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3/1/13 12:06 PM
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Really would enjoy seeing somebody beat the piss out of Lloyd irvin.

Only problem is your average father of a member most likely couldn't.

3/1/13 12:06 PM
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This. 14 year old girls? Really? Wow

I'm a little confused concerning that bulletin from the cops, are they directly attributing that to LI? Or just to his school in general? What are the details and how is it connected to TLI?
Me too. If some of these things that are getting talked about are true, LI may be without excuse to escape prison. This is some insane gangster/cult stuff. Phone Post
3/1/13 12:12 PM
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No need to rape girls when you can turn them into mindless compliant androids...
Nice, fucked up, deplorable scam he had going for a long time it seems.
Graduate from gang rape into owning a bjj cult. Phone Post
3/1/13 12:16 PM
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Lets  see what spin Marcos Avellan has now


If Lloyd and his wife really are swingers, it makes you wonder about their "close" relationship with the Avellans.
3/1/13 12:19 PM
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Gangsterism and cronyism at its worst Phone Post
3/1/13 12:19 PM
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Holy shit.  What a fucking disgrace.

3/1/13 12:21 PM
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WhoRunsBarterTown - Goddamn it, someone find his fetlife profile!

Huh? What's that?

on a different thread there were hints that he is a member of a S&M club (or something, the website is that name with .com or .net or .org... ) local to the area. Could certainly be a troll profile if it's new, but I think someone screen capped it.
3/1/13 12:24 PM
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WhoRunsBarterTown - Goddamn it, someone find his fetlife profile!

Huh? What's that?

on a different thread there were hints that he is a member of a S&M club (or something, the website is that name with .com or .net or .org... ) local to the area. Could certainly be a troll profile if it's new, but I think someone screen capped it.

Screen caps please.
3/1/13 12:24 PM
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JORDON SCHULTZ STATEMENT

Recently a fellow team member came to me she was burdened and confused. She sought me out as a confidante a person she could trust. She had been battling with a situation morally inside her head. She explained the details of secret interactions she had with her martial arts instructor and employer.

She started with the question “Are you suppose to do anything to become a World Champion?” I replied, “Yes, there are sacrifices you must make to become a World Champion and you are going to have to do some things that other people won’t do to become a World Champion”. She began to cry as she explained.

She said that when she first joined the team she was given a set of rules. She was told exactly how she should act. Everyone on the team follows the principle of the Android. An Android does what they are commanded with no question and no hesitation. Whatever the Programmer says the Android does. According to the Martial Arts instructor this correlates to Martial Arts if the coach gives a commanded and the athlete hesitates or questions for a moment it can cost them the match. That is the importance of being an Android.

Second rule, your word is your bond. If you do not keep your word you are a liar. If you do not follow what you say you are a faker. If you do not keep your word you are definitely not serious about what you are trying to accomplish.

Third rule, confidentiality whatever you talk about with your instructor stays only between you and your instructor it is a form of trust. She explained the Instructor has been deceived and hurt a lot in the past so it was difficult to prove your trust and loyalty to your instructor.

When first coming to the team her instructor automatically judged her, told her that “I have a weird feeling that you are lying and you do not want to be a world champion, you came for alterior motives”

I noticed that the woman was always getting scolded or on thin ice with my martial arts instructor. She always seemed to be messing up tasks that were given to her as her job. She always seemed afraid that she was going to be kicked off the team and sent home. Every team member that comes from another state can be kicked off the team and sent home at any time. Any member of the team will confirm this. This is a consequence that looms over all the athletes.

At one point I thought she really was being sent home.

She had been trying to tell me, and others. She asked us hypothetical questions like “would you do ANYTHING to be a world champion” and she’d tell me she did some things she wouldn’t normally do but her instructor asked her to do it and he said she was proving he can trust her. She explained the things she did for her instructor was a test to see if she would really do anything to be a world champion. That she would keep her word to him and do anything he asked her to do. And she would do it without hesitation to prove her loyalty and that she was an android. I always thought it was something different, like she messed with someone’s credit card or something but I was so wrong.

Her instructor would both ask and instruct her to do sexually inappropriate things with him. Re-affirming his instructions with things like “I thought you said you wanted to be a world champion, and you said you would do anything I tell you to do without hesitation”. He would make her repeat to him over and over that she loved him like a script.

If she ever hesitated or questioned he would call her a liar and say that she didn’t really want to become a world champion and she wasn’t serious about her goals.

This activity went on for a couple months and then he asked her is she would give herself to him sexually, and if she would have sexual intercourse with him.

That’s when she broke down and came to me she was so wrapped up and confused about the tests and hazing she came to me for guidance. And I am happy she did so that nothing else bad happened to her.

What he has asked of her and made her do is disgusting and abusive. I am so grateful she came to me and I was able to open her eyes.
To explain to her that it was wrong, that she did not have to do those things to prove she really wanted to be a world champion.

I think, but cannot confirm that there are other victims on the team. I would see the instructor sleeping in the same hotel room in the same bed at tournaments with other female teammates. Multiple teammates have also been called to his room to give him massages alone together with him in a hotel room, which I always thought was a little inappropriate considering he is there Martial Arts Instructor.

I trained with the team for over a year. 6 months into my stay there I was offered a unpaid mentorship as his internet assassin, and I would be trained to do internet marketing.

The rules on the team were “no inter team dating” and “you always follow instructions 100%” now that I think about it, both rules together breed the perfect environment for the martial arts instructor to take advantage of his female students sexually. Dangle the dream of being a world champion in front each member of the team to control their every move.

The instructor never did anything to me, the training environment was not the healthiest at times, but I was never harmed. And I cannot speak for other male members, but each has their own story. In addition several of my teammates have left the environment within hours of hearing the story I told them. This confirms that each of them had their own suspicions of what was going on.

I was in charge of a project to make several websites, with the soul purpose of covering up the google search results of keywords.

I now realize that it was wrong to do that. And people need to be informed before they choose to associate with the instructor.

I apologize to the female team member and the other female team members I have spoken about. I had to break her trust and warn others about the situation. She confided in me and was not ready to tell anyone about it. But as my moral responsibility the world needs to know. And I encourage anyone who has been affected or controlled by Lloyd Irvin to speak out.

In closing, I have left the team for good, I have ended all ties with team lloyd Irvin and will never have anything to do with it again in any capacity. I came to the team
thinking it would be the best thing for me, plenty of good training partners, hard training, and to learn marketing. I was a fool, and I apologize to anyone that may have been affected by my actions while on the team.

Jordon Schultz


I believe what the guy is saying is probably true or at least has some basis in reality but I also think this is more rats leaving a sinking ship. And that is exactly what they are at this point, rats. How do you in good conscious put up websites for the purpose of "covering up google search results of keywords" to suppress Irvin's involvement in the gang rape of a 17 year old? You don't, at least not in good conscious.
3/1/13 12:30 PM
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Of course you don't buy rape search terms in good conscience. That's why Schultz says in the next line "I now realize that it was wrong to do that. And people need to be informed before they choose to associate with the instructor."

Schultz obviously knew it was wrong when he was doing it. He ain't no saint, for sure. But at least he fired the shot that brought everything down for good and emptied the TLI house, even if it was very, very late in the day. Others who remained silent or complicit until the end don't even have that. They are going to have to ask themselves why they stuck until the very end without ever taking a stand.

"Black belt psychology" indeed. "Basic integrity psychology" would have been a better course. Too late for that now.
3/1/13 12:38 PM
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3/1/13 1:04 PM
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bonkers.... and where are these screen shots?!
3/1/13 1:07 PM
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Mighty Cthulhu - Of course you don't buy rape search terms in good conscience. That's why Schultz says in the next line "I now realize that it was wrong to do that. And people need to be informed before they choose to associate with the instructor."

Schultz obviously knew it was wrong when he was doing it. He ain't no saint, for sure. But at least he fired the shot that brought everything down for good and emptied the TLI house, even if it was very, very late in the day. Others who remained silent or complicit until the end don't even have that. They are going to have to ask themselves why they stuck until the very end without ever taking a stand.

"Black belt psychology" indeed. "Basic integrity psychology" would have been a better course. Too late for that now.

And if none of this would have ever been brought to the public's attention what would he be doing right now?

The guy tried to help Irvin cover up his participation in the gang rape of a 17 year old. A person that crosses that line has no moral compass. What do you think he is going to do at this point? The websites threw fuel on the fire. They have been universally ridiculed and condemned. He is the joke of a human being that put them up. The guy is a rat leaving a sinking ship and he is trying to cut his losses by disassociating himself with Irvin.
3/1/13 1:07 PM
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did Fuzzy's 'cuckold club" thread disappear?
3/1/13 1:25 PM
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holy fuck

 

3/1/13 1:27 PM
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This GIF is awesome Phone Post
3/1/13 1:49 PM
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AHHHHHHHH HA HA HAH HA HA HA!!!! AMAZING!


ha! there you are.. amazing work on this brother i was hoping you wouldn't mind the remix

VTFU
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3/1/13 2:09 PM
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Wow, I really hope that scumbag goes to prison and they throw away the key...
3/1/13 2:17 PM
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http://www.lloydirvin.com/adult/bjj/affiliates.html

This list current? Don't see Morcos Avellan there. I'm not trying to call anyone else out- I'd just be seriously disappointed in certain other good people who would continue to be associated with him.
3/1/13 2:17 PM
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I have never been a fan of lloyd. Always knew something was off about him. Can't stand his "business" bullshit. Can't stand how he comes across in interviews either. If the allegations are true I hope he sees the inside of a cell
3/1/13 2:24 PM
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Mighty Cthulhu - Of course you don't buy rape search terms in good conscience. That's why Schultz says in the next line "I now realize that it was wrong to do that. And people need to be informed before they choose to associate with the instructor."

Schultz obviously knew it was wrong when he was doing it. He ain't no saint, for sure. But at least he fired the shot that brought everything down for good and emptied the TLI house, even if it was very, very late in the day. Others who remained silent or complicit until the end don't even have that. They are going to have to ask themselves why they stuck until the very end without ever taking a stand.

"Black belt psychology" indeed. "Basic integrity psychology" would have been a better course. Too late for that now.

And if none of this would have ever been brought to the public's attention what would he be doing right now?

The guy tried to help Irvin cover up his participation in the gang rape of a 17 year old. A person that crosses that line has no moral compass. What do you think he is going to do at this point? The websites threw fuel on the fire. They have been universally ridiculed and condemned. He is the joke of a human being that put them up. The guy is a rat leaving a sinking ship and he is trying to cut his losses by disassociating himself with Irvin.

What Schultz did was wrong, no doubt. But look at his apology - brutally honest, takes personal responsibility, and apologizes for his actions. This, coming from a young guy who was an employee/intern following orders of his superiors (not an excuse, just to indicate that he didn't get personal benefit from doing the deed).

Compare that to Irvin, who participated in a much more heinous action - a crime no less - and his "apology" which was a blathering, CYA disgrace. He took no responsibility and deflected any blame with "I was young, everyone makes mistakes."
3/1/13 2:30 PM
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Philanderer - http://www.lloydirvin.com/adult/bjj/affiliates.html

This list current? Don't see Morcos Avellan there. I'm not trying to call anyone else out- I'd just be seriously disappointed in certain other good people who would continue to be associated with him.
Marcos named his son after Lloyd, I'll be surprised if he leaves TLI Phone Post
3/1/13 3:12 PM
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