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A proposal to regulate fighting sports in South Dakota has a key hearing Monday as opponents prepare to try to derail the most controversial part of the plan.

Sen. Mark Johnston, R-Sioux Falls, and others support creating a South Dakota Athletic Commission that would regulate sports such as boxing, kick-boxing and mixed martial arts. South Dakota has no such commission, meaning those events either avoid the state or happen without oversight.

The result, Johnston argues, is people getting hurt or even killed fighting in unsanctioned bouts. The athletic commission created in Senate Bill 84 would be able to create rules.

But Gov. Dennis Daugaard and others say the athletic commission would legitimize these violent sports and lead to more, not fewer, people getting hurt.

“I’m offended that the state would legitimize cage-fighting and the bloody violence that those kinds of spectacles create,” Daugaard said in January. “I think it’s interesting that we declare that it is a crime for one human being to strike another, and yet the state now proceeds to legitimize, and label a sport, cage-fighting.”

Rep. Steve Hickey, R-Sioux Falls, feels the same way. When SB84 comes up for a hearing at 10 a.m. Monday, he plans to offer an amendment he sees as a compromise — creating the athletic commission, but limiting it to sports such as boxing and traditional martial arts such as karate and judo. Mixed martial arts would be banned.

“The conversation on violence in society needs to start somewhere — why not with our most violent entertainment, and that’s mixed martial arts,” Hickey said. “There’s a reason two governors have been reticent to appoint a commission: It’s because they agree with me that elbowing a guy in the head, kneeing him in the face, is beyond where we need to go.”

The supporters of the athletic commission proposal aren’t getting on board with Hickey’s alternative. They defended mixed martial arts from Hickey’s characterization of it as unusually brutal.

Johnston said he appreciates Hickey’s “societal concerns” but disagrees with his judgment.

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In his personal blog, Hickey explicitly describes MMA as the child porn of sports, and links it to meth, sexual slavery, and a host of other evils.

I decided to pick a fight. Please read on because I need your help immediately.

The conversation on violence in society has to start somewhere so why not with our most violent sport or form of entertainment? Decent and civil societies have to draw the line somewhere; with smoking we draw the line after tobacco and before pot; with “adult entertainment” we draw the line at child porn. With violent combative “sports” I suggest we draw the line at cage fighting. The line should be drawn after boxing, wresting and legitimate martial arts. They are violent too but the line needs to be drawn somewhere. Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) or “cage fighting” is over that line – in fact, even the martial arts people I talk to tell me they hate cage fighting because it is a smear on legitimate martial arts.

MMA Cage Fighting is the child porn of sports. The psychological community will tell you that desensitization to violence works exactly like desensitization to porn. You know how porn progresses… a peek at topless isn’t enough, it all has to come off, then a pic is not enough… it goes to video then to virtual and then to the devaluation and mistreatment of women, human trafficking and sex crimes against women. Violence works the same way. Boxing wasn’t enough so they took the gloves off, then they allowed kicking, kneeing people in the head, then elbows to the face, then they put a cage around it. The point is to knock the other guy unconscious while pay per view crowds cheer it on. Why not nunchucks? In Rome they’d gather in colosseums and bring out prisoners and entertain themselves by making them fight to the death. That wasn’t enough so they brought out the helpless and the hated and brought in the hungry lions. Crowds cheered.

In South Dakota this week there is a bill, Senate Bill 84, which is an attempt to legitimize cage fighting in South Dakota. It’s billed as “economic development.” If that’s all we can come up with for economic development we are in trouble. And our decisions on our tolerance for things violent shouldn’t be about money. If we want to attract dirty and bloody money why not legalize prostitution or bring back the gladiators? We need to stop and think about why two governors in our state have been reticent to appoint people to a boxing/MMA commission.

Proponents say it’s going on here already so we need to regulate it to make it safe. Meth use is going on here too, should we regulate Meth labs?  South Dakota has no business spending any time or money legitimizing cage fighting.  I don’t care that “other states are doing it.” I’d like to think we are better. Other states run billion dollar deficits and we balance our budget. Maybe with our fiscal sense, we could also be known for our common sense and decency.

You’ll hear fans of cage fighting say that more have died in cheerleading accidents. The point of cheerleading isn’t to knock unconscious the other cheerleaders. And there are growing numbers of MMA deaths in sanctioned and unsanctioned fights. Furthermore, the sport is too new to tell us the long term effects of this “sport” on the fighters. The NFL is paying dearly now for their concussion issues. MMA is far worse. We had an MMA fighter in Rapid City die recently and that is in part what is driving the move now to regulate it so it’s “safe.” Proponents say these blood-soaked slugfests only look dangerous. I’m not stupid and neither are you and this isn’t a show like professional wrestling. It is violent and it isn’t a sign of a healthy society that crowds gather to watch it. This is more than consensual assault and battery as the effects of violence desensitization impact the rest of society.

Here’s how you can help. The bill is scheduled for a hearing on Monday at 10AM in our Commerce and Energy Committee (it may get moved to Wednesday at 10am – stay tuned). I plan to introduce a hoghouse amendment (84rc MMA ban amendment) that will establish the South Dakota Athletic Commission to regulate boxing, wresting and martial arts but I’ve written the amendment to expressly exclude mixed martial arts. It’s basically a ban on cage fighting in South Dakota. Expect hysterics from the sport enthusiasts – one local sportscaster already has dubbed me an ignorant idiot.

The committee members need to hear from people like you. Please email them asap and ask them to have the courage and common sense to draw the line a cage fighting and to support Rep. Steve Hickey’s hoghouse amendment on SB84 to ban it in South Dakota. Here is the quickest way to email them all – House Commerce and Energy Committee.

When people get hurt and die in extreme sports I’ll confess I sometimes have trouble mustering up sympathy and compassion (even as we should comfort their families and guys like me officiate these funerals). At some point we can’t call these things “accidents” as they are more the product of our carefully thought out decisions. I have to bite my tongue because instead of the passages that comfort the grieving I feel like quoting the great philosopher Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does.

South Dakota is smarter than this – and so, let’s ban MMA.

What’s on TV today would have been unthinkable a generation ago. In a restaurant the other day I heard a lady say about the MMA match on the television… Oh my, when did they take the gloves off?  I wanted to say… Madam, they took the gloves off when we weren’t watching. Folks, it’s time to start paying attention because we are creating today the world our grandkids will live in tomorrow.

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The legislator is astonishingly uninformed, describing it for example as having no gloves. Coherent and respectful attempts to bring some light to the Rep's mind would be appropriate. However upsetting, antagonistic posts will serve only to reinforce his judgement that MMA fans have fallen from grace with the lord and savior.

Also please feel free to reach out via email to the entire legislature, via email:
House Commerce and Energy Committee

Again, be polite. The Rep may be nuts, but crazy is as crazy does. So don't be like Rep. Hickey, be rational.


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Allowing boxing (which is deadlier) but banning MMA? Those old republican farts are the epitome of ignorance. Sheer, stunning ignorance.

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"The psychological community will tell you that desensitization to violence works exactly like desensitization to porn. You know how porn progresses… a peek at topless isn’t enough, it all has to come off, then a pic is not enough… it goes to video then to virtual and then to the devaluation and mistreatment of women, human trafficking and sex crimes against women."

This quote right here just took every bit of credibility, he ever hoped to have, away.

People in general who watch porn do not traffic women and commit sex crimes against them as a result of watching porn.

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard, but considering it comes from North Dakota, I can't say I'm all that surprised. The rural US has produced some of the dumbest people in the entire world.
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No shit. "Human cock fighting" was at least in the ballpark...
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"..I’m not stupid and neither are you and.."

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"more have died in cheerleading accidents"

"I’d like to think we are better...we could also be known for our common sense and decency"

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"this isn’t a show like professional wrestling"

"they hate cage fighting because it is a smear on legitimate martial arts."

"The line should be drawn after boxing, wresting and legitimate martial arts. They are violent too but.."

LOL - get your pockets lined much?
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Fucking moron. I wonder how the parents of children who have been exploited by that shit agree that MMA is analogous. Phone Post
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GarlicSauce - Allowing boxing (which is deadlier) but banning MMA? Those old republican farts are the epitome of ignorance. Sheer, stunning ignorance.

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^ fucking this

That guy was a little too quick with the child porn analogy and a little too detailed in his description of the progression from jacking it to lingerie ads to porn to trafficing in sex slaves.

Dollars to donuts he's a closet perv.
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The first response on Hickey's blog post is from none other than Shayna Baszler, and she completely eviscerates his entire argument.


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First of all, let me say, as a professional Mixed Martial Artist who makes their living being a professional, training 4-6 hrs a day, 6 days a week. The only female certified in Catch Wrestling in the US, a brown belt in brazilian jiu jitsu, an associate instructor in Muay Thai under Ajarn Chai and the Thai Boxing Association of the USA, I believe I have ample reason to be horribly offended and upset by your misinformed statements and distasteful comparison of my profession to “child porn.”

The amount of propaganda being slung in this article is appalling! Everything from the simple fact that the 2 pictures you show at the end aren’t even from the same realm, let alone fight. I don’t even know where to start….

I suggest getting the facts and stories straight. There has been only ONE recorded death in a professional event in the past 30yrs. Have there been deaths in unsanctioned events? Probably, I won’t argue that. But I WILL argue that one of the base reasons this happens is that they are exactly that: unsanctioned and unregulated. As in the case of the man you spoke of that recently died after an event in South Dakota, he died from a PRE-EXISTING condition that would have been detected during the testing that is required for professional, sanctioned events.

Statistically, MMA has FAR fewer concussions than any other combat sport popular today. (http://www.mmafacts.com/images/content/UFC_FighterSafety.pdf). The reason for this being that the point, contrary to what you said, is NOT to “render your opponent unconscious” as it is in boxing. Heck, in pure boxing, that is the ONLY goal. In that “gentlemen’s sport,” if you get knocked unconscious, they stand you back up, ask if you want to fight, and put you back out for your brain to get clicked off. AGAIN. In MMA, if you are unconscious, you are done. No standing 8 count, and in a SANCTIONED state, you are prohibited from competing until a CAT scan or MRI can be taken and shown to the commission showing it is safe.

Your ignorant propaganda stating we don’t wear gloves is just plain false. We wear gloves. Period.

It would serve you well to learn martial history as well. “Added in knees and elbows” is also misleading. Muay Thai is a much older sport than western boxing and has incorporated knees and elbows since it’s origins in kabri kabrong. It was the western boxers in Europe that TOOK OUT the knees and elbows because they couldn’t defeat the smaller eastern thai boxers using them.

Two points in closing, I have no problems if someone is against MMA or doesn’t like it, or because of social mores, can’t bear to watch it. I understand that not everything is appealing to everyone. Just get your facts straight and do some REAL research before making such misinformed statements against it.

Secondly, before you again claim that what I do is not something upheld by high professional standards, I invite you to follow me for a day as I work, teach, and train in the martial disciplines that I do. Anyone is free to do this. And afterwards, you are free to continue to dislike it. Just be educated about it before you claim that you have any sort of knowledge about the sport that qualifies you to regulate it, or ban it.
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Great response from Baszler. 

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He may not be able to watch porn without becoming a child rapist but he shouldn't judge everyone else by his own depraved standards. Phone Post
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Awesome comments from Shayna!

So tired of idiots having a platform to spew ignorant bs. The pedo analogy is sooo wildly inappropriate and offensive... he needs to be called out for such comments by as many people as possible. Phone Post

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