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2/12/13 8:34 AM
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I forgot to add that I think the UFC wanted a 135 pound division for women, as it seemed to be the best weight class to start as that is where women appear to have the most depth......So I don't think Rhonda ran anywhere.....She went where she was told to go......I could be wrong, but that is how I see it.......
2/12/13 9:29 AM
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How can you be a world champion who has submitted every opponent you ever had in the first round and be "overrated"?
2/12/13 9:51 AM
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for a division with zero fights held in the UFC yet it sure talks a lot

2/12/13 10:01 AM
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Eh... She's good looking yeah.

2/12/13 10:12 AM
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RonFoster77 -  People get so wrapped up in her looks that they are igorning the game she is playing. Ronda competed at 154 in the Olympics, started her mma career at 145. When she thought she woukd have to face cyborg ( who has onoy compted at 145) she ran to 135. Ronda had some wieght she could cut because she wasnt walking around with 8 percent body fat. I dont condone steriods I just cant stand the bs game they are playing. This is starting to remind me of kimbo in the elite xc. I hope liz plays the spoiler and seth's her ass. War Liz!! Phone Post

1. Ronda is a 6, and only when she puts effort into it, other wise she is an aggressive 5.

2. If Ronda can cut all the way from 150, it would seem Cyborg should be able too as well. We know it's not fair to compare men cutting weight to woman, blah blah blah, well you have pointed it out your self, another women has cut the weight, cyborg is either scared of Ronda, or scared to fight without that special sauce.

2/12/13 11:48 AM
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Cyborg walks at 165-170. If she is still roiding she is wrong no doubt BUT being heavy doesn't mean your on roids.. look at overeem his weight was the same just not as ripped. Every woman cant make 135 just because ronda and dana says so. You have look at a persons frame also. Cyborg is not a small woman roids or not. Phone Post
2/12/13 12:11 PM
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“I’m planning on, win or lose, dropping down and win the 135-pound belt first before I go after the 145-pound title,” said Rousey. “I definitely want to win both belts and be the undisputed best woman fighter in the world in MMA.

“A fight with Cris Cyborg would be the most important of my career, and I want to treat it like the Olympic Games and be entirely peaked when that time comes. The 145-pound division doesn’t really have that many women signed in Strikeforce, so I’d be better off moving down and going for the 135 title. And once me and Cyborg finally fight it would be two titleholders against each other and the fight itself would even be a bigger deal.”


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2/12/13 12:21 PM
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What the fuck has Cyborg done to earn a shot at the champ since she disgraced herself and got stripped of the title?

2/12/13 1:19 PM
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KevinMcAllister -  “I’m planning on, win or lose, dropping down and win the 135-pound belt first before I go after the 145-pound title,” said Rousey. “I definitely want to win both belts and be the undisputed best woman fighter in the world in MMA.

“A fight with Cris Cyborg would be the most important of my career, and I want to treat it like the Olympic Games and be entirely peaked when that time comes. The 145-pound division doesn’t really have that many women signed in Strikeforce, so I’d be better off moving down and going for the 135 title. And once me and Cyborg finally fight it would be two titleholders against each other and the fight itself would even be a bigger deal.”


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2/12/13 3:03 PM
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RonFoster77 -  People get so wrapped up in her looks that they are igorning the game she is playing. Ronda competed at 154 in the Olympics, started her mma career at 145. When she thought she woukd have to face cyborg ( who has onoy compted at 145) she ran to 135. Ronda had some wieght she could cut because she wasnt walking around with 8 percent body fat. I dont condone steriods I just cant stand the bs game they are playing. This is starting to remind me of kimbo in the elite xc. I hope liz plays the spoiler and seth's her ass. War Liz!! Phone Post

Judo has same day weighins, typically an hour before you compete. Meaning when you fight at 154 in Olympic judo, you're walking around at probably 160 max. In MMA, with a full 24 hours to rehydrate, its common to cut 15-20 pounds. So fighting at 154 in judo is about equivalent to fighting at 140 in MMA, given the difference in weight cuts.

If Cyborg has to use a PED to get to 145, it means she should be fighting 155, or two weight divisions above what Rousey fights at (and Rousey seems to make 135 easily). In which case, the two probably shouldn't be fighting in any case, as the size difference is too big.

Basically, Cyborg should be looking to fight heavier women instead of smaller women. It doesn't really make sense for Cyborg to go out of her way to fight smaller women(again, using PED's to make 145) and then to criticize Rousey for fighting smaller women too. There's no reason for Cyborg not to fight 155, then she wouldn't have to use PED's to make weight.

Otherwise, I find Rousey pretty obnoxious, and I hope someone beats her. But someone who's a 135'er - it'll happen. If nothing else, there are a few judo women who are better than Rousey, maybe they'll go into MMA.
2/12/13 3:15 PM
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RonFoster77 -  This is so stupid... people do relize that what cybrog was busted for was something that helped cut weight... I really hope Ronda loses so she can be humbled a bit. Cyborg would smash her.

This is like Jon Jones saying Bigfoot I will beat your ass but you have to drop to 205 or your scared.. Phone Post

This is patently false and it's thrown around all the time - I'm wondering who started this train of thought.

Winstrol (winny, winny-v, stanalozol) is typically used by female athletes who use steroids because it has less androgenic effects than many other steroids.  They're trying to avoid the male side effects that other steroids sometimes produce - body hair, clit enlargement, voice change, etc.

It is used by male athletes in weight-based sports such as wrestling because it does not produce the weight gain and bloating that more androgenous steroids will produce - that is why bodybuilders term it a "cutter" as many bodybuilders will switch to this closer to competition in order to lean out - drop some of the bloating and water retention that other "mass" steroids promote while retaining their size gains.

The idea that Cyborg was using this in order to cut weight is a misconception - she was using it for the strength and recovery gains associated with the drug, while trying to avoid the associated side effects of others.

2/12/13 3:17 PM
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RonFoster77 - This is so stupid... people do relize that what cybrog was busted for was something that helped cut weight... I really hope Ronda loses so she can be humbled a bit. Cyborg would smash her.

This is like Jon Jones saying Bigfoot I will beat your ass but you have to drop to 205 or your scared.. Phone Post
Lol stanazolol is winstrol which is a highly anabolic steroid, the only difference is that it isn't as androgenic as others but its still a steroid, and will still turn a clit into a dick.

A woman on roids is hormonally a male and has no place fighting in female mma. Phone Post

missed this before posting, I wish more would do research on steroids before commenting with complete misconceptions based on poor news reporting.

VTFU

2/12/13 3:31 PM
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She is 2 inches taller than rousey.  Rousey is just scared because Cyborg would light her ass up on the feet in the first minute.


That is how I see a fight between them going down.

Ronda has yet to land a good strike in MMA.


Technically Rousey has landed a total of 7 strikes in her last 2 fights...

I have no doubt Cyborg would come out swinging for the fences but I also thing Rousey would take her to the ground as well.
2/12/13 3:56 PM
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<blockquote>RonFoster77 - 

Cyborg walks at 165-170. If she is still roiding she is wrong no doubt BUT being heavy doesn't mean your on roids.. look at overeem his weight was the same just not as ripped. Every woman cant make 135 just because ronda and dana says so. You have look at a persons frame also. Cyborg is not a small woman roids or not. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


</blockquote><br /> So , your saying cyborg is naturally bigger than Ronda ? Which is it, this weight gap your trying to perceive is changing by the hour. First Ronda should be able to fight at 45 because she did before , now cyborg is bigger than Ronda and that's why she can't cut like Ronda,???<br /><br />Why confuse things, she's on Riods , that's the only reason she cant cut, we all seen the pre-juice pics of her, and I bet that version of cyborg could cut to 35 easy.<br /><br />
2/12/13 4:07 PM
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MIKE CIESNOLEVICZ -  Rousey is on the run. Everybody with half a brain can see it. Phone Post

I agree.

 

Everyone with a HALF a brain thinks Rousey is on the run.

 

Those of us with an WHOLE brain believe otherwise.

2/12/13 4:15 PM
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KevinMcAllister -  “I’m planning on, win or lose, dropping down and win the 135-pound belt first before I go after the 145-pound title,” said Rousey. “I definitely want to win both belts and be the undisputed best woman fighter in the world in MMA.

“A fight with Cris Cyborg would be the most important of my career, and I want to treat it like the Olympic Games and be entirely peaked when that time comes. The 145-pound division doesn’t really have that many women signed in Strikeforce, so I’d be better off moving down and going for the 135 title. And once me and Cyborg finally fight it would be two titleholders against each other and the fight itself would even be a bigger deal.”


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That's a great quote by Rousey.

100% illustrates just how retarded all the Cyborg supporters are. (Well not really Cyborg supporters as much as Rousey haters)

Are some people really that stupid to not notice how different the Women's MMA landscape is since Rousey made that quote?

- Cyborg is NOT a title holder
- Women are in the UFC now (Thanks only to Rousey)
- There is no 145 division in the UFC

So now we have some really addle minded folks who are demanding that a UFC champ must go up in weight to fight at weight class that does not exist in the UFC. Not only that ... these morons defend a known cheat who is refusing to do what it takes to get down to the 135 limit. (Meaning losing some mass and stay off the juice)

Also funny that we have a clean fighter who is taking shots at a dirty fighter and all the imbeciles clamor to defend the dirty fighter.

2/12/13 5:16 PM
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RonFoster77 -  Cyborg walks at 165-170. If she is still roiding she is wrong no doubt BUT being heavy doesn't mean your on roids.. look at overeem his weight was the same just not as ripped. Every woman cant make 135 just because ronda and dana says so. You have look at a persons frame also. Cyborg is not a small woman roids or not. Phone Post

Ronda claims to have trimmed down to the point where she isn't cutting much weight at all to make 135.  She might have been a chubby 155 back in her judo days, and a little less chubby 145 when she began her MMA career, but she has clearly changed her body composition and easily makes 135 now and looks great doing it.  Why should she be expected to fight a chick who weighs 170? 

 

If there really is a 30 pound weight gap between them now, Cyborg and Ronda have no business fighting each other anyway.

2/12/13 5:56 PM
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KingofBJJ - I like Ronda, and like Gina she is very nice on the eyes. But like Gina, she has no chance to defeat Cyborg which is why she won't go up in weight. Her natural weigh is 154, which what she was during her Olympic bouts.

Those of you still bellyaching about Cyborg getting caught with PEDs, I have two words:

Chael Sonnen.

Just because she competed at 154lbs, doesn't mean she weighed that much and it certainly isn't her natural weight. We've all seen how chubby she was. Next lowest weight class is just under 139lbs and judoka don't tend to cut weight as far as I know. If they do it isn't like MMA or wrestling tends to be.
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RonFoster77 -  Cyborg walks at 165-170. If she is still roiding she is wrong no doubt BUT being heavy doesn't mean your on roids.. look at overeem his weight was the same just not as ripped. Every woman cant make 135 just because ronda and dana says so. You have look at a persons frame also. Cyborg is not a small woman roids or not. Phone Post

Ronda claims to have trimmed down to the point where she isn't cutting much weight at all to make 135.  She might have been a chubby 155 back in her judo days, and a little less chubby 145 when she began her MMA career, but she has clearly changed her body composition and easily makes 135 now and looks great doing it.  Why should she be expected to fight a chick who weighs 170? 

 

If there really is a 30 pound weight gap between them now, Cyborg and Ronda have no business fighting each other anyway.

Nobody at sakura cuts because what's the point? You weight in and then compete directly after. Phone Post
2/12/13 6:40 PM
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KingofBJJ - I like Ronda, and like Gina she is very nice on the eyes. But like Gina, she has no chance to defeat Cyborg which is why she won't go up in weight. Her natural weigh is 154, which what she was during her Olympic bouts.

Those of you still bellyaching about Cyborg getting caught with PEDs, I have two words:

Chael Sonnen.

That was 154 a few hours before fighting - NOT the day before.

Ronda actually moved to that class for the her last Olympic cycle (not to be confused with cyborgs cycles). Prior to that she fought in the class below which I think is about 138 of your old fashioned pounds.
2/12/13 6:56 PM
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KingofBJJ - I like Ronda, and like Gina she is very nice on the eyes. But like Gina, she has no chance to defeat Cyborg which is why she won't go up in weight. Her natural weigh is 154, which what she was during her Olympic bouts.

Those of you still bellyaching about Cyborg getting caught with PEDs, I have two words:

Chael Sonnen.

That was 154 a few hours before fighting - NOT the day before.

Ronda actually moved to that class for the her last Olympic cycle (not to be confused with cyborgs cycles). Prior to that she fought in the class below which I think is about 138 of your old fashioned pounds.

Correct. Nearly all of Ronda's titles/medals were at 138lbs. I find it funny that people love to make fun of her looking chubby like Chunk from Goonies when she was in the Olympics but then they try to act like that is her natural weight class once Cyborgs name enters the discussion.
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I find Rhonda annoying but Cyborg owes her entire career to being a steroid transformed man. I can't understand why anyone would support that fucking cheat.
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Nothing2 - What is with you kids? Do you all simply ignore facts because you don't like them and give each other atta boys no matter how ridiculous your statements? So she started heavy and then went down during her Judo career eh?

Let's look at Ronda's career:
2008 Olympics
Bronze 154lbs.

2007 World Championships
Silver 154lbs.

2007 Pan American Games
Gold 154lbs
Pan American Judo Championships
2006 Silver 138lbs
2005 Gold 138lbs
2004 Gold 138lbs.

Wow that contradicts what you to just said was fact eh? Gee how much did she weigh going into MMA?

2010 Tuff N Uff 145lbs
March 27, 2011 KOTC 145lbs
June 17, 2011 KOTC 150lbs.

She never reached 135lbs until she fought Tate.
So there's no reason for her not to fight at her normal weight between 145 and 154lbs.

You kids are too easy.
ROTFLMAO!!!!

You are an idiot. Have you ever seen a picture of Rousey at the Olympics? She is ridiculed for how chubby she looked on these boards. Yet somehow because she was around that weight almost 5 years ago and was really chubby it is her natural weight class? Roflcopter soi soi soi.
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No one is arguing Ronda can't weight 150 plus, you dummy.

The question is , if Ronda can cut from 154 plus pounds why can't cyborg. And the answer is steroids.
2/12/13 9:16 PM
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Nothing2 - What is with you kids? Do you all simply ignore facts because you don't like them and give each other atta boys no matter how ridiculous your statements? So she started heavy and then went down during her Judo career eh?

Let's look at Ronda's career:
2008 Olympics
Bronze 154lbs.

2007 World Championships
Silver 154lbs.

2007 Pan American Games
Gold 154lbs
Pan American Judo Championships
2006 Silver 138lbs
2005 Gold 138lbs
2004 Gold 138lbs.

Wow that contradicts what you to just said was fact eh? Gee how much did she weigh going into MMA?

2010 Tuff N Uff 145lbs
March 27, 2011 KOTC 145lbs
June 17, 2011 KOTC 150lbs.

She never reached 135lbs until she fought Tate.
So there's no reason for her not to fight at her normal weight between 145 and 154lbs.

You kids are too easy.
ROTFLMAO!!!!

You're right, she did much better at 154 than at 139 in judo - mainly because its a less competitive weight division.

But that's with weigh-ins an hour before competing. I suspect she'd agree to fight Cyborg at 140 (or even 145) if they had to weigh in one hour before they fought. I suspect Cyborg would refuse those conditions.

Its becoming pretty clear that Cyborg simply is a lot bigger than Rousey - its why she has to use PED's even to make 145, let alone 135, which Rousey makes easily. And with that much weight difference, shouldn't Cyborg be looking to fight bigger women, instead of Rousey?

If Cyborg was fighting at 155, she wouldn't have to cheat to make weight, problem solved.

If they were the same size, then Cyborg would make 135 as easily as Rousey does. And that just doesn't seem to be the case.

I have to admit, I'd be curious to see what happened if they fought at 145, with a weigh in an hour before they fought. I suspect Cyborg would be too drained to make it past the first round, while Rousey would be fine (she walks around at that weight).

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