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1/27/13 4:02 PM
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Reem's striking in mma is pretty awful imo from a technical perspective-- very stiff, no head movement, poor footwork, relies on his newfound size. And anyone who knows anything knows that his gp win had a LOT to do w injured and old opponents Phone Post
1/27/13 4:48 PM
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1/27/13 4:57 PM
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

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I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA

1/27/13 4:58 PM
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

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I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA


Maybe on pure/orthodox technique but def not in result/effectiveness.

Can you imagine Andy not finishing Jardine?
1/27/13 5:13 PM
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Reem fought Spong in the GP. He wasn't injured or old. Phone Post
1/27/13 5:23 PM
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

Came here to post this.

I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA


Maybe on pure/orthodox technique but def not in result/effectiveness.

Can you imagine Andy not finishing Jardine?

Awww, come on bro. Mousasi could have finished Jardine at any point in that match, his head just wasn't in that fight.

Even Anderson slacked off against Leites and Maia when he was having motivation issues. Both of them are so good that they can hold back and still cruise through fights without even using half of their ability.

1/27/13 5:41 PM
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whoabro -  Reem's striking in mma is pretty awful imo from a technical perspective-- very stiff, no head movement, poor footwork, relies on his newfound size. And anyone who knows anything knows that his gp win had a LOT to do w injured and old opponents Phone Post

While i would agree Overeem is not that technical and relies too much on his size, i do think he doesnt get enough credit for his K-1 career

I can buy that he got the lucky draw in the GP. But he also beat Aerts in a super fight, a few months before that Aerts had just beaten Semmy Schilt who was almost invincible at the time. Then of course he went 1-1 against Badr Hari and lost a close decision to Remy Bonjasky. At worst one can say he was a top K-1 fighter but not the best K-1 fighter

And i dont see why he gets singled out for being lucky in the GP. Ernesto Hoost won a GP after being KTFO in the opening round, then he gets the alternate spot and fights Ray Sefo in the semis who injures his shin early in a freak accident. That leaves Hoost in the finale after a combined 5 minutes total in the ring against Lebanner who had just finished a 3 round war against Mark Hunt

Or how about Bonjasky who won a GP by beating Cyril Abidi and Musashi.


Sorry orcus for thread highjack lol
1/27/13 5:41 PM
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

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I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA


What are his best standup displays in MMA, and who were the best strikers he stood with in MMA?

1/27/13 5:47 PM
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1/27/13 6:00 PM
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

Came here to post this.

I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA


What are his best standup displays in MMA, and who were the best strikers he stood with in MMA?


You already know the answer to this question. I'm sure that you've googled his record on numerous occasions.

1/27/13 6:54 PM
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Off top of my head - obviously sponge and manhoef.

I personally like Manuwa, swanson, njokuani, Pettis Phone Post
1/27/13 7:07 PM
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

Came here to post this.

I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA


What are his best standup displays in MMA, and who were the best strikers he stood with in MMA?


Well he beat the shit out of Mushasi and Kyotaro in straight K-1 matches so his standup has to be pretty good right?

In MMA...
1/27/13 7:10 PM
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liquidrob - Mousasi still never dropped standing or outstruck

Came here to post this.

I dare to say that he has the best pure boxing skill in all of MMA


What are his best standup displays in MMA, and who were the best strikers he stood with in MMA?


You already know the answer to this question. I'm sure that you've googled his record on numerous occasions.


Just begs the question....if you are to be considered an elite anything in MMA, you have to justify it with the results.

Moussasi is undoubtedly, in technique one of the best strikers in MMA but he still doesnt have the elite wins to justify it.

There is a diff to having world class technique and world class victories in comp to back it up. I think it will come but at this point, i dont think he has.
1/27/13 7:12 PM
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LOL that is just terrible from Bader, running straight at MAchida was really going to work
1/27/13 7:17 PM
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Jimmy Rustler - 

anderson

aldo

arlovski

 


Arlovski has good technique but we know that his chin isnt good but that's more a physical disadvantage but his defense isnt that good either and neither is his composure. He lost to Fedor and Timmeh in the rematch or rubber because he got over excited.
1/27/13 7:27 PM
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There's absolutely no point in arguing with the OP if you try to give any credit to the STRIKING ONLY LEAGUE K1 fighters 

 

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=1831888

 

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=657072

 

Anderson

Overeem

Pettis

Manhoef

 

1/27/13 7:43 PM
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Anderson 

Pettis

Aldo

 

2nd tier

Machida - Not as creative as above - more predictable  No disrespect at all just my opinion

Barboza - Soon elite tier imo

Manhoef - Technique + power - best left hook in the sport imo

Overeem -  Power + technique 

1/27/13 7:57 PM
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From another thread:

Jack Slack

mma shill -  First let me say, I love your articles and I hope you keep them coming. Since reading your articles, I've realized that I don't have a very good understanding of striking at all in mma. I thought the Diaz bros and BJ Penn were some of the best strikers in mma until you pointed out many of their flaws. Now it seems like every mma fighter is a bad striker that doesn't even understand the basics. I'm wondering who you think are the top five best strikers in mma and why?

I'm always reluctant to name the top strikers in MMA because everyone makes mistakes and errors. That's not just in MMA but in the highest levels of professional boxing and bjj. Nobody achieves perfection.

It's impossible to stay disciplined all the time, the greats are the ones who can stay discplined the longest. I consider Manny Pacquiao one of the most technically disciplined boxers of all time - in, moves his head, exits on an angle. But just the other day Marquez was able to catch him getting wild.

In truth there is a great deal of underemphasis on angling, handfighting and the actual science of striking in a lot of top level camps even in boxing and kickboxing. Fighting tends to be approached in a combinations and cover up way, with an emphasis on power and conditioning rather than science.

 

I suppose the criteria for best MMA striker from a scientific standpoint would be based in discipline and versatility. Guys who can adapt their style against anyone: like AS, GSP, Fedor when he was fighting. There's very few guys who can adapt their striking style to the opponent.

The next tier down would be guys who have a pretty samey striking game in every fight but still execute it flawlessly - like JDS, Aldo etc.

Then there's the guys who do the same thing in every fight but have had their flaws exposed already but can beat MOST guys with their A game like Belfort, Penn the Diaz brothers.

1/27/13 8:23 PM
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Machida, Cruz and Overeem r right below the guys you named originally.

I'd put barbosa at the top too Phone Post
1/27/13 8:23 PM
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Pro Ice - 

Anderson 

Pettis

Aldo

 

2nd tier

Machida - Not as creative as above - more predictable  No disrespect at all just my opinion

Barboza - Soon elite tier imo

Manhoef - Technique + power - best left hook in the sport imo

Overeem -  Power + technique 


Machida is more creative than Aldo

1/27/13 8:31 PM
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Malaipet (sp) is or Was An MMA fighter. Phone Post
1/27/13 8:41 PM
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legkicktotehhead - Also, OP is wrong. Machida was handily out striking Jones through out the first round. Machida was winning the fight. The momentum of the fight dramitically changed when Jones took Machoda down and cut him with an elbow. Blood started getting into Machida's eyes. He couldn't see the akward punch from Jones that dropped him. Also, if you look at the exchange. Both threw and landed at the same time but Machida hit Jones on the neck while Jones hit him on the chin. Jones height and reach were the sole factors in that exchange

Before the Op defends himself, let me ask you this question. In the Jon Jones Lyoto Machida fight, which one was dropped via a strike?

 

hint http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=1921548

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I'd be okay with adding Jon Jones to the elite strikers list.

 

Flying knee on Shogun

Spinning elbows against everyone

Dropped Lyoto Machida

Dropped Vitor Belfort with a side kick to the body

Add his viscious elbows on the ground, he's pretty fiercesome

 

 

 

1/27/13 8:48 PM
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1/27/13 8:49 PM
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D241 -  Rewatching the fight, and this is actually pretty interesting regarding his stances and how he changes it up.

Starts out the fight in neither orthodox or southpaw, but instead comes out in monkey crawl stance.

He pressed forward in an southpaw stance, throws one linear knee kick with his back leg, in this case his left.

Then Jon Jones switches his stance to orthodox where his lead leg is his left. Matt Hughes wrestled in southpaw stance, but was an orthodox fighter. So Jones is in orthodox stance,(wrestling), and he then shot in for a takedown. 

Round 2 Jones comes out in southpaw stance. Backs up Vitor to the cage, Vitor circles, Jones switches back to orthodox.  Jones circles to keep Vitor on the cage, Jones changes to southpaw, stance, then throws a left knee kick again.

Then Jones is in orthodox stance again, this time he strikes in this stance, mixing up punches and a couple kicks to the knee.(it's really amazing how suddle he is, i can't believe nobody else has mentioned this yet-Jack Slack where are you?)


Jones switches Back to southpaw, to throw his spinning left elbow strike.
Jones goes back to orthodox, Vitor presses the fight by throwing strikes putting Jones in defense mode-nothing lands clean. Still in orthodx, Jones throws a right high kick. Jones still in orthodox, throws multiple kicks to vitors knee, with Jones' left leg.

Still in rd 2, Jones briefly switches to southpaw, throws some more kicks to Vitor's knee, mostly with Jones' left leg. Rd 2 Jones switches from orthodox to southpaw briefly a couple times, but Jones quickly goes back to orthodox.
 


 
D241 -  3rd round-comes out orthodox, switches to southpaw, then throws a left kick, switches Back to orthodox, throws some strikes...

Switches again to sp, throws some strikes. Throws a superman punch from Sp, misses, switches back to orthodox(I am not seeing any type of patter or habit whatsoever, this kid is Fucking Amazing)

Still in orthodox stance, Jones throws a stepping left sidekick to the body, dropping Vitor. Axe kick is also with his left.

Jon lets Vitor up, assumes orthadox stance again. Throws some feints, doesn't commit to anything. Switches to Sp and immediately throws a spinning backkick with his left foot that misses. Vitor presses forward, Jones in orthodox backing up. Feints by both, they clinch, Vitor pulls guard.

Round 4-Comes out orthodox, throws some feints. Throws a right high head kick that misses(still in orthodox stance). They clinch, Vitor pulls guard, Jones gets position and ends fight with a keylock.
 
Pretty basic stuff huh legkicktothehead

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