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2/26/13 9:20 AM
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how is this a fair weight?
2/26/13 9:23 AM
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Did he fight Bonnar, Griffin, and Irvin at 192 as well ?

Did Fedor say he would fight Hong Man Choi at 238# ? Phone Post
Exactly. He didn't have a problem fighting at lhw before, when he was fighting someone that he was almost guaranteed to beat,but now that he is fighting someone with a reasonable chance of beating him, he doesn't want to do it.

I think part of it is arrogance, where he actually believes he is king, and everyone should come to him, and part of it is fear, and he realizes that his stock could drop dramatically. Phone Post
Fedor was a hw already. With Machida and little Nog already at 205, Silva doesn't want to screw them over by possibly taking 205 over .... Phone Post

This is a fucking silly excuse. If he beats Jones, he can vacate the belt and move back to 185 full time. Nobody is going to force him to fight at 205 and screw his friends out of possible title shot.

2/26/13 9:58 AM
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Sounds like Ed speaking, not Andy. I reckon 200lbs is fair. Phone Post
2/26/13 10:30 AM
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I understand why Silva wants him at 192. That's probably Silva's best weight to fight at honestly. It's also going to be very very difficult for Jones to get there.

My problem with Silva asking for any "special treatment", catch weights, or anything other then big money for a super fight is he's the one asking for the fights. He's the one who doesn't have big paydays at his weight. He's the one who's cleaned the division out and at the end of his career. Not GSP or Jones. Silva is the one who wants these mega fights.

So he's the one who should have to make the changes. Not Jones or GSP. If someone was at a different weight always talking about wanting to fight Silva they'd need to get to 185.

He can ask for all this stuff. But it's not on Jones and GSP to give Silva what he's asking for. If Anderson wants a mega fight he's gonna have to go get it, not ask someone to come to him.

He's seeming more and more like a prima donna the longer the talks about these super fights go.

I'd love to see GSP go up or Jones go down and make this happen, but if I was their manager I'd fight like hell to talk them out of it. Neither guy needs Anderson right now. Anderson needs them.

The other factor is GSP and Jones (especially GSP) will need everything advantage they can get to beat him. Anderson is a killer. You don't go out of your way to fight that guy. You make him come to you.
2/26/13 10:48 AM
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What's next? He will fight Cain at 207 lbs? Phone Post
2/26/13 11:04 AM
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I often wonder why silva gets so much hate... is it that he doesnt entertain enough and people dont like his style of fighting? Is it that he has offended these people some how? Are they mad that he doesnt have a loss in hos ufc career so far? Is it that these people like to make out that hes scared and avoids competitors when hes never officially turned down a fight in the ufc? Or are these people just hating on the best mixed martial arts fighter to ever grace the octagon???

I remember a couple of years ago reading how anderson was scared of gsp etc etc etc... then it tirns out dana wanted him to fight gsp. Anderson agreed and all of a sudden hes a bully... lol if he wants a catchweight then whats wrong with that? Its only like jones not wanting to step up for cormier or gsp for silva... but wait... thats different right? Phone Post
2/26/13 11:05 AM
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Of course he is willing to meet Jones at 192. He knows it will never happen that's why.

awesomestprime pretty much summed it up in his above post. This entire super fight shit is all above Silva & him getting paid. That is it.

That is pretty sad really, when you are considered the P4P goat, that you need to manipulate two other fighters into a superfight because you need their drawing power. While gunning for the one in the lower weight class then the one in the higher weight class ( one at which he fought ).

2/26/13 11:21 AM
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Anderson likes to troll the media. He is very interested in making these super fights happen. He wants this fight because it will get him payed big time. But he isnt an idiot, he wont go fight someone in their own weight class where they have a huge advantage over him. He wants it to ve even. They should meet in the middle where its fair for both. I think 198-200 is a reasonable catch weight.
2/26/13 11:31 AM
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Fun fact:

 

Fedor is 6'0" with a 74" reach (some say 5'11.5")

Same as DAN HARDY.

 

Goat.


Fun fact:

Anderson Silva is 6'2" with a 77" reach.

2" SHORTER WITH 3" LESS REACH THAN COREY HILL.

Goat.

2/26/13 11:45 AM
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I think that broken leg of Corey hill took him out of the goat discussion. Phone Post
2/26/13 11:49 AM
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sparkuri -  I think that broken leg of Corey hill took him out of the goat discussion. Phone Post

But Dan Hardy is still in it?

2/26/13 12:04 PM
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sparkuri -  Lol.

Did he fight Bonnar, Griffin, and Irvin at 192 as well ?

Did Fedor say he would fight Hong Man Choi at 238# ? Phone Post

lol HMC sucks and he fucked Fedor's face up before he got armbarred, Cro Cop beat him way easier.

lol

another 12'r who missed the point

Why don't you explain for the third fucking time then? Phone Post

OK

 

 

Wah ???

I just di.....

 

OHHHHHHHHH....

I was comparing the situation, not the fighters. I doesn't matter what you believe about HMC, or the other 2 posters, because the fact is, he was a gigantic, dangerous, skilled man. And Fedor did it, although it wasn't easy.

And as far as Forrest and Bonnar, Andy took out those two TUF 2005 gatekeepers and asked for no one to change at weights. Same with Irvin. He's choosing wisely and using his power. He's protecting his legacy, because he actually cares about it.

To be honest, this is so stupid I'm not sure it's even true. The world has wanted to see Jones/Silva for years, but Silva will never fight him because it is a far too dangerous fight.

The world has seen what happens to a man's stock when he is late in his career and takes risky fights, and Anderson has been watching. Do you know how long it took Anderson to recover his stock from his losses ?

The money involved, well, it's a lot.

Ok.

HMC was not a dangerous opponent at all he has never beaten a top 50 fighter and was brought in to lose.... Please show me his MMA record?

As far as we are concerned Silva is a 185lb fighter and fought at 170lb in the past so him going up to 205 is a fucking treat who ever he fights, please name another champion who's doing this?

Didn't Forrest once own a title? With wins over Shogun and Rampage you know the pride superstars?

Silva is the greatest we will ever see that's not a opinion it is a fact. Phone Post

learn what a fact is.that is your opinion.tel him to fight jbj at a weight he has fought at and dominated before then maybe your opinion would be stronger.
2/26/13 12:12 PM
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jsize03 - This comment has absolutely nothing to do with Jones, and everything to do with GSP.

Silva won't go to 170. GSP doesn't seem to want to go to 185. There has been a lot of talk about a catchweight. Anderson offered to fight at 177 last October.

Hmmm.....177 is 7 lbs more than 170. 192 is 7 lbs more than 185. What a coincidence!! Anderson is telling GSP: "I'll go up 7 lbs to fight the champ, why won't you?"

Anderson is playing chess. You're all playing checkers.

gsp should ask him why he wont meet that champ in the middle as well
2/26/13 12:14 PM
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sparkuri -  I think that broken leg of Corey hill took him out of the goat discussion. Phone Post

But Dan Hardy is still in it?


A dyed mohawk will put you in that discussion.

2/26/13 12:24 PM
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Did he fight Bonnar, Griffin, and Irvin at 192 as well ?

Did Fedor say he would fight Hong Man Choi at 238# ? Phone Post
Exactly. He didn't have a problem fighting at lhw before, when he was fighting someone that he was almost guaranteed to beat,but now that he is fighting someone with a reasonable chance of beating him, he doesn't want to do it.

I think part of it is arrogance, where he actually believes he is king, and everyone should come to him, and part of it is fear, and he realizes that his stock could drop dramatically. Phone Post
Fedor was a hw already. With Machida and little Nog already at 205, Silva doesn't want to screw them over by possibly taking 205 over .... Phone Post

this by far is the lamest excuse of the million he has for not fighting jbj at 205!
2/26/13 12:34 PM
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Did he fight Bonnar, Griffin, and Irvin at 192 as well ?

Did Fedor say he would fight Hong Man Choi at 238# ? Phone Post
Exactly. He didn't have a problem fighting at lhw before, when he was fighting someone that he was almost guaranteed to beat,but now that he is fighting someone with a reasonable chance of beating him, he doesn't want to do it.

I think part of it is arrogance, where he actually believes he is king, and everyone should come to him, and part of it is fear, and he realizes that his stock could drop dramatically. Phone Post
Fedor was a hw already. With Machida and little Nog already at 205, Silva doesn't want to screw them over by possibly taking 205 over .... Phone Post

this by far is the lamest excuse of the million he has for not fighting jbj at 205!

Lame is a good word for it.

If Silva doesn't want to "screw over" Machida or Lil Nog he should just STFU about fighting him. Or take the 205 belt then vacate it.... Just because you take a belt doesn't mean you have to defend it.

Common sense is common sense
2/26/13 12:42 PM
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meekie01 -  I often wonder why silva gets so much hate... is it that he doesnt entertain enough and people dont like his style of fighting? Is it that he has offended these people some how? Are they mad that he doesnt have a loss in hos ufc career so far? Is it that these people like to make out that hes scared and avoids competitors when hes never officially turned down a fight in the ufc? Or are these people just hating on the best mixed martial arts fighter to ever grace the octagon???

I remember a couple of years ago reading how anderson was scared of gsp etc etc etc... then it tirns out dana wanted him to fight gsp. Anderson agreed and all of a sudden hes a bully... lol if he wants a catchweight then whats wrong with that? Its only like jones not wanting to step up for cormier or gsp for silva... but wait... thats different right? Phone Post

personally i think its because his division is sub-par compared to most the others and the guys in that division are not as well rounded or as dominate as guys in most other divisions.there is not nearly as many threats at 185 as there is other divisions...out of the 16 ufc fights i only felt maybe 6 of those guys ever belonged in there with him.we get mad because we want to see the best challenge them self. if there is nothing left for you to do then just go away.
to me the list of people jbj smashed already far exceeds andy's.
2/26/13 1:18 PM
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Let Dana get Mike Dolce' to help Jones safely make 192. Isn't that how it works? ***side eye***
2/26/13 2:13 PM
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jsize03 - This comment has absolutely nothing to do with Jones, and everything to do with GSP.

Silva won't go to 170. GSP doesn't seem to want to go to 185. There has been a lot of talk about a catchweight. Anderson offered to fight at 177 last October.

Hmmm.....177 is 7 lbs more than 170. 192 is 7 lbs more than 185. What a coincidence!! Anderson is telling GSP: "I'll go up 7 lbs to fight the champ, why won't you?"

Anderson is playing chess. You're all playing checkers.

gsp should ask him why he wont meet that champ in the middle as well

LMAO. You don't get it! That's what Silva wants. It's bait. Like I said....chess, not checkers. Gotta think one step ahead. Let me break it down for you.

AS: I'll go up 7lbs to fight the champ. Why won't you?
GSP: Why won't you meet the champ in the middle?
AS: OK, I will. So will you fight me in the middle too? (177.5lbs)
GSP: -_______-
2/26/13 2:14 PM
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Threads like these make me question the UG's sanity and mental capabilities.

YOU ARE ALL GETTING TROLLED.
2/26/13 2:18 PM
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People acting like 185 is so weak are living in 2005.

Fact is, NOBODY at any other weight class can go in and sweep up at Middleweight. If they could they would. Fighters DROP from Middleweight now and not just because of Anderson.

Shields beat Hendo, how long did he last at 85?

Where's Rich Franklin now? Where's Chael now?

Middleweight being weak is just an oft repeated forum thing that nobody has been able to capitalize on.

2/26/13 2:32 PM
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jsize03 - This comment has absolutely nothing to do with Jones, and everything to do with GSP.

Silva won't go to 170. GSP doesn't seem to want to go to 185. There has been a lot of talk about a catchweight. Anderson offered to fight at 177 last October.

Hmmm.....177 is 7 lbs more than 170. 192 is 7 lbs more than 185. What a coincidence!! Anderson is telling GSP: "I'll go up 7 lbs to fight the champ, why won't you?"

Anderson is playing chess. You're all playing checkers.

gsp should ask him why he wont meet that champ in the middle as well

LMAO. You don't get it! That's what Silva wants. It's bait. Like I said....chess, not checkers. Gotta think one step ahead. Let me break it down for you.

AS: I'll go up 7lbs to fight the champ. Why won't you?
GSP: Why won't you meet the champ in the middle?
AS: OK, I will. So will you fight me in the middle too? (177.5lbs)
GSP: -_______-
Too bad anderson already tipped his hand by saying he can make 170....oops.

He doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to gsp because he's not the draw and he's the one asking for the fight. Anderson will go on complaining about fighting weidman and pull 200k in ppv buys while gsp will be doing 700k plus against anyone in the division.

But none of it really matters because it's all just silva acting like a diva anyway. He will never fight gsp or jones because he knows he'll lose if he goes to either of their weightclasses and instead will continue throwing out stupid shit like unrealistic catch-weights and hypotheticals of dropping to ww. Phone Post
2/26/13 3:28 PM
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jsize03 - This comment has absolutely nothing to do with Jones, and everything to do with GSP.

Silva won't go to 170. GSP doesn't seem to want to go to 185. There has been a lot of talk about a catchweight. Anderson offered to fight at 177 last October.

Hmmm.....177 is 7 lbs more than 170. 192 is 7 lbs more than 185. What a coincidence!! Anderson is telling GSP: "I'll go up 7 lbs to fight the champ, why won't you?"

Anderson is playing chess. You're all playing checkers.

gsp should ask him why he wont meet that champ in the middle as well

LMAO. You don't get it! That's what Silva wants. It's bait. Like I said....chess, not checkers. Gotta think one step ahead. Let me break it down for you.

AS: I'll go up 7lbs to fight the champ. Why won't you?
GSP: Why won't you meet the champ in the middle?
AS: OK, I will. So will you fight me in the middle too? (177.5lbs)
GSP: -_______-

Gsp: ill believe it when i see it.then ill consider it.because ill have even less excuses and look real scared if i don't.

tell me this.why would andy go through all this dumb shit? why not just say un-like gsp ill meet john in the middle if the ufc wants me to fight him.gsp doesnt want to meet me in the middle but i will meet either guy rt in the middle.that is reasonable understandable.then both guys have a option.to do so or not.and thats that.

gsp thinks he is the best fighter 170 or below and many feel the same.i dont think he has the same confidence at a higher class yet.where as many feel andy is the best period.and he has fought in that weight class.so lets find out if he is the best at 205 and under.

1. gsp does not want that fight and there is at least 3 people for him to face in his division.

2 .the majority of people give gsp no chance vs andy,those same people think he will beat jbj easy as well.

3.so what fight do u want to see more? if i have chose its def silva vs jbj at 195-205.

2/26/13 3:38 PM
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If I were Jones I'd accept then cut to 215 and stop there.

Fucking LOL @ 192.   It's not even half way between their divisions.

 

Anderson apparently never wanting to fight who the UFC says, GSP flat out denying Hendricks, Aldo flat out refusing Pettis a title shot, Ronda doing a 180 on saying she would fight Cyborg after she won the belt...

What the FUCK is happening to this sport?

We all miss chuck Liddell right about now Phone Post
They aren't fighters anymore they are athletes cashing in Phone Post
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jsize03 - This comment has absolutely nothing to do with Jones, and everything to do with GSP.

Silva won't go to 170. GSP doesn't seem to want to go to 185. There has been a lot of talk about a catchweight. Anderson offered to fight at 177 last October.

Hmmm.....177 is 7 lbs more than 170. 192 is 7 lbs more than 185. What a coincidence!! Anderson is telling GSP: "I'll go up 7 lbs to fight the champ, why won't you?"

Anderson is playing chess. You're all playing checkers.

gsp should ask him why he wont meet that champ in the middle as well

LMAO. You don't get it! That's what Silva wants. It's bait. Like I said....chess, not checkers. Gotta think one step ahead. Let me break it down for you.

AS: I'll go up 7lbs to fight the champ. Why won't you?
GSP: Why won't you meet the champ in the middle?
AS: OK, I will. So will you fight me in the middle too? (177.5lbs)
GSP: -_______-

another thing andy said he can fight at various weights well and could make 170.so make 170 and fight if u want to so bad.he knows jbj would struggle far to much to get below 200-196.so what does that say about this goat.

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