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4/9/13 11:09 AM
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verdum - you always go too far AI, i think martinez is royally fucking this thing up too, he has good points mostly but the way he goes about it is just convoluted and gets inane.

but you saying that this woman is some genius running circles around him just makes you look foolish.

and that is probably why you get the vote downs that you seem so concerned about.

She's simply not playing his game and not letting him mischaracterize her testimony by asking yes or no questions that if answered that way would lead to mischaracterizations of what she actually said.  

4/9/13 11:19 AM
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verdum - i think it will be a miracle at this point if they can come to a verdict, i have very little faith that there is not at least one knucklehead on that jury that doesnt like martinez and will mention that after the trial as being an important factor in not being able to convict.

listening to juries talk about how they came to their verdicts is some frightening shit at times lol

Just listening to some of the questions the jury was asking earlier was frightening.  There are some genuine clinical retards on that jury. 

4/9/13 11:54 AM
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Martinez could be doing a better job for sure, but anyone who thinks that she's doing a good job defending her "analysis" is as biased as she is. He's absolutely crushing her.

She's just so unwilling to admit that anything should ever be interpreted in favor of the man, which is how she came to her lopsided analysis in the first place. Every time she goes "Mr. Martinez, I don't know what you want me to say", she's really saying, "I know exactly what the logical conclusion is here, but it doesn't support Team Jodi so I ain't gonna say it."

I mean, she literally said:
"The only person I see who has a history of lying is Mr. Alexander"


4/9/13 1:02 PM
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Someone's already whining today and they haven't even started yet.  Are they going to call it off today?

4/9/13 1:03 PM
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ah, here they go. 

4/9/13 1:09 PM
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She knows jodi is guilty and juan's almost getting her to admit it.
4/9/13 1:11 PM
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Zwingli - She knows jodi is guilty and juan's almost getting her to admit it.

Well of course.  There's no question she killed him.  But again he's back to trying to twist her testimony by asking her to answer yes or no to questions that if answered in that manner would not accurately represent what she's testifying about.  

4/9/13 1:16 PM
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Zwingli - She knows jodi is guilty and juan's almost getting her to admit it.

Well of course.  There's no question she killed him.  But again he's back to trying to twist her testimony by asking her to answer yes or no to questions that if answered in that manner would not accurately represent what she's testifying about.  


guilty of premeditation, and it would be pretty bad for the defense if juan can get that out of her.
4/9/13 1:17 PM
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Ok, I'm changing my tune a bit. He asks her specific questions, she answers with vague generalities that have nothing to do with the case. Unless the judge finds her in contempt, which is possible (because every objection from Martinez is sustained), I have to say she's beating his line of questioning.
4/9/13 1:19 PM
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being an obtuse bitch again.
4/9/13 1:20 PM
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verdum - you always go too far AI, i think martinez is royally fucking this thing up too, he has good points mostly but the way he goes about it is just convoluted and gets inane.

but you saying that this woman is some genius running circles around him just makes you look foolish.

and that is probably why you get the vote downs that you seem so concerned about.

She's simply not playing his game and not letting him mischaracterize her testimony by asking yes or no questions that if answered that way would lead to mischaracterizations of what she actually said.  


Why do you take offense to this? and not when the Defense does the same exact thing. Its called framing. You frame a question to get a certain answer, you dont want their full statement. Why the hell would you want that...this isnt fact finding this is cross examination its all about destroying the witness. You really question the profession, any prosecutor would be doing this.
4/9/13 1:22 PM
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Rhymenoceros - Ok, I'm changing my tune a bit. He asks her specific questions, she answers with vague generalities that have nothing to do with the case. Unless the judge finds her in contempt, which is possible (because every objection from Martinez is sustained), I have to say she's beating his line of questioning.

Told ya.   And she's not going to be held in contempt for not answering martinez's questions with the answers he would like her to give.  

But again, his "specific" questions are designed to mischaracterize her testimony.  

Hell, now he's making shit up and claiming she said something she didn't.  He's desperately trying to mischaracterize what she's saying. 

4/9/13 1:23 PM
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verdum - you always go too far AI, i think martinez is royally fucking this thing up too, he has good points mostly but the way he goes about it is just convoluted and gets inane.

but you saying that this woman is some genius running circles around him just makes you look foolish.

and that is probably why you get the vote downs that you seem so concerned about.

She's simply not playing his game and not letting him mischaracterize her testimony by asking yes or no questions that if answered that way would lead to mischaracterizations of what she actually said.  


Why do you take offense to this? and not when the Defense does the same exact thing. Its called framing. You frame a question to get a certain answer, you dont want their full statement. Why the hell would you want that...this isnt fact finding this is cross examination its all about destroying the witness. You really question the profession, any prosecutor would be doing this.

Sure, that's fine.  Has nothing to do with what I'm saying which is that she's not having any of it and is handing him his ass on a platter and making him look like a jackass, at least for now. 

4/9/13 1:25 PM
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does this line of questioning imply jodis dad will be put on the stand?
4/9/13 1:27 PM
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Once again, Juan Martinez is going to own this witness.
4/9/13 1:28 PM
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Ruthless Rye - Once again, Juan Martinez is going to own this witness.

When it happens, I'll let you know.  So far it hasn't happened. 

4/9/13 1:28 PM
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Zwingli - does this line of questioning imply jodis dad will be put on the stand?

That would be something. 

4/9/13 1:29 PM
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Zwingli - does this line of questioning imply jodis dad will be put on the stand?

No, however, Juan is going to try to play that interview in court. Especially on how Laviolette answers.
4/9/13 1:29 PM
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Jury back in the jury room.  Now what?

4/9/13 1:30 PM
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If Martinez can get the parents on the stand saying jodi has always been weird and she need help because she's bi-polar,that would be a final nail for this case.
4/9/13 1:31 PM
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Ruthless Rye - Once again, Juan Martinez is going to own this witness.

When it happens, I'll let you know.  So far it hasn't happened. 


You do not need to tell me anything, buddy. I am so far ahead of you, it is not even funny.
4/9/13 1:31 PM
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Zwingli - does this line of questioning imply jodis dad will be put on the stand?

No, however, Juan is going to try to play that interview in court. Especially on how Laviolette answers.

Ok. you're correct.
4/9/13 1:32 PM
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angryinch - 
Ruthless Rye - Once again, Juan Martinez is going to own this witness.

When it happens, I'll let you know.  So far it hasn't happened. 


You do not need to tell me anything, buddy. I am so far ahead of you, it is not even funny.

Whatever makes you feel better to believe.....

4/9/13 1:32 PM
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angryinch - 
Rhymenoceros - Ok, I'm changing my tune a bit. He asks her specific questions, she answers with vague generalities that have nothing to do with the case. Unless the judge finds her in contempt, which is possible (because every objection from Martinez is sustained), I have to say she's beating his line of questioning.

Told ya.   And she's not going to be held in contempt for not answering martinez's questions with the answers he would like her to give.  

But again, his "specific" questions are designed to mischaracterize her testimony.  

Hell, now he's making shit up and claiming she said something she didn't.  He's desperately trying to mischaracterize what she's saying. 


Yeah, I don't think she will be held in contempt, but you have to see that the Judge is sustaining nearly all of his "non responsive" objections.

I'm sure some jurors think she's being obtuse, but I'm also sure plenty see her "perfectly calm, dude" while he gets frustrated. That's not good for him.
4/9/13 1:35 PM
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Rhymenoceros - 
angryinch - 
Rhymenoceros - Ok, I'm changing my tune a bit. He asks her specific questions, she answers with vague generalities that have nothing to do with the case. Unless the judge finds her in contempt, which is possible (because every objection from Martinez is sustained), I have to say she's beating his line of questioning.

Told ya.   And she's not going to be held in contempt for not answering martinez's questions with the answers he would like her to give.  

But again, his "specific" questions are designed to mischaracterize her testimony.  

Hell, now he's making shit up and claiming she said something she didn't.  He's desperately trying to mischaracterize what she's saying. 


Yeah, I don't think she will be held in contempt, but you have to see that the Judge is sustaining nearly all of his "non responsive" objections.

I'm sure some jurors think she's being obtuse, but I'm also sure plenty see her "perfectly calm, dude" while he gets frustrated. That's not good for him.

She's not sustaining all of them.  As a matter of fact, half the time he tells him to ask another question rather than admonishing her to answer.  The lady has already explained, and quite correctly, that the "yes or no" questions he's asking her cannot be answered with a yes or no without mischaracterizing what she has previously said.  I think the judge and everyone else realizes that.  


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