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2/4/13 5:29 PM
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Wait a sports idol turned out not to be a great person?
2/4/13 5:32 PM
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Dana HAS to be the biggest drama bitch ever in the history of sports lol.

"WAHHHH IT AIN'T GOING MY WAY!!!!"

Grow up dude. Good Lord.
2/4/13 5:38 PM
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Uchi - The automatic assumption about Dana's barring Randy from cornering fighters in the UFC is that it is a petty vendetta. While there are obvious personal feelings involved, I doubt that is the sole reason.

Bellator wanted Randy because of his name recognition and brand. He is a UFC HOFer, former champion, and actor. By allowing and likely showing Randy at a UFC event, they give him greater visibility and perhaps foster the impression he is still involved with the UFC. Why provide that to someone who is now a commodity of a rival promotion? Why give one iota of your brand power to someone looking to compete with you?

For those of you bleating on about keeping things professional, 'this is just business', etc. It seems to me that limiting Randy's exposure at your own events is sound business practice, given the circumstances.

And this is all notwithstanding the speculated lack of integrity that Randy has shown and stunts he has pulled in the past.

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This.

In the topless bar business, if you got fired or left the club, you could not ever come back. We did not want you associating with or attempting to recruit our girls.

You work for Mercedes Benz and go to work for BMW, they do not let you back on the MB property.

Same thing here. No different.

BILLY JOE ROTTONCROTCH: "How can Dana prevent Randy from buying a ticket?

How can he prevent him from cornering his son for that matter?"

Randy can indeed buy a ticket. And Randy can be escorted out of the building by Security on first sight. Buh-bye.

"We reserve the right to refuse business."

Standard in pretty much any hospitality venue I've ever worked. And I've worked quite a few. "The Owner has seen you on our camera system. It is nothing personal, but you have to go. Now."

Randy can attempt to corner his son. Ryan has already been told directly from Dana in advance that in order to stay with Zuffa, Randy is NOT welcome. Period. His attempt at cornering would last until Dana cancelled that particular fight on the spot, had Security escort Randy out, and then sent Ryan packing.

Dana was very clear, and very, very fair and straightforward as far as Ryan is concerned.

2/4/13 6:04 PM
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Randy should show up to corner his son anyway.

Is Dana really gonna be that petty about it?

If he is, let him act out in public then.
2/4/13 6:07 PM
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horrible move by randy... id rather be in business with Zuffa than with a promotion that may not last 3 years.

if i was randy i would have been honest with dana and said look, spike is offering me this deal...  zuffa would have  have given him the same or better deal and you have the luxury of knowing they will be around for a long time.

if bellator shuts it's doors in a few years - like every other promotion that tried competing with the UFC has - and zuffa has closed it's doors to you... what then?

ufc events are great for networking within the industry.

Randy played this wrong.... he should have used the bellator deal to leverage something similar or better with zuffa.

Im surprised Zuffa didnt include a non compete in Randy's commentating deal like the original one they had when he was filling in for rogan.


LOL@MMALOGIC still in his little make believe world where Bellator DIDN'T just sign a huge deal with Spike (Viacom) and DIDN'T just do phenomenal numbers with it's debut.
Wake up, MMALOGIC. Bellator isn't going anywhere.
2/4/13 6:14 PM
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Billy Joe Rottoncrotch - "Standard in pretty much any hospitality venue I've ever worked. And I've worked quite a few. "The Owner has seen you on our camera system. It is nothing personal, but you have to go. Now."

Randy can attempt to corner his son. Ryan has already been told directly from Dana in advance that in order to stay with Zuffa, Randy is NOT welcome. Period. His attempt at cornering would last until Dana cancelled that particular fight on the spot, had Security escort Randy out, and then sent Ryan packing.

Dana was very clear, and very, very fair and straightforward as far as Ryan is concerned."



Couldn't the athletic commissions have a say in that?

I mean if a promoter wanted to indirectly influence a fight, then just ban his trainer from being in his corner.

No more Greg Jackson.

That I do not know. Perhaps if a promoter abused his authority in the matter.



However, this case is not nearly so clear-cut. It's not just "I don't like Greg Jackson and want his fighters to lose."

Randy is working for and under contract with a direct competitor to the UFC. Greg Jackson does not work for nor is under contract with Bellator, MFC, Dream, Legacy, UFC, or BAMMA.

Ryan has already been told in advance that Randy is not welcome.

I could easily see the AC siding with Zuffa.

Further, Randy would only get to corner (1) time only, and that is only if Dana did not cancel the fight on the spot. Then Zuffa (could pay the fighters and) would cut Ryan.

If you are Randy are you going to force the issue when Dana was so gracious, upfront and fair with your son? Is Ryan going to spit on and then bite Dana's outstretched hand? A hand that Ryan has already shook?

2/4/13 6:15 PM
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I wanna see what happens when Randy is caught at the event without permission

you ain't welcome in this town no more Randy!


It would be funny if Randy were to show up with Don Frye, Frank Shamrock and Pat Miletich and Dana had a fit and had them all thrown out! I'd like to see Spike use all these guys in their reality show. Maybe they might create some name recognition and star factor beyond Dana White.
2/4/13 6:21 PM
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I wanna see what happens when Randy is caught at the event without permission

you ain't welcome in this town no more Randy!


It would be funny if Randy were to show up with Don Frye, Frank Shamrock and Pat Miletich and Dana had a fit and had them all thrown out! I'd like to see Spike use all these guys in their reality show. Maybe they might create some name recognition and star factor beyond Dana White.

If Spike created the 'Dana White' tv character, they can probably make stars of legendary former fighters as well.

I'd like to see them try this.
2/4/13 6:21 PM
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Megatherium - Randy should show up to corner his son anyway.

Is Dana really gonna be that petty about it?

If he is, let him act out in public then.

Is Randy going to be so pretty as to show up anyway?

Knowing he is not welcome.

Knowing Dana treated his son with diplomacy and was utterly straightforward and 100% fair with Ryan?

Knowing that Ryan would never fight for the UFC again?

Would Ryan, who verbally shook hands with Dana, be so stupid as to allow his father to attempt to corner him?

Ryan choose to stay with Zuffa/UFC. Ryan knows the rules in advance. Ryans dream is to fight in the UFC.

Dana welcomed him with open arms. Ryan will be part of the family, will not be an outsider, will be on the team. Blah, blah, blah. Fair as can be. Upfront. In advance.

If Ryan shows up with Randy to corner him, then they can both be escorted out by Security. It's that simple.

2/4/13 6:22 PM
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How exactly did Randy screw Zuffa? By finally getting a REAL agent and who educated him on exactly how bad he was getting screwed for years? By keeping the rights to his likeness and not getting screwed out of video game royalties like every other fighter in the Zuffa stable of fighters?
Tell us Cindy O, how did Big Bad Randy Couture screw poor little ZUFFA.
2/4/13 6:28 PM
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Megatherium - Randy should show up to corner his son anyway.

Is Dana really gonna be that petty about it?

If he is, let him act out in public then.

Is Randy going to be so pretty as to show up anyway?

Knowing he is not welcome.

Knowing Dana treated his son with diplomacy and was utterly straightforward and 100% fair with Ryan?

Knowing that Ryan would never fight for the UFC again?

Would Ryan, who verbally shook hands with Dana, be so stupid as to allow his father to attempt to corner him?

Ryan choose to stay with Zuffa/UFC. Ryan knows the rules in advance. Ryans dream is to fight in the UFC.

Dana welcomed him with open arms. Ryan will be part of the family, will not be an outsider, will be on the team. Blah, blah, blah. Fair as can be. Upfront. In advance.

If Ryan shows up with Randy to corner him, then they can both be escorted out by Security. It's that simple.


You're ready to co-sign Dana White's shit, aren't you?
2/4/13 6:34 PM
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should be able to corner and leave or corner and pay full price for a ticket
2/5/13 2:14 AM
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ShawnTheBadger - 
Uchi - The automatic assumption about Dana's barring Randy from cornering fighters in the UFC is that it is a petty vendetta. While there are obvious personal feelings involved, I doubt that is the sole reason.

Bellator wanted Randy because of his name recognition and brand. He is a UFC HOFer, former champion, and actor. By allowing and likely showing Randy at a UFC event, they give him greater visibility and perhaps foster the impression he is still involved with the UFC. Why provide that to someone who is now a commodity of a rival promotion? Why give one iota of your brand power to someone looking to compete with you?

For those of you bleating on about keeping things professional, 'this is just business', etc. It seems to me that limiting Randy's exposure at your own events is sound business practice, given the circumstances.

And this is all notwithstanding the speculated lack of integrity that Randy has shown and stunts he has pulled in the past.

-u-

This.

In the topless bar business, if you got fired or left the club, you could not ever come back. We did not want you associating with or attempting to recruit our girls.

You work for Mercedes Benz and go to work for BMW, they do not let you back on the MB property.

Same thing here. No different.

BILLY JOE ROTTONCROTCH: "How can Dana prevent Randy from buying a ticket?

How can he prevent him from cornering his son for that matter?"

Randy can indeed buy a ticket. And Randy can be escorted out of the building by Security on first sight. Buh-bye.

"We reserve the right to refuse business."

Standard in pretty much any hospitality venue I've ever worked. And I've worked quite a few. "The Owner has seen you on our camera system. It is nothing personal, but you have to go. Now."

Randy can attempt to corner his son. Ryan has already been told directly from Dana in advance that in order to stay with Zuffa, Randy is NOT welcome. Period. His attempt at cornering would last until Dana cancelled that particular fight on the spot, had Security escort Randy out, and then sent Ryan packing.

Dana was very clear, and very, very fair and straightforward as far as Ryan is concerned.


DW dayum sure had 3 time loser, Jeremy Lappin, escorted from the front row of an event to the cab line and there wasn't anything he could do except be humiliated=) And he hadn't even been warned not to show up in advance.

Not sure about the cornering thing though because the AC's govern seconds, not Zuffa.

 

Cindy

2/5/13 2:15 AM
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I wanna see what happens when Randy is caught at the event without permission

you ain't welcome in this town no more Randy!


Ouch! What's this from?

 

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2/5/13 2:17 AM
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UFC dont own Randy. Randy can do whatever the hell he wants. Dana can cry all he wants, hes good at it.

2/5/13 2:23 AM
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Megatherium - Randy should show up to corner his son anyway.

Is Dana really gonna be that petty about it?

If he is, let him act out in public then.

Is Randy going to be so pretty as to show up anyway?

Knowing he is not welcome.

Knowing Dana treated his son with diplomacy and was utterly straightforward and 100% fair with Ryan?

Knowing that Ryan would never fight for the UFC again?

Would Ryan, who verbally shook hands with Dana, be so stupid as to allow his father to attempt to corner him?

Ryan choose to stay with Zuffa/UFC. Ryan knows the rules in advance. Ryans dream is to fight in the UFC.

Dana welcomed him with open arms. Ryan will be part of the family, will not be an outsider, will be on the team. Blah, blah, blah. Fair as can be. Upfront. In advance.

If Ryan shows up with Randy to corner him, then they can both be escorted out by Security. It's that simple.


Ryan would never make it to the scales on Friday because as soon as Burt or Donna see Randy's name on the sheet for tickets (each fighter gets a minumum of 4 per event for their corners/trainers/family) it would end right there.

But I don't think Randy would test DW on this anyway, especially at the expense of his sons career with the UFC.

 

Cindy

2/5/13 2:32 AM
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I wanna see what happens when Randy is caught at the event without permission

you ain't welcome in this town no more Randy!


Ouch! What's this from?

 

Cindy


Casino.
2/5/13 2:39 AM
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Dana's always the one who has to be the 'bigger man'. Everyone can shit on him as much as they want bc all-things-even Dana's going to start at a disadvantage bc he's an asshole with lots of money.

Loyalty used to matter. Now it's almost nonexistent. Randy can say it's only business. But so can DFW when bans Randy from the Vegas arena his business paid $150,000 to rent for fight night.

It goes both ways. And Randy - not Dana - is to blame for his inability to corner his son. "You have to sleep in the bed you made". Phone Post
2/5/13 2:40 AM
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Randy can watch the fights at my place of he needs too. BYOBB. Phone Post
2/5/13 3:16 AM
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Why did Dana/UFC take Randy back so many times and cut Matt Lindland loose? What did Matt Lindland do that was worse than Randy?

2/5/13 3:31 AM
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Why is Dana acting so butthurt about this? Randy did a lot for the UFC and sure Dana looked after him pretty well but he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Let it go Dana, be the bigger man.


Well he said they were good and then the Affliction/court shit happened, alot of things were said, Randy came back and it took a while but they sort of built up the relationship again I guess.

Then he gets the Fox job and then leaves to joint hte competition.

Its like fuck me once ok but fuck me twice, fuck you.

Honestly I'd be the same way, I just wouldnt keep talking about it, say what you got to say about Randy and then move on.


DW asked Randy about a deal with Bellator 4-5 weeks ago when the rumor began and Randy lied to him and said there was no way he'd ever do a deal with them. DW and Randy were in a really decent place so for Randy to handle things in this manner kinda sucks. But is anyone really that surprised? Pfft.

 

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Anyone else feel like they're back in high school?

This issue happens all the time in corporate America.
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Why is Dana acting so butthurt about this? Randy did a lot for the UFC and sure Dana looked after him pretty well but he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Let it go Dana, be the bigger man.


Well he said they were good and then the Affliction/court shit happened, alot of things were said, Randy came back and it took a while but they sort of built up the relationship again I guess.

Then he gets the Fox job and then leaves to joint hte competition.

Its like fuck me once ok but fuck me twice, fuck you.

Honestly I'd be the same way, I just wouldnt keep talking about it, say what you got to say about Randy and then move on.


DW asked Randy about a deal with Bellator 4-5 weeks ago when the rumor began and Randy lied to him and said there was no way he'd ever do a deal with them. DW and Randy were in a really decent place so for Randy to handle things in this manner kinda sucks. But is anyone really that surprised? Pfft.

 

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Anyone else feel like they're back in high school?

This issue happens all the time in corporate America.
2/5/13 4:41 AM
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Taz Styles - Dana: "The only time Randy Couture is ever a man is when he stepped foot in that cage."

lol then he goes,  The second his big toe leaves that octagon, he is anything but a man

2/5/13 4:54 AM
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Taz Styles - Dana: "The only time Randy Couture is ever a man is when he stepped foot in that cage."

lol then he goes,  The second his big toe leaves that octagon, he is anything but a man

I wonder if Dana would say this in person. Phone Post
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MMALOGIC - 
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If Bellator shuts down in a few years, there will always be a #2 organization. What's stopping Randy from going to the next #2?

zuffa rents out the arenas... that's what gives them the grounds. you rent out a hall for a wedding or whatever event you can invite or ban whoever you want.

Ask Frank SHamrock how jumping from one #2 to the next has worked out for him...

There was a short window of Frank being unemployed when Strikeforce had it's last show. That window is CLOSED
 
Bellator Reality Show Coaches Include Couture, FRANK "I'm still getting paid" Shamrock, Warren and Greg Jackson.
 
 
Next time you're at a Bellator event, YOU ask Frank Shamrock that question.
 

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