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2/27/13 10:46 PM
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This stuff sound interesting keen to give it a try as my sleep is fucked.

Anyone tried it? Phone Post
2/27/13 11:26 PM
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it works for me. i know some people are going to come on here and claim that its bullshit, but it works for me. and i am EXTREMELY skeptical, and not a big supplement person at all...in fact i only take zinc, magnesium, vitamin d and use plain whey protein after workouts...no creatine, no preworkout mixes, no multivitamins, no greens powders, etc.

zma is the only thing i have ever tried that produces a noticeable effect. it gives me noticeably deeper sleep and more regular dreams. personally i dont buy zma anymore but rather just buy chelated zinc and magnesium separately and take 40mg zinc and 400mg magnesium every night. pretty sure its just the magnesium which is responsible for the better sleep, but zinc is good for male health in general so i take it too.
2/28/13 10:08 AM
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melatonin, 5-HTP (if you do this make sure to take> l-tyrosine in the morning.

I consume enough zinc and magnesium in my diet so I never saw a noticeable effect from ZMA. sort of like turducken.
2/28/13 12:53 PM
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ZMA makes me wake up at 3:30 in the morning, wide awake, and unable to return to sleep.

Not sure why.
2/28/13 3:08 PM
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on teh bottle of ZMA they say to take on an emplty stomach be fore bed. Now I train till 8pm then eat. In bed by 9:30 or 10pm.

Can you take ZMA right after working out. Would there be a disadvantage to this?
3/12/13 1:58 AM
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3/12/13 6:44 AM
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Made my normally good sleep sporadic and gave me the shits. Phone Post
3/12/13 2:43 PM
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Buy each ingredient separately as a chelated mineral so as to increase absorption. Add selenium to the mix as well... ive been doing this for a few weeks and have had improved sleep and boners. Phone Post
3/15/13 7:28 PM
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Steve72 - ZMA makes me wake up at 3:30 in the morning, wide awake, and unable to return to sleep.

Not sure why.

This! I just started taking ZMA and will probably stop thanks to this side-effect.

I'll probably try a different supplement with 5-HTP, melatonin and sam-e.
3/16/13 12:41 PM
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Steve72 - ZMA makes me wake up at 3:30 in the morning, wide awake, and unable to return to sleep.

Not sure why.

This! I just started taking ZMA and will probably stop thanks to this side-effect.

I'll probably try a different supplement with 5-HTP, melatonin and sam-e.

Melatonin used to do me the same way, then I found out that you only need to take 1 mg.

Most sleep aids with melatonin have from 3 to 6 mg. or more in them, I found one {Name Mid Nite} that only has 1 1/2 mg. so I break it in half.


Now I have no trouble going to and staying asleep, and I don't have all the crazy ass dreams that I was having when I was taking 6 mg. melatonin every night.

Hope all that makes since.
3/16/13 1:17 PM
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I've found that more zinc = wake up at 3am.

Cut the zinc dose in half and you should be ok.
3/16/13 1:36 PM
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Steve72 - ZMA makes me wake up at 3:30 in the morning, wide awake, and unable to return to sleep.

Not sure why.

This! I just started taking ZMA and will probably stop thanks to this side-effect.

I'll probably try a different supplement with 5-HTP, melatonin and sam-e.

i guess this goes to show that everyone reacts differently. when i take zinc + magnesium at night, i sleep like a rock. i mean total blackout sleep until the moment i wake up.
3/16/13 2:24 PM
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Wait it's used as a sleep aid?

I always thought it was used to promote test production Phone Post
3/16/13 2:33 PM
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WillyMaunawili -  Wait it's used as a sleep aid?

I always thought it was used to promote test production Phone Post

I have read that, don't know how true it is.
3/16/13 4:22 PM
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I think the idea was better rested equals more T. Phone Post
3/16/13 5:19 PM
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WillyMaunawili - Wait it's used as a sleep aid?

I always thought it was used to promote test production Phone Post
The two go hand in hand.

Better sleep= better test production b Phone Post
3/18/13 7:59 AM
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For later. Phone Post
3/18/13 10:51 AM
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WillyMaunawili -  Wait it's used as a sleep aid?

I always thought it was used to promote test production Phone Post

I have read that, don't know how true it is.

Zinc is required for testosterone production.
3/18/13 11:23 AM
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WillyMaunawili -  Wait it's used as a sleep aid?

I always thought it was used to promote test production Phone Post

I have read that, don't know how true it is.

Zinc is required for testosterone production.

This is good to know.
Thanks!
7/9/13 2:26 AM
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I started taking ZMA about 4 days ago.

I'm having lots of dreams and really solid sleep.
7/9/13 12:41 PM
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Steve72 - ZMA makes me wake up at 3:30 in the morning, wide awake, and unable to return to sleep.

Not sure why.

This! I just started taking ZMA and will probably stop thanks to this side-effect.

I'll probably try a different supplement with 5-HTP, melatonin and sam-e.

Melatonin used to do me the same way, then I found out that you only need to take 1 mg.

Most sleep aids with melatonin have from 3 to 6 mg. or more in them, I found one {Name Mid Nite} that only has 1 1/2 mg. so I break it in half.


Now I have no trouble going to and staying asleep, and I don't have all the crazy ass dreams that I was having when I was taking 6 mg. melatonin every night.

Hope all that makes since.

i believe that in most of the studies, they actually used 300mcg doses.... i have no idea why they sell such an overdosed product.
7/9/13 12:45 PM
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WillyMaunawili -  Wait it's used as a sleep aid?

I always thought it was used to promote test production Phone Post

I have read that, don't know how true it is.

well, magnesium helps you relax/sleep, and b-6 is used as a co-factor in stuff like serotonin, which would also make it easier to relax. many people sleep better on ZMA, but some people get crazy dreams and wake up early... the advice i've seen for them, is to back off on the dose, and see if it helps.


as far as helping testosterone production, zinc is an important co-factor there.


ZMA got popular when SNAC did a study that most athletes were deficient in these nutrients, and they had a rise in hormones after supplementing them. of course, SNAC is also the company that Victor Conte started, and he's the BALCO steroid guru as well.....



personally, i sleep better when taking ZMA, experience more "morning wood," and it's pretty cheap, too...
7/9/13 3:32 PM
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^ I forgot to mention the morning wood. It's absolutely fierce.

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