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2/3/13 2:05 AM
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The world heavyweight champion in boxing was universallly recognized from the Great John L. Sullivan in the late 1800s through Muhammad Ali in the 60s. During in the 70s determining who the champion was in the various weight classes started to get cloudy. So boxing fans invented the concept of the lineal champion.

In short, the lineal champ is the man who beat the man, going back to some universally recognized figure.

The dominance of the UFC has created a situation like that of the other major US sports -there is a single, univerally recognized league. Thus the need for the concept of a lineal champ is largely absent; still, it can be fun.

While the lineal champ can be subjective, with various authorities handling things like changing weight class or quality of opposition differently, the lineal champion in MMA appears to be Antonio 'Bigfoot' Silva, no matter how you slice it.

The first MMA heavyweight title was given to Mark Coleman after his submission victory over Dan Severn at UFC 12.

Mark Coleman [6-0] record before losing to:
Maurice Smith [4-7] at UFC 14.

Maurice Smith [6-7] record before losing to:
Randy Couture[3-0] at UFC 15.5.

Randy Couture [4-0] record before losing to:
Enson Inoue [8-3] at Vale Tudo Japan.

Enson Inoue [10-3] record before losing to:
Mark Kerr [11-0] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Mark Kerr [12-0] record before losing to:
Kazuyki Fujita [3-0] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Kazuyki Fujita [4-0] record before losing to:
Mark Coleman [9-4] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Mark Coleman [12-4] record before losing to:
Rodrigo Nogueira  [12-1] at PRIDE 16.

Rodrigo Nogueira [19-1] record before losing to:
Fedor Emelianenko [12-1] at Pride 25.

Fedor Emelianenko [31-1] record before losing to:
Fabrico Werdum [13-4] at Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum.

Fabrico Werdum [14-4] record before losing to:
Alistair Overeem [43-11] at Strikeforce: Overeem vs. Werdum.

Alistair Overeem [36-11-1] before losing to:
Antonio Silva at UFC 156: Aldo vs. Edar

One potentail area of dispute in determining a lineal champion is determining the original champion. If you consider Royce Gracie the original openweight champion because of tournament wins in UFC 1, the road still leads to Bigfoot.

Royce Gracie UFC 1 Champ. [8-0] record before losing to:
Harold Howard [1-0] via forfeit at UFC 3.

Harold Howard [2-0] record before losing to:
Steve Jennum [0-0] at UFC 3.

Steve Jennum [2-0] record before losing to:
Tank Abbott [2-1] at UU 95 - Ultimate Ultimate 1995.

Tank Abbott [3-1] record before losing to:
Dan Severn [6-2] at UU 95 - Ultimate Ultimate 1995.

Dan Severn [14-2] record before losing to:
Mark Coleman [5-0] at UFC 12.

And then, again, the road leads back to Alistair Overeem.

Even if you do not count Royce Gracie's loss to Harold Howard legit and follow his next loss to Sakuraba, you still get Overeem.

Royce Gracie UFC 1 Champ [11-1] record before losing to:
Sakuraba [8-1] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Sakuraba [9-1] record before losing to:
Igor Vovchanchyn [34-2] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Igor Vovchanchyn [35-2] record before losing to:
Mark Coleman [10-4] at PRIDE Grand Prix 2000.

Mark Coleman [12-4] record before losing to:
Rodrigo Nogueira [12-1] at PRIDE 16.

And once again, we find Bigfoot is the lineal champion.

The good news is MMA is not boxing. Boxing is a hot mess with a larger number of sanctioning bodies and champions and weight classes that any single person can remember. Like the NFL with American Football, or FIFA with Soccer, or the PGA with Golf, MMA has a single, dominant, universally recognized organizing body.

Bigfoot is unlikely get an immediate title shot, as he lost to now UFC heavyweight champion Can Velasquez less than a year ago. But now that he is in the sport's dominant league, before long the lineal and official champions will be united in MMA, and that is something for MMA fans to celebrate, and something boxing hasn't enjoyed since many uninterrupted generations of greatness ended in the 70s.

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Huge thanks to UGer RoyCisneros for his efforts in determining the lineal champion in MMA.

And lastly, yes, it is lineal, not linear.


2/3/13 2:07 AM
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I'm too dumb to follow that.  If you tell me he is then I'll believe it.

Wow.

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I just love that he's able to mount a comeback from 2 bad losses.

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Anderson Emelianenko GOAT - voted down
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Well you could say that, but it obviously isn't necessary.

There is 1 big org, and the only top heavyweight not signed by the ufc is barnett, who probably will be very soon if he hasn't already.

Bigfoot lost to Cain, the real champ just 2 fights ago.

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Jons Forsberg - I just love that he's able to mount a comeback from 2 bad losses.


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You've made a good case. Phone Post
2/3/13 2:37 AM
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No... Overeem had no torch to pass.
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If there wasn't the typical politics of business, the lineal idea in mmawould be awesome .

Of course cole konrad is the lineal champ of anything heavy............had he not retired Phone Post
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YourJesus - obviously no since you have to beat the 2 best ever to compete in mma: Anderson Silva and Jon Jones. Next question.

Thanks.

Your post doesn't make any sense.

Obviously Bigfoot is the lineal champion (but that doesn't mean anybody has to care).

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I don't dislike Bigfoot but it's going to take more than this to make me consider him a top 5 HW. After his performance against Cain, I don't think he will be ready for a shot until he dominates someone worthy of a title. He didn't look good at all until the 3rd round last night when he connected. If he came out like that in the 1st I would feel differently.

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LOL @ the UG blog trolling this hard.

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Coleman lost to the other Nogueira (Big Nog) you imbecile. Then Allistair lost to little Nog, Overeem never fought big Nog ur logic sucks moron
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Dr MMA - Coleman lost to the other Nogueira (Big Nog) you imbecile. Then Allistair lost to little Nog, Overeem never fought big Nog ur logic sucks moron

Who are you talking to? The OP is correct - Coleman lost to Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (Big Nog).

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gamer - Why are people voting this thread down again?


Ya I don't get the hate.
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gamer - Why are people voting this thread down again?


Ya I don't get the hate.

This.

It's 100% accurate and pretty interesting.
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Always liked linear champ stuff.
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Dr MMA - Coleman lost to the other Nogueira (Big Nog) you imbecile. Then Allistair lost to little Nog, Overeem never fought big Nog ur logic sucks moron

Who are you talking to? The OP is correct - Coleman lost to Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (Big Nog).


I am talking to myself, it's good sometimes , and there is nothing wrong with that!
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This lineal champ thing has always been interesting to me. All those who bring up when the people on the list lost outside of this chain are making mute points. It doesn't matter that Bigfoot lost to Cain a few fights back because Cain was not the lineal champ. Of course, the lineal champ is meaningless and holds no weight, but it is interesting that it can be traced and that we have a chance to see it finally come full circle and the current UFC champ become the lineal champ. Then, unless a UFC HW Champ drops the belt and leaves, the lineal champ will always be the UFC champ.

My two pennies.

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^^^^ only to go on a roid-induced fisting rampage
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to celebrate saturalia and the roid companies' decisive victory in the war on drugs

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