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2/7/13 12:57 PM
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Harmon Whistler
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Lynchman - Spike is handling Bellator, not Viacom as a whole. It is like saying Viacom is backing TNA wrestling.

Spike, as a part of Viacom, gets a budget and spends part of that money on Bellator.

Being a part of the Viacom family certainly gives Bellator opportunities it would not otherwise have, but they are not being backed by the entire company.

Lol, say what? Next you're going to tell us UFC on fx fuel and fox tv is all handled independent of each other.

 

Kind of an odd argument considering Viacom owns Spike, and Fox is owned by News Corp...

 

 
Anyway, Fox gets their budget from News Corp, and Spike gets theirs from Viacom.. and Lynchman is right, neither has the full backing from their respective companies; News Corp. and Viacom are both monsters, but they also have a ton of assets in broadcasting (among other things) that need to be funded too..
2/7/13 1:00 PM
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^ If you say that shit directly to randy 's face do you have even the faintest delusion that he wouldn't put your teeth down your throat, regardless of the consequences? Phone Post
2/7/13 1:01 PM
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That wasn't meant for you Harmon whistler, btw LOL Phone Post
2/7/13 1:25 PM
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JerodR - The thing is that regardless of Viacom or Spike, they better have a true passion for MMA. People will sink more money into the things they love in both good times and bad. If it is nothing more than an investment or business opportunity they will take off when the return is not good enough. That I think is the difference between Dana and Lorenzo vs. many of these other guys.

The UFC is run by people that are true fans of the sport through and through. You have to not only match the big pockets but their drive to succeed because of how much they love it. If you can't do that then you will never be real competition over the long hall regardless of your checkbook.

Yup. This whole UFC vs Bellator situation reminds me of the WWE vs WCW pro-wrestling "wars". Although, Bellator is nowhere as successful as WCW was its prime.

The reason why the WWE beat WCW was because the McMahon family lives and breathes their industry - pro wrestling. For the guys at WCW, it was just a business. Hogan said it best. You could call up Vince McMahon at 3am and he'd be more than happy to discuss storylines and angles. But you'd call the WCW offices at like 5:02pm and everyone would've already gone home and you'd have to wait till the next business day to have your call returned.

I liken Zuffa/Dana/Lorenzo to Vince in the above scenario. They're passionate about the sport and have grown it from being banned on PPV to its current form on FOX tv. Viacom doesn't give a shit about MMA. They want to make money within a certain timeframe. If that doesn't happen, they'll probably start looking into that whole armwrestling-fighting XARM stuff.
2/7/13 1:29 PM
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JerodR - The thing is that regardless of Viacom or Spike, they better have a true passion for MMA. People will sink more money into the things they love in both good times and bad. If it is nothing more than an investment or business opportunity they will take off when the return is not good enough. That I think is the difference between Dana and Lorenzo vs. many of these other guys.

The UFC is run by people that are true fans of the sport through and through. You have to not only match the big pockets but their drive to succeed because of how much they love it. If you can't do that then you will never be real competition over the long hall regardless of your checkbook.

Yup. This whole UFC vs Bellator situation reminds me of the WWE vs WCW pro-wrestling "wars". Although, Bellator is nowhere as successful as WCW was its prime.

The reason why the WWE beat WCW was because the McMahon family lives and breathes their industry - pro wrestling. For the guys at WCW, it was just a business. Hogan said it best. You could call up Vince McMahon at 3am and he'd be more than happy to discuss storylines and angles. But you'd call the WCW offices at like 5:02pm and everyone would've already gone home and you'd have to wait till the next business day to have your call returned.

I liken Zuffa/Dana/Lorenzo to Vince in the above scenario. They're passionate about the sport and have grown it from being banned on PPV to its current form on FOX tv. Viacom doesn't give a shit about MMA. They want to make money within a certain timeframe. If that doesn't happen, they'll probably start looking into that whole armwrestling-fighting XARM stuff.

Agreed and it is very much the same type of situation. I don't see anyone over there that can match the passion for the sport.
2/7/13 1:33 PM
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Glad Dana White told Bellator fighters to watch what they signed away in their contract, because UFC would eventually be able to acquire many Bellator fighters once they are successful stars like Lombard (Alvarez too, if he can win his legal battles).

 

2/7/13 1:39 PM
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JerodR - The thing is that regardless of Viacom or Spike, they better have a true passion for MMA. People will sink more money into the things they love in both good times and bad. If it is nothing more than an investment or business opportunity they will take off when the return is not good enough. That I think is the difference between Dana and Lorenzo vs. many of these other guys.

The UFC is run by people that are true fans of the sport through and through. You have to not only match the big pockets but their drive to succeed because of how much they love it. If you can't do that then you will never be real competition over the long hall regardless of your checkbook.

Yup. This whole UFC vs Bellator situation reminds me of the WWE vs WCW pro-wrestling "wars". Although, Bellator is nowhere as successful as WCW was its prime.

The reason why the WWE beat WCW was because the McMahon family lives and breathes their industry - pro wrestling. For the guys at WCW, it was just a business. Hogan said it best. You could call up Vince McMahon at 3am and he'd be more than happy to discuss storylines and angles. But you'd call the WCW offices at like 5:02pm and everyone would've already gone home and you'd have to wait till the next business day to have your call returned.

I liken Zuffa/Dana/Lorenzo to Vince in the above scenario. They're passionate about the sport and have grown it from being banned on PPV to its current form on FOX tv. Viacom doesn't give a shit about MMA. They want to make money within a certain timeframe. If that doesn't happen, they'll probably start looking into that whole armwrestling-fighting XARM stuff.
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2/7/13 2:05 PM
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JerodR - The thing is that regardless of Viacom or Spike, they better have a true passion for MMA. People will sink more money into the things they love in both good times and bad. If it is nothing more than an investment or business opportunity they will take off when the return is not good enough. That I think is the difference between Dana and Lorenzo vs. many of these other guys.

The UFC is run by people that are true fans of the sport through and through. You have to not only match the big pockets but their drive to succeed because of how much they love it. If you can't do that then you will never be real competition over the long hall regardless of your checkbook.

Yup. This whole UFC vs Bellator situation reminds me of the WWE vs WCW pro-wrestling "wars". Although, Bellator is nowhere as successful as WCW was its prime.

The reason why the WWE beat WCW was because the McMahon family lives and breathes their industry - pro wrestling. For the guys at WCW, it was just a business. Hogan said it best. You could call up Vince McMahon at 3am and he'd be more than happy to discuss storylines and angles. But you'd call the WCW offices at like 5:02pm and everyone would've already gone home and you'd have to wait till the next business day to have your call returned.

I liken Zuffa/Dana/Lorenzo to Vince in the above scenario. They're passionate about the sport and have grown it from being banned on PPV to its current form on FOX tv. Viacom doesn't give a shit about MMA. They want to make money within a certain timeframe. If that doesn't happen, they'll probably start looking into that whole armwrestling-fighting XARM stuff.

Good points. Not only the passion but the experience. Bishoff and Turner had no idea what they were doing plus they literally existed week-to-week, they had no long-term vision or plan. The only goal was to win Monday's ratings.

The UFC has it's flaws but as one example of how they perserve, look at this season of TuF: They listen, learn and improve. Everyone (outside of Zuffa) was calling for TuF to be ended after that last brutal season. So they go and re-invent the show with a new look, focus and generally more mature and likable fighters and most of us are watching again.

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