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2/11/13 1:16 AM
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Gondul
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Harmon Whistler -

The Great One got my vote.

^ untouchable in his sport. Hockey players can't even get half as many points in a season as he got in 85-86. Ain't no one ever breaking his 50 goals in 39 games record either. Phone Post
2/11/13 1:46 AM
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Gondul - 
Harmon Whistler -

The Great One got my vote.

^ untouchable in his sport. Hockey players can't even get half as many points in a season as he got in 85-86. Ain't no one ever breaking his 50 goals in 39 games record either. Phone Post

between the 81/82 season and the 86/87 season, gretzky averaged 203 points a season across those 6 seasons. the 2nd place average for that timeframe was 130 points. the league leader for last nhl season got 109.

between 86/87 season and the 92/93 season, jordan averaged 33.2 points a game across those 7 seasons. the 2nd place average for that timeframe was 29.5. the league leader for last nba season was 28.

im not too great with math, but jordan averaged 12.5% higher while gretzky averaged 56% higher. to be comparable jordan would have had to average 46 points per game.
2/11/13 2:21 AM
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steampunk - I'm still laughing at this list. They didn't even include the proper top three(order is arguable, but not for first place) including a person from an america centric sport.

1. Donald Bradman(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman) is, without question, the greatest athlete of all time. "Bradman's career Test batting average of 99.94 is often cited as statistically the greatest achievement by any sportsman in any major sport." quote from the wikipedia page. The next highest career test batting average is slightly higher than 56. He almost doubles the next highest person in an all time comparison. Nobody can compare to that feat.

2. Aleksandr Karelin - Many people on this forum already know and have named him in the running. His feats are well known. He won gold in his weightclass for three olympics in a row. He didn't give up a single point in six years. Six years of never making a single mistake against the best competition in the world. I don't really need to expand upon this.

3. Walter Ray Williams jr.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Ray_Williams_Jr) - He is the greatest professional bowler of all time. Not only did his reign last an incredibly long time, but it lasted throughout an era of bowling that saw amazing changes in equipment. It's a feat that's hard to understand if you aren't a bowler who has gone through the same changes. Bowling became a completely different sport in the time of Walter Ray Williams jr. and he was able to not only stay relevant, but stayed at the top. Not only was he the best bowler of all time, he was also insanely good at horseshoes as well. "Walter Ray has also won six Men's World Horseshoe Pitching titles. He was invited to pitch horseshoes at the White House with President George H. W. Bush in 1989.[25] He finished 2nd in the 2005 World Horseshoe Pitching Championships after switching from right handed to left handed." Again, this quote was taken from his wikipedia page. He finished second on the world stage after switching from his dominant hand to non dominant. That's just how good he was.

I understand that none of these men hold the kind of popularity it would take to win one of these "sports pageant poles," but they are truly the top of the heap when it comes down to being great athletes.
I agree with Bradman if it was worldwide. Cricket is one of the top sports.

But Karelin? He was dominant at a sport that is popular up until the end of college but after that there's no way to make a living competing in it.

The competitor base for the sport has to come into play. Phone Post
2/11/13 2:23 AM
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Also, greatest athlete (in this case) doesn't mean most athletic.

It clearly means who is the greatest in the field of athleticism. Phone Post
2/11/13 3:08 AM
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LOL at Gretzky winning it in a sport that's only played on a world class level in the US....Pele is way ahead of him just due to the size of the talent pool....Messi should also be on that list ahead of most Phone Post
2/11/13 3:29 AM
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GelderdEnd -  LOL at Gretzky winning it in a sport that's only played on a world class level in the US....Pele is way ahead of him just due to the size of the talent pool....Messi should also be on that list ahead of most Phone Post

Gretzky is from Canada and played in Canada for most of his career. Ice Hockey is played at a world class level in many more countries than the US and most of the top talent is not from the US.

http://icehockey.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Hockey_Nations
2/11/13 4:01 AM
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GelderdEnd -  LOL at Gretzky winning it in a sport that's only played on a world class level in the US....Pele is way ahead of him just due to the size of the talent pool....Messi should also be on that list ahead of most Phone Post

Gretzky is from Canada and played in Canada for most of his career. Ice Hockey is played at a world class level in many more countries than the US and most of the top talent is not from the US.

http://icehockey.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Hockey_Nations
Well even more so if it was Canada, who apart from hockey are not competitive in any other sport....no one is denying he was an amazing hockey player but on a list of GOAT's he is nowhere near, no hockey or baseball player is Phone Post
2/11/13 4:20 AM
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Jordan seems to be getting a lot of support, but I assume many don't remember his short stint at trying to play baseball.

Bo Jackson all day. Guy was a freak and excelled in two sports.
2/11/13 4:46 AM
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fitch n prey -  How is woods an athlete
I know his one of the best golfers ever but athlete I doubt Phone Post

Go walk 18 holes, and play, then first off. Tell us how good you did, and then tell us how you feel physically. Do that four days a week, and keep they physique he has.

The dude is a better athlete than you ever will be!


I voted for him over Jordan btw.
2/11/13 4:50 AM
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Cletus Redpecker III - Jordan seems to be getting a lot of support, but I assume many don't remember his short stint at trying to play baseball.

Bo Jackson all day. Guy was a freak and excelled in two sports.

Could hit with power, and throw a baseball better than anyone in MLB at the time.

Bo Jackson and Micheal Jordan both played Baseball.
2/11/13 5:19 AM
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Anderson is easily the MMA GOAT but he doesnt deserve to be on the list, no one in MMA does. Maybe Jones if he wins the HW belt and dominates.

Voted for him anyway.
2/11/13 5:29 AM
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GelderdEnd -  LOL at Gretzky winning it in a sport that's only played on a world class level in the US....Pele is way ahead of him just due to the size of the talent pool....Messi should also be on that list ahead of most Phone Post

What a stupid fucking to say. Pull your head out of your ass.
Really? Well where is Phil Taylor in the poll then? He has won 16 world titles in darts, that's a minority sport, he should be in!

Hockey players don't belong in these mind of polls Phone Post
2/11/13 5:33 AM
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Regardless of the outcome, the correct answer is indeed Sir Donald Bradman. Phone Post
2/11/13 5:54 AM
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GrotesK - Regardless of the outcome, the correct answer is indeed Sir Donald Bradman. Phone Post
Or Sachin Tendulkar for that matter Phone Post
2/11/13 5:56 AM
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Why isn't Dion Sanders on this list? What kind of bull shit is this?
2/11/13 6:13 AM
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GelderdEnd -  LOL at Gretzky winning it in a sport that's only played on a world class level in the US....Pele is way ahead of him just due to the size of the talent pool....Messi should also be on that list ahead of most Phone Post

What a stupid fucking to say. Pull your head out of your ass.
Really? Well where is Phil Taylor in the poll then? He has won 16 world titles in darts, that's a minority sport, he should be in!

Hockey players don't belong in these mind of polls Phone Post

Not sure what your deal is with hockey, but it is a very widespread international and athletic sport that is very popular. It has been in the Olympics for almost 100 years. In the NHL there is a comparable amount of athletes as most other popular sports leagues and the average pay is comparable to the top sports leagues, meaning it must be popular enough to pay those athletes and to support the international competitions.
2/11/13 6:37 AM
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If Bo had a long career he would probably be the biggest name on the list.

As it stands, he's probably the best athlete.

However these things are just glorified popularity contests and Jordan should take it. (Even though I think he would deserve it because he's up there.) Phone Post
2/11/13 7:16 AM
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He will not win Phone Post
2/11/13 7:49 AM
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I didn't vote because Fedor isn't on there.
2/11/13 8:24 AM
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sports is all about who's the toughest anyway, if you boil it all down, its about who'd win in a fight right? if you boil being the best in sports down, as a man, it all comes down to who would win in a straight up fight. so clearly the winner should be federer. ..sorry that was stupid.
2/11/13 9:52 AM
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Jordan...nobody cares about hockey and black people don't even play it...Basketball is a sport played in every high school in the country...it is one of the big 3 sports and Jordan was by far the greatest.
2/11/13 9:52 AM
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They picked the wrong guy to represent mma.
2/11/13 10:02 AM
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Calhoon - They picked the wrong guy to represent mma.

Yeah! Should have picked Cole Konrad!

2/11/13 10:54 AM
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should Rickson be on the list for sport bjj?
2/11/13 10:59 AM
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Root12 -  No Alexander Karelin? Poll has no merit without him... Phone Post

THIS!

Guy didn't give up a point for 6 years or lose for 13 against world class competition.

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