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2/1/13 1:32 AM
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moonzy - Crazy stuff. That's why I don't post here very much. I thought this forum was about mma. Not so much about this business deal didn't work out this other one didn't either. Well my friend said something and Randy has been divorced twice. Who really gives a shit about his personal life? As long as he isn't breaking any laws or hurting people than get over it and work on bettering yourself.

He must have wanted us to care about his personal life or he wouldn't have penned a book about it and sold it to us on his book tour. It made cents to him so I doubt he would be surprised his customers are talking about it... I mean, you ARE a customer, right?;)

 

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2/1/13 1:42 AM
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moonzy - Crazy stuff. That's why I don't post here very much. I thought this forum was about mma. Not so much about this business deal didn't work out this other one didn't either. Well my friend said something and Randy has been divorced twice. Who really gives a shit about his personal life? As long as he isn't breaking any laws or hurting people than get over it and work on bettering yourself.

Yeah let's shit on friends and business partners. It's okay because this is a MMA forum, who should care about shit like that right? 


RVD, it is perfectly OK to walk out on your wife while she is preganat with your child. Don't you unnastan that???

Its also OK to 'out' the girl you knocked up while you were cheating on your first wife, even though she had an abortion. You simply cannot leave out juicy details like that one if you want to make the best-seller list=) And I'm sure alllll of her friends and family already knew Randy had humped and dumped her about 30 years before he told the rest of us via such a gripping page-turner, so I doubt it came as any surprise or embarrassment to her.

 

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2/1/13 2:16 AM
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Cindy, your fighter-bashing is deplorable. Couture and Rampage are champions who fought for 14 years as fan favorites. I wish them well.

An mma hall of fame would be almost entirely comprised of fighters who have had public falling outs with DFW. DFW is an unprofessional scumbag who is bad for the sport.
2/1/13 3:19 AM
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Koga - Cindy, your fighter-bashing is deplorable. Couture and Rampage are champions who fought for 14 years as fan favorites. I wish them well.

An mma hall of fame would be almost entirely comprised of fighters who have had public falling outs with DFW. DFW is an unprofessional scumbag who is bad for the sport.
Koga... You almost made a valid argument... And then you descended in to a slurry of your own turd. Shooshie... Shhhh.... You shooshie. Phone Post
2/1/13 3:31 AM
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Koga - Cindy, your fighter-bashing is deplorable. Couture and Rampage are champions who fought for 14 years as fan favorites. I wish them well.

An mma hall of fame would be almost entirely comprised of fighters who have had public falling outs with DFW. DFW is an unprofessional scumbag who is bad for the sport.

Have I said anything that's untrue? And I have felt this way about both guys even when DW loved them (and I posted neg then, too) so I'm not sure what your point is.

 

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2/1/13 3:42 AM
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1800champagne - Living his life however the fuck he pleases. Good for him. Phone Post
This.
Honestly I would have thought the ufc commentary he was doing would have been better. But hey it doesn't change the fighter he was. If I was blaf from a business standpoint I would be annoyed though. They did a lot for him on his tail end of his career. Phone Post
2/1/13 5:01 AM
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Couture should be commended for writing an honest autobiography. DFW is such a douche that his own mother wrote a book about it.

Diggity, if you had one word to describe DFW's relationship over the years with Royce, Frank Shamrock, Ken Shamrock, BJ Penn, Couture, Tito, Fedor, Anderson Silva, Barnett and Hendo, would that word be "bad", "unprofessional", "good" or "professional"?
2/1/13 8:46 AM
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CindyO -
moonzy - Crazy stuff. That's why I don't post here very much. I thought this forum was about mma. Not so much about this business deal didn't work out this other one didn't either. Well my friend said something and Randy has been divorced twice. Who really gives a shit about his personal life? As long as he isn't breaking any laws or hurting people than get over it and work on bettering yourself.

He must have wanted us to care about his personal life or he wouldn't have penned a book about it and sold it to us on his book tour. It made cents to him so I doubt he would be surprised his customers are talking about it... I mean, you ARE a customer, right?;)

 

Cindy

The UFC forced the book deal.

Look, no one was clamoring for a Tito book, Chuck book, Hughes book or Randy book but we got them ALL.

All are in bargain bins.

The books were just like WWE with their ghostwritten books.

The book deals were to benefit the UFC not tell the fighter's stories to a world desperately waiting to hear of Hughes brothers killing pigs or Randy getting divorced.

Cindy, do you really believe these fighters inked deals individually AND wrote their own books?

I hope not. Phone Post
2/1/13 8:51 AM
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As for Randy?

We all should wish we were as driven and could be as "selfish".

No one will ever give you anything unless it benefits them to do so.

The UFC gave Randy only that which would benefit them tenfold AS THEY SHOULD.

Randy did the right thing in looking out for his own future rather than waiting for someone to take care of it for him and offer him a phony executive job a la Liddell and Hughes.

Chuck and Matt are figureheads to be trotted out at fan fests and not really executives making real decisions for the company.

Their hiring essentially keeps an upstart from inking them as faces or commentators so as to not lend legitimacy in the eyes of fans.

Which is what Bellator gets from Randy.

Randy gets Viacom deals and he chose the one hand washes the other world rather than waiting for the UFC to pat him on the back. Phone Post
2/1/13 9:23 AM
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Koga - Cindy, your fighter-bashing is deplorable. Couture and Rampage are champions who fought for 14 years as fan favorites. I wish them well.

An mma hall of fame would be almost entirely comprised of fighters who have had public falling outs with DFW. DFW is an unprofessional scumbag who is bad for the sport.
She's not fighter bashing as much as person bashing (if anything). I see no problem with stating FACTS about someone. How is that bashing? That's like saying it's fighter bashing to say Nick Diaz is a stoner. He is a self proclaimed stoner, just like what people have been saying what Randy did came from his own mouth/actions. Phone Post
2/1/13 9:38 AM
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I KNOW THE TRUTH - I've known Rico Chiperelli since the 80's and the dude is a fucking scumbag. I have heard Couture is a cool dude but if you do biz with him he will step on you and fuck your gf/wife at the same time. As far as Rico Chiperelli: Like I said he's a stuck up asshole who won't give you the time of day if you aren't cool/famous.


I don't know Rico personnally but I've met and chatted with him a few times. I'm not cool/famous, and he seemed down to earth to me. Also, he had nothing but good things to say about Randy, so I don't think there is bad blood between those two. But who gives a shit. Rico had insane unorthodox grappling game in his day, and that I can appreciate. Check out his match against Melvin Douglas.


http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/235032-Throwback-Thursdays/video/226317-167-Melvin-Douglas-Oklahoma-vs-Rico-Chiapparelli-Iowa-1983-Oklahoma-Iowa-dual


I've also had a few interactions with Randy, both before and after the UFC went bigtime. At the grand opening of the movie "Fighter," the theatre was almost empty. After the show, Randy was just standing around chatting - same thing at Rico's Xmission event. Randy seemed cool and geniounly appreciative that he had fans in the early days. After the UFC got big, I went to an event, and Randy was a rude prick.
2/1/13 3:46 PM
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"I'm angry because a fighter I don't personally know has chosen not to work for a company I don't work for!"

This.

He seems like kind of a shitty guy, but who cares? Not my problem. Phone Post
2/1/13 4:23 PM
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Brasco - He started MMA training with Rico Chiperelli back in the day and moved on and never looked back giving him no credit and moved onto superstatus in the UFC walking over anyone in his path whether it was divorcing his wife, building Team Couture with that other chick then leaving her...ect ect...now he screws the company that built his name and has done EVERYTHING for him and signed with the competition. Yes its a free country and business is business but this guy has no memory...

So your logic is that if someone helps you in any way you've got to stick by them and never better yourself or seek other experiences or opportunity in any way?

 

Handy was an independant contractor, he made the UFC a lot more dollars than they made him.

He is free to pursue whatever career choices he wants IMO, they don't owe eachother anything.


+1

Randy helped build the UFC brand and they helped him build his name. They went separate ways...he can do whatever he pleases.
2/1/13 4:45 PM
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I think all anyone is saying is that Randy isn't loyal to anyone but himself. He's free to be that way but other people are free to point it out. IMO it's a pretty shitty way to go through life but to each his own. I'm not comparing Randy to Lance Armstrong professionally but personality wise that is the way Lance has been described by many who knew him and dealt with him.

A lot of people are defending Randy for his adultry and divorces. It's his personal life so whatever I just think it's pretty funny how much differently people seem to react to someone posting about a cheating wife or girlfriend on the OG then they do Randy's issues.
2/1/13 4:51 PM
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Koga - Couture should be commended for writing an honest autobiography. DFW is such a douche that his own mother wrote a book about it.

Diggity, if you had one word to describe DFW's relationship over the years with Royce, Frank Shamrock, Ken Shamrock, BJ Penn, Couture, Tito, Fedor, Anderson Silva, Barnett and Hendo, would that word be "bad", "unprofessional", "good" or "professional"?
I would use the word 'tumultuous' and I would think if the phrase 'mutually beneficial' and I would know from experience that building a business and a brand is xtremely (see what I did there) difficult and that people are always the most difficult part of any business to manage.
From what I've heard, from people who know better than I do, randy is not a nice guy and also lacks integrity. There are however 2 sides to every story so I reserve my irrelevant judgement. I was surprised to hear of his move to spike and it did smell bad to me, that being said, I don't think it's a good move for either party and will end badly. I like Dana, I think he's done a good job in a difficult situation dealing with fighters, scummy agents (most sports agents are pretty scummy, especially fighter agents) and various political and regulatory bodies.
To be honest, I just love the sport, I love that we have the ufc where all the best fighters fight each other and we get to see great fights.... And I think handy randy is probably not the kind of person is like to do business with.
Sorry for calling you a turd. Phone Post
2/1/13 6:01 PM
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CindyO -
moonzy - Crazy stuff. That's why I don't post here very much. I thought this forum was about mma. Not so much about this business deal didn't work out this other one didn't either. Well my friend said something and Randy has been divorced twice. Who really gives a shit about his personal life? As long as he isn't breaking any laws or hurting people than get over it and work on bettering yourself.

He must have wanted us to care about his personal life or he wouldn't have penned a book about it and sold it to us on his book tour. It made cents to him so I doubt he would be surprised his customers are talking about it... I mean, you ARE a customer, right?;)

 

Cindy

The UFC forced the book deal.

Look, no one was clamoring for a Tito book, Chuck book, Hughes book or Randy book but we got them ALL.

All are in bargain bins.

The books were just like WWE with their ghostwritten books.

The book deals were to benefit the UFC not tell the fighter's stories to a world desperately waiting to hear of Hughes brothers killing pigs or Randy getting divorced.

Cindy, do you really believe these fighters inked deals individually AND wrote their own books?

I hope not. Phone Post
The publishing companies were out to make money, not help the UFC grow Phone Post
2/1/13 6:09 PM
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You can always count on Cindy O to drop in for some casual character assassination any time Randy's name is mentioned, whether her remarks have anything to do with the OP or not. When she isn't on patrol for illicit mentions of Dana White's mother that is
2/1/13 6:21 PM
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smoogy - You can always count on Cindy O to drop in for some casual character assassination any time Randy's name is mentioned, whether her remarks have anything to do with the OP or not. When she isn't on patrol for illicit mentions of Dana White's mother that is

QFT

Last time I posted on a thread about Dana with Cindy involved I somehow got banned lol. No mention why or anything.

Regardless, they're both a couple of morons.
2/1/13 6:37 PM
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Randy sucks outside of the octagon. He's the last fighter I'd want to meet. Phone Post
2/1/13 11:44 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=799tjS3Lzms#t=1903s see 31:45

"Randy Couture is Captain America. One of the most humble, hard working, he is one of greatest people I've ever met." - DFW (when he was making money for his casino bosses from Randy Couture)
2/2/13 12:09 AM
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LEKS - Randy who? Phone Post
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2/2/13 2:00 AM
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Koga - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=799tjS3Lzms#t=1903s see 31:45

"Randy Couture is Captain America. One of the most humble, hard working, he is one of greatest people I've ever met." - DFW (when he was making money for his casino bosses from Randy Couture)

In a recent interview a reporter asked Dana about really knowing Randy's character. He said his true colors came out right after their court ordeal. I would say this vid predates all of that.
2/2/13 2:17 AM
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There should be some loyalty, Randy has zero from what I see; Dana is forthright and can hurt feelings but, he shouldn't have given him the shot back after the affliction screwup. He's too nice.

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