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2/15/13 5:10 AM
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I already have Sky, I have to pay extra for ESPN to watch the UFC, whereas I wouldnt pay for it if not for the UFC. That explains my reason for hoping it moves to Sky Sports.  PPV will never take off in the UK imo, so I dont fear it being PPV.


how much are you paying for  the sky sports sub?

2/15/13 5:27 AM
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I think its £21 a month for Sky Sports on its own.  My bill doesnt break it down, it just says what I pay:

 

    Billing Period Charges Discounts  
     
  Sky+ Subscription 01/02/13 - 28/02/13 FREE    
     
  Entertainment Extra with Sports and Movies HD 01/02/13 - 28/02/13 £62.75     
     
  ESPN 01/02/13 - 28/02/13 £10.00     
  Sky TV total: £72.75 
So if the UFC moves to Sky Sports I'll save £10 a month. I'd have Sky Sports either way for the football and F1, ESPN is pretty shit minus the UFC and as it now seems theyve lost the football.  I used to get it all for £27 a month on friends and family :(
2/15/13 6:05 AM
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Good breakdown DomDan, it is 21 per month for Sky Sports.

The majority of people would end up paying less for their subscriptions if UFC went on Sky Sports or Fox. The only people who would pay more is freeview customers or non Sky Sports customers. There aren't to many of them, only the hardcores and TBH there aren't to many of them either. Most UFC fans in the UK also watch other Sports like DomDan and already have Sky Sports.

I realise we don't want PPV but that ain't gonna happen for at least a couple of years. If it did go PPV then at least we would get to see some quality cards over here. Also, Sky are going back into boxing PPV so at the most we would get 3 or 4 PPV per year or the market would become over saturated. If it went on Sky Sports or Fox I feel it would benefit the UK.

Yup, I'm hanging on Sky's nutts but I work for them so I get to. Phone Post
2/15/13 6:50 AM
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Bisping=Gatekeeper4Life -  Good breakdown DomDan, it is 21 per month for Sky Sports.

The majority of people would end up paying less for their subscriptions if UFC went on Sky Sports or Fox. The only people who would pay more is freeview customers or non Sky Sports customers. There aren't to many of them, only the hardcores and TBH there aren't to many of them either. Most UFC fans in the UK also watch other Sports like DomDan and already have Sky Sports.

I realise we don't want PPV but that ain't gonna happen for at least a couple of years. If it did go PPV then at least we would get to see some quality cards over here. Also, Sky are going back into boxing PPV so at the most we would get 3 or 4 PPV per year or the market would become over saturated. If it went on Sky Sports or Fox I feel it would benefit the UK.

Yup, I'm hanging on Sky's nutts but I work for them so I get to. Phone Post

I disagree on your point about the move to PPV providing better cards. You are forgetting that there are time differences between usa/canada and the uk/europe. The vast majority of ppv money will always come from the north american market. The uk/europe market will never produce enough income for the ufc to bring in big name fighters even if they did move to ppv. For a start it would be the same as now with the big names refusing to fight here because they'd earn less of a ppv cut.

Sky is not and will never be a good move for any sport. Sky is a monopoly when it comes to sport in the uk and that is not a good thing especially for a sport that cant compete against the big sports over here.

All this talk about better coverage and sky sports news coverage is fantasy talk. Sky is driven by subscribers and ad revenue. Big companies that want to be associated with football, rugby, golf etc dont want to be anywhere mma which is still seen as cage fighting. And the vast majority of subscribers wont even watch because of the 3am start times. Even repeats wont be on at decent times because of the sports that already have good time slots being the cash cows for sky.

The ufc and mma in general needs a channel that will prioritise the product and sky sports is not that platform. I'd honestly be surprised if sky take the ufc on. I just dont see it happening...
2/15/13 6:53 AM
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Bisping=Gatekeeper4Life - Good breakdown DomDan, it is 21 per month for Sky Sports.

The majority of people would end up paying less for their subscriptions if UFC went on Sky Sports or Fox. The only people who would pay more is freeview customers or non Sky Sports customers. There aren't to many of them, only the hardcores and TBH there aren't to many of them either. Most UFC fans in the UK also watch other Sports like DomDan and already have Sky Sports.

I realise we don't want PPV but that ain't gonna happen for at least a couple of years. If it did go PPV then at least we would get to see some quality cards over here. Also, Sky are going back into boxing PPV so at the most we would get 3 or 4 PPV per year or the market would become over saturated. If it went on Sky Sports or Fox I feel it would benefit the UK.

Yup, I'm hanging on Sky's nutts but I work for them so I get to. Phone Post
Agreed, I'd say the ESPN subscription so would be delighted.

SKY are the best at covering any sport they commit to. That is beyond doubt.

They completely revamped other fringe sports like Snooker and Darts. The transformation was quite staggering with regards to Darts.

They could do wonders with a product like The UFC. Phone Post
2/15/13 6:53 AM
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Bisping=Gatekeeper4Life - Good breakdown DomDan, it is 21 per month for Sky Sports.

The majority of people would end up paying less for their subscriptions if UFC went on Sky Sports or Fox. The only people who would pay more is freeview customers or non Sky Sports customers. There aren't to many of them, only the hardcores and TBH there aren't to many of them either. Most UFC fans in the UK also watch other Sports like DomDan and already have Sky Sports.

I realise we don't want PPV but that ain't gonna happen for at least a couple of years. If it did go PPV then at least we would get to see some quality cards over here. Also, Sky are going back into boxing PPV so at the most we would get 3 or 4 PPV per year or the market would become over saturated. If it went on Sky Sports or Fox I feel it would benefit the UK.

Yup, I'm hanging on Sky's nutts but I work for them so I get to. Phone Post
Agreed, I'd say the ESPN subscription so would be delighted.

SKY are the best at covering any sport they commit to. That is beyond doubt.

They completely revamped other fringe sports like Snooker and Darts. The transformation was quite staggering with regards to Darts.

They could do wonders with a product like The UFC. Phone Post
Save the ESPN subscription. Phone Post
2/15/13 7:29 AM
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Latest word is it wont be Sky; they want the UFC content for free because they think they would be giving the UFC a big boost by airing them. The UFC isnt interested in giving away content for free though. Possible developments with UK Fox-owned channel like FX.
2/15/13 7:34 AM
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I love how positive Dana is sounding about getting a TV deal done this week and the idea of having 4-5 events every year around the same date would be tremendous.

Yeah they must want nail a tv agreement if Lorenzo is flying specially Phone Post

Watched both parts there guys. As you say El Toro, looks promising and with Lorenzo flying in, they must mean business. I really hope they can pull this off. 

Also positive news about their intentions to do annual live events in each of the capitals in our region. Phone Post
Capitals in our region? As in London, Dublin, Edinburgh, Belfast? Hope that's not true, North shafted as usual. Phone Post

Hope it's not true.

There's an arena just built in Leeds that holds 13.5k, it'd be perfect for a FUEL or FX up north (and convenient for me)!
Id be happy with Leeds, Manchester, Newcastle, just anywhere in the North instead of everything being daan Saaf. Phone Post

Thats what you get for living in the wilderness, just pay your taxes and be happy with it Northern scum.
2/15/13 7:37 AM
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It'll never get the necessary promotion siiting on FX(Fox) in with re-runs of Family Guy and American Dad.  Getting the content on Sky Sports would be more beneficial in the long run by increasing viewership and legitimising the sport. The lack of acceptance of MMA as a legitimate sport is the biggest problem in the UK.  Even ESPN was progress from Bravo, but FX(Fox) is a backwards step for short term gain over longterm benefits.

 

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2/15/13 9:18 AM
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Bisping=Gatekeeper4Life -  Good breakdown DomDan, it is 21 per month for Sky Sports.

The majority of people would end up paying less for their subscriptions if UFC went on Sky Sports or Fox. The only people who would pay more is freeview customers or non Sky Sports customers. There aren't to many of them, only the hardcores and TBH there aren't to many of them either. Most UFC fans in the UK also watch other Sports like DomDan and already have Sky Sports.

I realise we don't want PPV but that ain't gonna happen for at least a couple of years. If it did go PPV then at least we would get to see some quality cards over here. Also, Sky are going back into boxing PPV so at the most we would get 3 or 4 PPV per year or the market would become over saturated. If it went on Sky Sports or Fox I feel it would benefit the UK.

Yup, I'm hanging on Sky's nutts but I work for them so I get to. Phone Post

I disagree on your point about the move to PPV providing better cards. You are forgetting that there are time differences between usa/canada and the uk/europe. The vast majority of ppv money will always come from the north american market. The uk/europe market will never produce enough income for the ufc to bring in big name fighters even if they did move to ppv. For a start it would be the same as now with the big names refusing to fight here because they'd earn less of a ppv cut.

Sky is not and will never be a good move for any sport. Sky is a monopoly when it comes to sport in the uk and that is not a good thing especially for a sport that cant compete against the big sports over here.

All this talk about better coverage and sky sports news coverage is fantasy talk. Sky is driven by subscribers and ad revenue. Big companies that want to be associated with football, rugby, golf etc dont want to be anywhere mma which is still seen as cage fighting. And the vast majority of subscribers wont even watch because of the 3am start times. Even repeats wont be on at decent times because of the sports that already have good time slots being the cash cows for sky.

The ufc and mma in general needs a channel that will prioritise the product and sky sports is not that platform. I'd honestly be surprised if sky take the ufc on. I just dont see it happening...

If the sport was to go PPV in the UK they would have to give us better cards than what we have been getting.

I agree with Outlaw'd by Lytle that when Sky promote a Sport they are capable of taking it to the next level. He also mentioned that Dana should think about taking a shitty short term deal to begin with and when the sport grows go for a better deal. Excellent idea IMHO. I  can certainly undersatnd why Zuffa don't want to give away the product for Free though.

The talk about Sky Sports News isn't fantasy, they have already had mentions on Sky Sports News. This happened when FX showed the TUF Finale. Sky also have a dedicated page on their Sports website for UFC.  I have mentioned the coverage is poor but it wouldn't take much to improve that.  If Sky put more in, then the Sport would grow, there is no doubt about that. 

We know Sky is driven by subscriptions, I mentioned this a few days ago:

 

Again we were talking about it at work yesterday and Sky are always looking to drive new subscriptions. The census is UFC wouldn't drive to many, even though its a fast growing sport. Phone Post

UFC doesn't need a dedicated channel to prioritise them, they need to be better promoted and Sky could do that. I would be happy if they went on Fox though. I just don't want them on Primetime or some obscure channel that will harm the growth of the sport.

2/15/13 10:10 AM
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Looks like they are going to end up on some other shit channel like FX, which will do nothing for them in the UK.  Sky Sports is pretty much the only route they can go and always has been, Sky know this and will strongarm Zuffa, Zuffa on the other hand are pretty stubborn so they will try to do something else like they have done all along in the UK market, but it simply won't work to their favour.

2/15/13 10:48 AM
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The UFC needs to grasp that at this point in time they are nothing in the UK. Hardly anyone watches it - that's a fact.

Sky don't need the UFC, the UFC need SKY.

Zuffa should agree to a short term 'free content' agreement providing SKY are willing to promote sufficiently.

Fast forward three years and I'm sure a contract more suiting to Zuffa's needs would be on the cards.

Zuffa playing hardball at thus stage is harming them in the long run. Very short sighted IMO. Phone Post
2/18/13 11:44 AM
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its Sky ; stay tuned
2/18/13 11:50 AM
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john joe - its Sky ; stay tuned

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2/18/13 12:03 PM
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john joe - its Sky ; stay tuned
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2/18/13 12:10 PM
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john joe - its Sky ; stay tuned

Match of the day then bed looks close on a Saturday night for me then.
2/18/13 12:11 PM
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Match of the day then bed looks close on a Saturday night for me then.
How come mate, don't you have Sky or Virgin? Phone Post
2/18/13 12:16 PM
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john joe - its Sky ; stay tuned

Match of the day then bed looks close on a Saturday night for me then.
How come mate, don't you have Sky or Virgin? Phone Post

I have virgin mate.
I had signal problems Sky,and they refused to fixed them without charge.I quit them when my contract run out, and really don't want to give them my money.
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But you will be giving Virgin your money.

You get all Sky's content on Virgin. If you don't have Sports already surely it will only cost a max 20 pounds per month. Well worth it for excellent UFC coverage. Phone Post
2/18/13 12:22 PM
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2/18/13 12:22 PM
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It was an lnb problem on the dish that was on my building when i moved in, they did not even installed a fresh dish when i joined them, but charged an installation fee.
And then wanted to charge to replace the lnb,the cheeky Cads.
2/18/13 12:26 PM
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Bisping=Gatekeeper4Life -  But you will be giving Virgin your money.

You get all Sky's content on Virgin. If you don't have Sports already surely it will only cost a max 20 pounds per month. Well worth it for excellent UFC coverage. Phone Post

I thought Virgin only get a small percentage of the SKY subcribers money,i'll look into it.
2/18/13 12:31 PM
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Bofbro - It was an lnb problem on the dish that was on my building when i moved in, they did not even installed a fresh dish when i joined them, but charged an installation fee.
And then wanted to charge to replace the lnb,the cheeky Cads.
I work for Sky m8 and realise they can be cheeky at times. Sorry you were put through that. Phone Post
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In all honesty I don't mind that it is sky as long as it doesn't go to ppv. I already pay enough for my tv subscription with out an extra £15 a month. Phone Post
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Bisping=Gatekeeper4Life -  But you will be giving Virgin your money.

You get all Sky's content on Virgin. If you don't have Sports already surely it will only cost a max 20 pounds per month. Well worth it for excellent UFC coverage. Phone Post

I thought Virgin only get a small percentage of the SKY subcribers money,i'll look into it.
Virgin pay a certain amount each year to show Sky Sports. Whether you subscribe to Sky Sports on Virgin or not the figure will stay the same. If you subscribe to Sky Sports on Virgin then the money goes to Virgin.

Don't cut your nose of to spite your face brother(I think that's how the saying goes :). ) Phone Post

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