Rye - ^^^

The defense does not have to prove anything. That is up to the state.

It is Jodi's word against Travis, and, he is no longer able to defend himself.
Lol, it's already been proven she killed him. Pretty sure the defense has to prove she did it in self defense Phone Post
4/2/13 3:02 PM
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4/2/13 3:03 PM
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good god... 15 minutes of testimony and already a lunch break????

4/2/13 3:42 PM
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Ruthless Rye - ^^^

The defense does not have to prove anything. That is up to the state.

It is Jodi's word against Travis, and, he is no longer able to defend himself.
Lol, it's already been proven she killed him. Pretty sure the defense has to prove she did it in self defense Phone Post

I am pretty sure you are wrong. Actually, I am 100% sure you are wrong.

The defense does not have to prove shit. All they have to do is raise a reasonable doubt.
4/2/13 3:46 PM
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4/2/13 4:11 PM
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Ruthless Rye - 
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Ruthless Rye - ^^^

The defense does not have to prove anything. That is up to the state.

It is Jodi's word against Travis, and, he is no longer able to defend himself.
Lol, it's already been proven she killed him. Pretty sure the defense has to prove she did it in self defense Phone Post

I am pretty sure you are wrong. Actually, I am 100% sure you are wrong.

The defense does not have to prove shit. All they have to do is raise a reasonable doubt.

yes but they admitted to the killing and must prove self defense. They are in no way making any attempt at reasonable doubt that she killed travis
4/2/13 4:17 PM
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The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that murder 1 was accomplished.


So really they are striving for premeditation, and the self defense claim is being used as a way to create reasonable doubt that there was premeditation.


BUT

they must prove self defense properly which is generally reasonable force, equivalent to force applied.

the defense also tries to create reasonable doubt on the premeditation claims, gas cans, post killing escape, her cover up can possibly hint at pre meditation.


But what they have given up is any reasonable doubt that jodi arias killed travis.
4/2/13 4:17 PM
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but self defense if proven means not guilty.
4/2/13 4:17 PM
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Brother, I know that they already admitted that Jodi killed him. I have been following this trial from the get go.

The burden of proof is on the State to convince the jury that it was not self defense.

Kirk and Jennifer are trying to lay ground work that it was self defense. All it takes is one juror to believe it was possible.

IMO, as I have stated NUMEROUS times in this very thread, is that it was not self defense.
4/2/13 5:18 PM
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Ruthless Rye - Brother, I know that they already admitted that Jodi killed him. I have been following this trial from the get go.

The burden of proof is on the State to convince the jury that it was not self defense.

Kirk and Jennifer are trying to lay ground work that it was self defense. All it takes is one juror to believe it was possible.

IMO, as I have stated NUMEROUS times in this very thread, is that it was not self defense.

Its kind of crazy really.

In most common law jurisdictions, once the elements of the crime have been proved, the burden is on the defense to show on a preponderance of the evidence that it was self defense. If she was being tried in one of those states, she'd be done 99.999%.

But not in Arizona.

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