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1/29/13 11:43 AM
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I am surprised there has not been a thread on this in the GG. Amazing books and television series. Surely there are some hard core fans amongst the comic brethren?
1/29/13 12:05 PM
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Game of Thrones?  A Song of Fire and Ice?

Never heard of it.

 

 

1/29/13 12:13 PM
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Lady Stark for Secretary of State ( http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/01/28/catelyn-stark-for-secretary-of-state/ )

Dear President Barack H. Obama, The Second of His Name, King of the Anglos, Lord of the Fifty States, Protector of the Realm:

Congratulations on your recent reelection and inauguration to a second term as President of the United States.  Great challenges await you and your new administration, many of which are emanating from foreign lands requiring someone of honor and experience to serve as your advisor and emissary.   It is that need which compels me to write to you and put forth the name of Catelyn Stark to serve as your Secretary of State.   Lady Stark possesses the personal qualities and demonstrates the experience necessary to represent you in this prestigious position as supreme diplomat for the realm.

It is known throughout the lands that your original favor fell to Lady Susan Rice but was scuttled by Bannermen loyal to Lord McConnell.  Consider that Lady Stark would fulfill your original intent by following in the footsteps of esteemed Lady Secretaries of State such as Madeleine Albright and Hillary Clinton.

Now far be it from me to denigrate the honor of your newest choice, John Kerry.  Indeed Lord Kerry served valiantly in the Vietnam War; however it must be said that he was notably absent from Robert’s Rebellion which liberated Westeros from the dictator Aerys II.  And though Lord Kerry’s tenure on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee has been lengthy, one must wonder why he has failed to secure a position on the King’s Small Council.

Lady Catelyn Stark is inarguably a superior candidate for Secretary of State.   She is a highborn Lady of the Riverlands and lives the motto of her house: Family, Duty, Honor; coveted principles all for any of your high counselors.  While many high lords only talk of family values, Lady Stark takes action as she did with her young son when protecting his mind from viewing an execution, nurturing his spirit after he was crippled from a fall, and shielding his body from an assassin’s blade.  A commitment to duty also guides Catelyn Stark.  For the good of the realm, she abandoned her misgivings about her husband’s appointment to Hand, left her youngest sons to warn of a foreign plot, and attended to urgent matters of war and peace rather than be with her own dying father.  Her honor is a thread that weaves through her every thought and deed, and she is a woman who takes her vows and those of others as a sacred pledge to the living, to the old gods, and to the new.  A woman whose very purpose is family, duty, and honor would make an exceptional Secretary of State.

Beyond her admirable character, Catelyn Stark has the experience required to serve as Secretary of State.  The principal role of one granted this venerable position in our government is to be an advisor on foreign matters.  Additionally, the Secretary serves as an ambassador to external powers, and takes part in high ranking negotiations to forge agreements and treaties.  Obviously, such tasks require a not insignificant amount of travel, to which Lady Stark, having been raised in the Riverlands, resided in Winterfell, and relocated to King’s Landing, is no stranger.

On one such trip, Catelyn Stark demonstrated quick strategic thinking, the rallying of allies and the kind of use of smart power advocated by Lady Clinton.  Whilst pausing from her travel at the Inn at the Crossroads, Lady Stark encountered a known member of the Lannister leadership.  By appealing to family and cultural familiarities, she immediately summoned the loyalty of local swordsmen to seize Tyrion Lannister.  Though she could have ordered his execution, she instead relied on extraordinary rendition — a tempered response that respected due process and the King’s Justice.  Additionally, she disseminated misinformation to lead hostile forces astray so as to avoid confrontation while transporting her prisoner.  Such clever use of stealth, coordination of allies, and decisive but measured action would have made Lady Stark another valued team member during your glorious night time raid on Abbottabad.

Now further contemplate the experience Lady Stark has as an advisor.  She has provided wise counsel to and had influence on the Hand of the King, and is a key confidant of her eldest son Robb, the King in the North.  Furthermore, she has long been serving as an ambassador, in deeds if not in name.   Evaluate, if you will, her brave pilgrimage to secure a peace with Lord Renly Baratheon.  Assuming the role purely out of duty, she traveled to Lord Renly’s camp in foreign lands and declared, “I come as envoy from my son, Robb Stark, the King in the North, to treat with Renly”.   Through forceful yet wise words, her reason won over Lord Renly and an alliance was established — precisely the duties of Secretary of State.

But her determination and skills at negotiation have extended to other parts of the realm.  I speak of the Twins, a crossing controlled by a man, Walder Frey, of little honor and even less allegiance, yet required for the army of Robb Stark to attack the Lannister host.   Though use of force was briefly considered, Catelyn Stark, at considerable personal risk, volunteered to directly approach Walder Frey and negotiate for safe passage.  After suppressing her disgust at his lechery and disloyalty, Lady Stark ascertained what is of value to him and struck an agreement that secured the crossing so indispensible for the planned military strike.  Again Catelyn Stark ventured forth to insist on a high level meeting with a semi-hostile power, and through pure diplomacy and compromise, achieved her foreign policy goals.  With Lady Stark representing you as Secretary of State, our drones will be free to roam the air-space of friend and foe alike.

Perhaps her most ambitious efforts that further establish her unparalleled credentials, involved coordinating yet another meeting between rival foreign leaders to negotiate a treaty- Catelyn Stark’s attempt to broker peace between Stannis Baratheon and Renly Baratheon.   At this parley, which Lady Stark convinced Lord Renly to attend,  she appealed to the brothers to recognize their common heritage, minimized the difference between their gods, and most compellingly, she declared “We three share a common foe who would destroy us all.”  Lady Stark’s tenacity and ability to align interests would make her a valuable asset in the most difficult Middle East negotiations.

Even after this meeting, Catelyn Stark made a final plea to Lord Renly to join with Stannis to publicize Lannister crimes and hold free and fair elections among the Lords of Westeros.   Perhaps this last proposal would have succeeded were it not for the horrific assassination of Lord Renly Baratheon by forces as yet unknown (I am aware that the little birds of the CIA have implicated Iran).

In a world that is dark and full or terrors, we need a woman’s courage.  So please Mr. President, The Second of His Name, King of the Anglos, Lord of the Fifty States, Protector of the Realm, consider the personal integrity, the mettle, and the vast diplomatic experience exhibited by Lady Catelyn Stark and nominate her to be the next Secretary of State.

Sincerely,

Jonathan R. Meyers, The First of His Name, Citizen of the Fifty States, Contributor to HBOWatch

1/29/13 12:20 PM
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The first book is a masterpiece. Unfortunately, he hasn't been able to keep up that level of writing. The last book was utter shit, and the one before it was mediocre.

AFAIK, the series was supposed to be shorter than it is now planned to be, and anytime they chase the money like that, you get shit product. (See Wheel of Time books 7-11)

I hear the show is great but I keep telling my friends that they will get no resolution, so don't get too invested. Are you guys who watch it worried about that? Or do you think they will cobble something together when he chokes to death on a mixture of righteous self satisfaction and lard?
1/29/13 12:29 PM
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The second book was better than the first and so far the third is better still. So not sure what you are even going on about to be honest. Everything George Martin has said is that it was always going to be a long series and he was wrote four books of that length before the tv show even debuted.
1/29/13 12:39 PM
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You are the first person I've ever seen saying that any book in the series is better than, or even as good as, the first. My mind is boggled that you think the series gets progressively better, though I did enjoy 2, and 3, they aren't as good as 1, and just wait til you get to 4 and 5. Very curious to see your opinion of them.

I just checked, and it was a planned trilogy, but then he decided on two trilogies.
1/29/13 12:39 PM
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You are the first person I've ever seen saying that any book in the series is better than, or even as good as, the first. My mind is boggled that you think the series gets progressively better, though I did enjoy 2, and 3, they aren't as good as 1, and just wait til you get to 4 and 5. Very curious to see your opinion of them.

I just checked, and it was a planned trilogy, but then he decided on two trilogies.
1/29/13 1:56 PM
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Lymond - You are the first person I've ever seen saying that any book in the series is better than, or even as good as, the first. My mind is boggled that you think the series gets progressively better, though I did enjoy 2, and 3, they aren't as good as 1, and just wait til you get to 4 and 5. Very curious to see your opinion of them.

I just checked, and it was a planned trilogy, but then he decided on two trilogies.

You are off the mark here, I think. Everyone diehard fan I know thinks the third, ASoS, is by far the best. Personally, I rank them 3 > 1 > 4 > 2 > 5.

 

And BigWilliam, I think most of the GG are fans. I've been reading it since it came out in 1996 or so, probably read the series 6 or 7 times through at this point. Great series, though the last book was weaaaaaaaaaaaak.

1/29/13 2:05 PM
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Lymond - You are the first person I've ever seen saying that any book in the series is better than, or even as good as, the first. My mind is boggled that you think the series gets progressively better, though I did enjoy 2, and 3, they aren't as good as 1, and just wait til you get to 4 and 5. Very curious to see your opinion of them.

I just checked, and it was a planned trilogy, but then he decided on two trilogies.

You are off the mark here, I think. Everyone diehard fan I know thinks the third, ASoS, is by far the best. Personally, I rank them 3 > 1 > 4 > 2 > 5.

 

And BigWilliam, I think most of the GG are fans. I've been reading it since it came out in 1996 or so, probably read the series 6 or 7 times through at this point. Great series, though the last book was weaaaaaaaaaaaak.


Very strange, only one of my close friends loves the series, while a few others have given it a shot, and our opinions are pretty much the same. Apparently we're in the minority, but I'm still very surprised to see you guys place 1 in any place but first. I loved that damn book so much, it was pretty much perfect, imo, hence my current GRRM directed anger.
1/29/13 2:25 PM
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I also loved 1, but I think the action in 3 (won't spoil anything since William isn't there yet) is what makes a lot of people place it above 1. 1 was steller for creating the world but it did take a while to pick up, whereas 3 is just balls to the wall fury.

Either way, I was happy with the first 4, but I'm also angry at GRRM for what happened in 5

1/29/13 2:34 PM
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Thanks for avoiding spoilers.

Lymond don't get me wrong, the first book was GREAT. But I thought the 2nd was as well and really liked a lot of the development that took place there. My friend who is finishing the fourth ranks the third as his favorite book of all time.
1/29/13 2:39 PM
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You guys are making me want to do a reread to see if my opinion changes. I have too many books to read already thanks to the kindle daily deal. *shakes fist
1/29/13 2:42 PM
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BigWilliam - Thanks for avoiding spoilers.

Lymond don't get me wrong, the first book was GREAT. But I thought the 2nd was as well and really liked a lot of the development that took place there. My friend who is finishing the fourth ranks the third as his favorite book of all time.

The second is excellent but it focused more on a few characters/storylines I was not as interested in, in hindsight

The third is more sprawling which I enjoyed

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Lymond - You are the first person I've ever seen saying that any book in the series is better than, or even as good as, the first. My mind is boggled that you think the series gets progressively better, though I did enjoy 2, and 3, they aren't as good as 1, and just wait til you get to 4 and 5. Very curious to see your opinion of them.

I just checked, and it was a planned trilogy, but then he decided on two trilogies.

You're the first person I've seen that doesn't think the Third is the best book of the series.

The last couple weren't terrible, some of the storylines were very good, I think people were just reluctant to see their favorite characters take the back seat for a little bit.

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I started an ASOIAF thread on the OG for fan theories. It's like 30 something pages long and I think a bunch of OGers contributed so it's a long but good read. Extremely spoiler heavy, but some cool stuff in there for people that are done but don't want to just forget about it til the next comes out.

1/30/13 2:11 AM
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I just went on a watch-a-thon over the last 2 days and watched seasons 1 &2 of the show.

 

Its pretty good but I didnt think it was very special. im a fan and will continue following the show but i became a bit concerned that the director is the guy working on the new thor. Its got a great feel and he has some choice shots but i dont think he the grand scope for a Thor film. Especially following up on how grandiose the first Thor was. im still optimistic but yeah. 

  

 

1/30/13 2:16 AM
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Back to the show, 

 

how close does the show follow the books? It seems that there are several books, how far along in the story is the show? 

 

im really looking forward to more supernatural stuff to happen. 

1/30/13 7:33 AM
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I love the tv series I havent read the books. Phone Post
1/30/13 9:11 AM
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Each of the first seasons follow the first two books. Season three is about half of the third book. There are currently five books in print with I think two more coming.

The first two seasons are very true to the books. There are some changes for time reasons, some characters are not there but their story points are given to others. But the major characters are translated very well and the story is the same.
1/30/13 10:43 AM
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MarkRobinson -

I just went on a watch-a-thon over the last 2 days and watched seasons 1 &2 of the show.

 

Its pretty good but I didnt think it was very special. im a fan and will continue following the show but i became a bit concerned that the director is the guy working on the new thor. Its got a great feel and he has some choice shots but i dont think he the grand scope for a Thor film. Especially following up on how grandiose the first Thor was. im still optimistic but yeah. 

  

 

Which director? They have different directors for different episodes I think Phone Post
1/30/13 10:49 AM
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Lymond - You are the first person I've ever seen saying that any book in the series is better than, or even as good as, the first. My mind is boggled that you think the series gets progressively better, though I did enjoy 2, and 3, they aren't as good as 1, and just wait til you get to 4 and 5. Very curious to see your opinion of them.

I just checked, and it was a planned trilogy, but then he decided on two trilogies.

You are off the mark here, I think. Everyone diehard fan I know thinks the third, ASoS, is by far the best. Personally, I rank them 3 > 1 > 4 > 2 > 5.

 

And BigWilliam, I think most of the GG are fans. I've been reading it since it came out in 1996 or so, probably read the series 6 or 7 times through at this point. Great series, though the last book was weaaaaaaaaaaaak.

I have it as 3-5-2-1-4.

I loved all the twists in adod but nothing beats the last 200 pages of asos Phone Post
1/30/13 11:02 AM
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I haven't read 5 yet, I rather liked the 2nd the best. Probably because I like Jaqen H'Ghar.

When Arya gets done with the Faceless Men, she will take the Starks revenge.
1/30/13 11:09 AM
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So much for a lack of spoilers. At least that was one I already knew.
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I love the show, haven't read the books but love spoiling stuff for myself online. I got a question regarding who or what the Azor Ahai is? I've read a bunch of theories anyone have any ideas?
1/30/13 12:10 PM
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NCar - I love the show, haven't read the books but love spoiling stuff for myself online. I got a question regarding who or what the Azor Ahai is? I've read a bunch of theories anyone have any ideas?

John Snow IMO

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