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2/8/13 11:41 PM
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lol at some of you mother fuckers on his jock.

he has zero business being in the UFC HOF. ZERO. 

maybe pancrase HOF, but even then, when he left japan and started fighting in the UFC/strikeforce his record was 14-7-1. 


fucking idiot.. gargle bleach

 


lol nice tuck.

care to elaborate on jackson "the jon jones of his time" with his amazing 3-0 record? or what else he did in the UFC to warrant this amazing jockriding you guys are doing?

 


Ask Tito the same question.

 

2/8/13 11:43 PM
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lol at some of you mother fuckers on his jock.

he has zero business being in the UFC HOF. ZERO. 

maybe pancrase HOF, but even then, when he left japan and started fighting in the UFC/strikeforce his record was 14-7-1. 


He was 5-0 in the UFC. Nobody is talking about Strikeforce. 


yeah, and? 

is every.single.UFC.champion in the UFC HOF? no, they're not. 

hell, Tim Sylvia defended his title more often than shamrock, had a better record when he left the UFC than shamrock and NOT one person on this forum/thread is will even consider putting Sylvia in the UFC HOF at this time.

riddle me that batman...lol


Tim Sylvia has the big win over Ricco but was submitted by Mir in his 4th UFC fight. Not sure why you want to compare him to Frank Shamrock.

2/8/13 11:44 PM
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lol at some of you mother fuckers on his jock.

he has zero business being in the UFC HOF. ZERO. 

maybe pancrase HOF, but even then, when he left japan and started fighting in the UFC/strikeforce his record was 14-7-1. 


He was 5-0 in the UFC. Nobody is talking about Strikeforce. 


5-0 in the UFC and unquestionably THE BEST sub-200 fighter (as it was then) during his entire reign.

Him or Sakuraba IMO.

2/8/13 11:46 PM
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lol at some of you mother fuckers on his jock.

he has zero business being in the UFC HOF. ZERO. 

maybe pancrase HOF, but even then, when he left japan and started fighting in the UFC/strikeforce his record was 14-7-1. 


Frank's record began to worsen once he left Japan and started fighting in the UFC? Do you mean the organisation where he was never beaten and exclusively involved in championship fights?
2/8/13 11:48 PM
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One of the funny things about noobs is that they rarely admit to being noobs. They just argue their silly noob opinions on things they know nothing about and assume it's not obvious that they are noobs.

Ip Man 81 - do you admit to being a noob (not that there's anything wrong with that)?

Really dude? Because someone doesn't agree that shamrock should be in the UFC hof? Why don't you give a logical explanation on why he should be in there with only having a few UFC fights against the opponents he did? Your a Shamrock fan boy, and that's cool, I like Shamrock too, but you can't let that make u bias about the topic. Phone Post

You didn't answer the question.

If I was a noob I wouldn't be in this convo...so no.... hope that makes u feel better. Alls you are is a Shamrock fan boy who can't except the facts:) you will one day, I hope. We're all bias in our own ways so don't feel bad about it. Phone Post
2/8/13 11:56 PM
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LOL at you bitch cowards voting me down.


Stop crying. I've been voted down on this thread as well. That's just the way it goes.

2/9/13 12:00 AM
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Different times back then. Unfair to compare back then to today. At that time UFC maybe had 6 to 8 events a year. Today there are at least 15 events with options for more championship caliber fights Winning five championship fights should count for something. Yeah maybe today people like Jeremy Horn and John Lober look like nothing but with that logic then u can say that Chuck Lidell fought bums. In his championship matches he fought Babalu and Horn. Looking back names that don't excite.
Severn, Gracie, and K Shamrock had a lot wins due to the tournament style over possible nobodies. All HOF. Maybe winning five championship fights today does not cut it but I often see Rich Franklin's name in HOF threads and he has only three championship wins. Give pioneers like shamrock and militech a break. Different times back then compared to stars of today. FRAT. Phone Post
2/9/13 12:01 AM
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One of the funny things about noobs is that they rarely admit to being noobs. They just argue their silly noob opinions on things they know nothing about and assume it's not obvious that they are noobs.

Ip Man 81 - do you admit to being a noob (not that there's anything wrong with that)?

Really dude? Because someone doesn't agree that shamrock should be in the UFC hof? Why don't you give a logical explanation on why he should be in there with only having a few UFC fights against the opponents he did? Your a Shamrock fan boy, and that's cool, I like Shamrock too, but you can't let that make u bias about the topic. Phone Post

You didn't answer the question.

If I was a noob I wouldn't be in this convo...so no.... hope that makes u feel better. Alls you are is a Shamrock fan boy who can't except the facts:) you will one day, I hope. We're all bias in our own ways so don't feel bad about it. Phone Post

Why would being a noob stop you from being in this conversation? As for Frank Shamrock I'm not really a fan I just give credit where it's due. Who did you pick between Igor and Frank?

2/9/13 12:03 AM
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pmbrent -  Different times back then. Unfair to compare back then to today. At that time UFC maybe had 6 to 8 events a year. Today there are at least 15 events with options for more championship caliber fights Winning five championship fights should count for something. Yeah maybe today people like Jeremy Horn and John Lober look like nothing but with that logic then u can say that Chuck Lidell fought bums. In his championship matches he fought Babalu and Horn. Looking back names that don't excite.
Severn, Gracie, and K Shamrock had a lot wins due to the tournament style over possible nobodies. All HOF. Maybe winning five championship fights today does not cut it but I often see Rich Franklin's name in HOF threads and he has only three championship wins. Give pioneers like shamrock and militech a break. Different times back then compared to stars of today. FRAT. Phone Post

Good post and good explanation of why looking back through wikipedia doesn't give the whole story.

2/9/13 12:04 AM
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Dana's a joke. Clown runs his mouth like he's a tuff guy. Someone will catch him and piss will be running down his leg. Phone Post
2/9/13 12:08 AM
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big_roy_fan - why does frank deserve to be in the UFC hall of fame?

he had 5 fights in the UFC then he punked out.. look at the track record of the other fights in the HOF.

Royce, Severen, Couture, Liddell, Ortiz, Hughes have all done much more for the UFC then Frank Shamrock, adding him into the UFC HOF would kind of devalue the title of "UFC HOF'er"
Frank Shamrock has no business in the UFC hof. Not that he wasn't a decent fighter, but he just wasn't that high a caliber fighter. Phone Post
Wow.

Let me tell you son, as a 01'er... Back in the day Kevin Jackson and Igor Zinoviev were the Jon Jones and Anderson Silvas and were running over everyone.

Then Frank came along and ended their fighting careers.

So don't tell me about not facing high level caliber fighters. He faced the best of his time and completely destroyed them.

Don't you ever dare to rewrite history. Phone Post
Did I say anything about him not facing high caliber fighters?? No dumb shit I didn't. Frank Shamrock was a great fighter, Dont get me wrong. But as far as making the UFC hof, he doesn't make the cut. Otherwise he would be a member of the UFC hof :) so as you being an 01'er I don't think u know your ass from your face. Phone Post

Uh pretty sure you did mention him not facing high caliber fighters by saying he himself was not a high caliber fighter.

You should really just stop. You got rightfully put in your place trying to speak on shit like you know when you don't.

No one he fought in the UFC should earn him a spot, otherwise he'd be in there, correct? Phone Post
Incorrect. Dana himself will admit the reason Frank isn't in the HOF is cos he hates him.

Oh, and he schooled Tito when they fought so that harpoons your idiotic theory. Just read wiki about frank shamrock FFS Phone Post
Everyone knows Dana dislikes him, but I honestly don't think he could be kept out of the hof because Dana dislikes him. If there is a video of Dana saying he deserves the UFC hof but isn't because he dislikes him I will apologize and admit I'm a dumbass and switch my SN to whatever u think is appropriate. I've never seen Dana say THAT, but maybe it's out there. The bottom line is hes not in it and never will be. Had he stayed in the UFC and fought a couple more years, he would probably be in it because he was that type a fighter, just not in the UFC. Phone Post
Franks been erased from UFC history bro. You'll never see a frank shamrock fight on fuel when they show old fights. He ain't going no where near the UFC brand. Phone Post
2/9/13 12:09 AM
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more people should be talking about how the UFC Hall of Fame is stupid outside of a marketing idea for Zuffa. If you want to honor mma fighters you'd promote an mma hall of fame, independent of promotion.
2/9/13 12:10 AM
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HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe - I'm not exactly sure if he's being serious. Not taking anything away from frank, but please don't compare Igor Zinoviev & Kevin Jackson to Anderson Silva & Jon Jones, that's laughable at best. Phone Post
Dana is talking up Ronda Rousey as an Olympic silver medallist. Kevin Jackson was a gold medallist. Frank Shamrock arm barred him in 16 seconds. That's pretty good. Phone Post
2/9/13 12:12 AM
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lol at some of you mother fuckers on his jock.

he has zero business being in the UFC HOF. ZERO. 

maybe pancrase HOF, but even then, when he left japan and started fighting in the UFC/strikeforce his record was 14-7-1. 


He was 5-0 in the UFC. Nobody is talking about Strikeforce. 


yeah, and? 

is every.single.UFC.champion in the UFC HOF? no, they're not. 

hell, Tim Sylvia defended his title more often than shamrock, had a better record when he left the UFC than shamrock and NOT one person on this forum/thread is will even consider putting Sylvia in the UFC HOF at this time.

riddle me that batman...lol

Tim Sylvia is not liked. He popped for steroids and wasn't a fan favorite. He will probably never be allowed anywhere near the UFC. He could go 10-0 tomorrow and he probably won't go back to the UFC. They don't want him to tarnish the brand let alone be forever part of a HOF. Phone Post
2/9/13 12:14 AM
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"Where do you think Tito vs Frank belongs in the UFC top 100 fights? What happened there?"

This is a question to Ip Man 81. If you don't know what I'm referring to just ask.

2/9/13 12:18 AM
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frank defended the belt 4 times in 21 months. in that time frame he beat

igor zinoviev via slam (broke his shoulder and probably his biggest win considering he was 4-0 at the time they fought and he had that big win over sperry)

jeremy horn via kneebar (9-3 at the time, fought a bunch of bums in the midwest but did have a few decent fights, but nothing to compare to igor or frank)

lober via tko (lober took this fight literally on 2 weeks notice and barely trained for it. i know this because i was training with him at the time)

tito via tko (tito was 4-1 at the time and imo, not at the level of horn or igor)

out of all of those wins his horn win is imo his most impressive. not his win over igor (got lucky with the slam) or lober (who took the fight on extremely short notice.)

then shortly after Zuffa took over, shamrock took the belt and held it hostage. he sat on the sidelines and never defended it again. so, when Art Davie and Rorion decide to create a Pre-Zuffa UFC HOF, he'll fit right in. until then, he's out.

 


The second Shamrock/Lober fight was brutal. If you trained with Lober it's possible that you're a little biased against Frank. Just MHO.

2/9/13 12:20 AM
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big_roy_fan - why does frank deserve to be in the UFC hall of fame?

he had 5 fights in the UFC then he punked out.. look at the track record of the other fights in the HOF.

Royce, Severen, Couture, Liddell, Ortiz, Hughes have all done much more for the UFC then Frank Shamrock, adding him into the UFC HOF would kind of devalue the title of "UFC HOF'er"
Frank Shamrock has no business in the UFC hof. Not that he wasn't a decent fighter, but he just wasn't that high a caliber fighter. Phone Post
Wasn't a high caliber fighter? WTF is this noob shit?

I love when random noobs on the Internet feel the need to educate people on something they clearly don't understand. It takes a special kind if arrogance. Phone Post
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lol at some of you mother fuckers on his jock.

he has zero business being in the UFC HOF. ZERO. 

maybe pancrase HOF, but even then, when he left japan and started fighting in the UFC/strikeforce his record was 14-7-1. 


He was 5-0 in the UFC. Nobody is talking about Strikeforce. 


yeah, and? 

is every.single.UFC.champion in the UFC HOF? no, they're not. 

hell, Tim Sylvia defended his title more often than shamrock, had a better record when he left the UFC than shamrock and NOT one person on this forum/thread is will even consider putting Sylvia in the UFC HOF at this time.

riddle me that batman...lol

Tim Sylvia is not liked. He popped for steroids and wasn't a fan favorite. He will probably never be allowed anywhere near the UFC. He could go 10-0 tomorrow and he probably won't go back to the UFC. They don't want him to tarnish the brand let alone be forever part of a HOF. Phone Post

Exactly, so why would Dana and Zuffa allow in Frank when he hasn't been relevant to the UFC in over a fucking decade and has shit on the UFC every chance he's had? 

A case can be made for both to be deserving based on accomplishments. I don't think what people have done professionally in the sport should be downplayed simply because they are not liked. It's entirely the UFCs prerogative to let in whom they choose. But as intelligent MMA fans I think we can understand why they aren't being let in. Phone Post
2/9/13 12:24 AM
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Frank's record began to worsen once he left Japan and started fighting in the UFC? Do you mean the organisation where he was never beaten and exclusively involved in championship fights?

 

never beaten in Pancrase? are you fucking retarded? he lost 3 of his last 4 fights in pancrase.

 

 

I find it hard to believe that you have such poor reading skills that you completely misunderstood which organisation I was clearly referring to. I assume that you're not an incompetent reader and that you're actually just pretending to be one. That makes it difficult for me to take your opinions seriously.
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big_roy_fan - why does frank deserve to be in the UFC hall of fame?

he had 5 fights in the UFC then he punked out.. look at the track record of the other fights in the HOF.

Royce, Severen, Couture, Liddell, Ortiz, Hughes have all done much more for the UFC then Frank Shamrock, adding him into the UFC HOF would kind of devalue the title of "UFC HOF'er"
Frank Shamrock has no business in the UFC hof. Not that he wasn't a decent fighter, but he just wasn't that high a caliber fighter. Phone Post
Wasn't a high caliber fighter? WTF is this noob shit?

I love when random noobs on the Internet feel the need to educate people on something they clearly don't understand. It takes a special kind if arrogance. Phone Post

It really does.

Its hard to know whether to be amused, disappointed or annoyed.

Such blatant stupidity trying to educate people who saw it first hand and understand it in context.

Simple fact is that for his era, Frank was as dominant a champ as there has ever been and he walked away unbeaten.
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big_roy_fan - why does frank deserve to be in the UFC hall of fame?

he had 5 fights in the UFC then he punked out.. look at the track record of the other fights in the HOF.

Royce, Severen, Couture, Liddell, Ortiz, Hughes have all done much more for the UFC then Frank Shamrock, adding him into the UFC HOF would kind of devalue the title of "UFC HOF'er"
Frank Shamrock has no business in the UFC hof. Not that he wasn't a decent fighter, but he just wasn't that high a caliber fighter. Phone Post
Wow.

Let me tell you son, as a 01'er... Back in the day Kevin Jackson and Igor Zinoviev were the Jon Jones and Anderson Silvas and were running over everyone.

Then Frank came along and ended their fighting careers.

So don't tell me about not facing high level caliber fighters. He faced the best of his time and completely destroyed them.

Don't you ever dare to rewrite history. Phone Post

Truth!

2/9/13 12:34 AM
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"Where do you think Tito vs Frank belongs in the UFC top 100 fights? What happened there?"

This is a question to Ip Man 81. If you don't know what I'm referring to just ask.

You've asked me multiple questions and I have answered all of them till now. I've asked you a few and your not acknowledging any of them except with your own questions... your trying to have a pissing contest on who is more knowledgeable. You still have not responded to my last one asking you why Frank should be in the UFC hof with the wins/opponents he has faced? His name in the UFC hof would be like a sore thumb sticking out, just not right. Yes frank and tito had an epic fight that should probibly be among the top ten UFC fights to this day, but that doesn't earn him a hof spot if that's your point? In some ways he has been screwed but not HOF wise. He killed that chance by not staying in the UFC. Phone Post
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The thread title explains why he will never be a HOFer. Phone Post
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"Where do you think Tito vs Frank belongs in the UFC top 100 fights? What happened there?"

This is a question to Ip Man 81. If you don't know what I'm referring to just ask.

And let me guess, you'll throw a shit storm if Lesnar doesn't make the HOF as well right? Phone Post
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I give Frank credit in that he's the only DW nemesis who has never flaked on his stance. That alone deserves some respect.

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