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3/8/13 9:13 AM
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A few days ago, the news of the first transgender female in mixed martial arts, on record, was brought to the attention of the sports community in the form of a 37 year old fighter named Fallon Fox. Immediate concern for the safety of her opponents has become the focal point of discussion, in addition to the mounting concerns about the legality of her licensure. Does she have a significant physical advantage, since she was once biologically a male? Furthermore, does she pose a higher risk to the women she faces in the cage? Should she legally be allowed to fight professionally?

Admittedly, I have been on the fence about this, leaning toward the side of caution. I have medically rooted questions about Fallon's current physiology that I need answered before I can even consider the possibility of supporting her being allowed into the cage again. I reached out to several physicians, to be the 'expert witnesses' in the court of public opinion.

 
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3/8/13 9:19 AM
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I don't care what has been done in the last 6-7 years, she shouldn't be fighting girls. I don't think that a girls punch or kick can do as much damage to her as it could to a real girl
3/8/13 9:22 AM
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3/8/13 9:26 AM
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3/8/13 9:27 AM
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Aaron Becker - I don't care what has been done in the last 6-7 years, she shouldn't be fighting girls. I don't think that a girls punch or kick can do as much damage to her as it could to a real girl



MB: Most measures of physical strength minimize, muscle mass decreases, bone density decreases, and they become fairly comparable to women in their musculature. After as much time as has passed in her case, if tested, she would probably end up in the same muscle mass category as her biologically born female counterpart.

3/8/13 9:28 AM
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we could all go out and knock girls out if we turn our dicks inside out
3/8/13 9:29 AM
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Hillary Williams:

I competed against her in 2010 and nothing, behavior, strength, etc. would have clued me into her being anything other than biologically female. Not to mention the doctors showing her levels are good. Gender and sexual identity are so much more complicated than the scientifically illiterate like to accept, and if she's happy this way while phenotypically female (including hormone levels), well I wish her the best.

3/8/13 9:32 AM
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Nice read. Phone Post
3/8/13 9:32 AM
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How many women have that kind of size naturally? I don't believe changing the plumbing gets rid of the natural ability given to men since birth. That guy had all his childhood and teen years to get a man's muscle development and it shows. all those hormones haven't changed it like those guys are saying. Look at the pic.
3/8/13 9:32 AM
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Aaron Becker - we could all go out and knock girls out if we turn our dicks inside out
You apparently can't read Phone Post
3/8/13 9:35 AM
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Aaron Becker - I don't care what has been done in the last 6-7 years, she shouldn't be fighting girls. I don't think that a girls punch or kick can do as much damage to her as it could to a real girl



MB: Most measures of physical strength minimize, muscle mass decreases, bone density decreases, and they become fairly comparable to women in their musculature. After as much time as has passed in her case, if tested, she would probably end up in the same muscle mass category as her biologically born female counterpart.


"fairly comparable" is not the same thing as "no advantage"
3/8/13 9:37 AM
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Perfect example of how the science should lead the opinion. I, myself, though she would have a distinct physical advantage, but after reading the experts testimony I now completely agree with Miss Fallon and think she should be allowed to compete in WMMA. Cheers, great read.
3/8/13 9:43 AM
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Aaron Becker - I don't care what has been done in the last 6-7 years, she shouldn't be fighting girls. I don't think that a girls punch or kick can do as much damage to her as it could to a real girl



MB: Most measures of physical strength minimize, muscle mass decreases, bone density decreases, and they become fairly comparable to women in their musculature. After as much time as has passed in her case, if tested, she would probably end up in the same muscle mass category as her biologically born female counterpart.


"fairly comparable" is not the same thing as "no advantage"
It's called being diplomatic with a response when generalizing. This doctor probably has never met Fallon but is using her experience with her past patients to draw likely conclusions. Phone Post
3/8/13 9:45 AM
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Even though the science says its probably ok, inside it still feels wrong.
3/8/13 9:47 AM
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biased doctors will be biased towards their kind of patients. It's good for business
3/8/13 9:47 AM
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TheOne - Even though the science says its probably ok, inside it still feels wrong.

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID
3/8/13 9:47 AM
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I won't watch. Phone Post
3/8/13 9:48 AM
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Aaron Becker - we could all go out and knock girls out if we turn our dicks inside out

Ignorant statement is ignorant.
3/8/13 9:49 AM
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Johnzandt - Perfect example of how the science should lead the opinion. I, myself, though she would have a distinct physical advantage, but after reading the experts testimony I now completely agree with Miss Fallon and think she should be allowed to compete in WMMA. Cheers, great read.

You are voted up for being an intelligent human.
3/8/13 9:49 AM
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"MB: Most measures of physical strength minimize, muscle mass decreases, bone density decreases, and they become fairly comparable to women in their musculature. After as much time as has passed in her case, if tested, she would probably end up in the same muscle mass category as her biologically born female counterpart"

Most measures....fairly comparable.....probably end up

The needle on my bullshit meter is all the way in the red. Phone Post
3/8/13 9:50 AM
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Fallon's opponent from her last fight:

 

3/8/13 9:52 AM
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TheOne - Even though the science says its probably ok, inside it still feels wrong.

Science the art of making people believe shit they know in their heart is wrong.
3/8/13 9:55 AM
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aw hellll no
3/8/13 9:57 AM
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3/8/13 9:57 AM
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You want to talk science, let's see some independent research on the matter, not only testimony of people who profit from the procedure.

Lets also see his actual levels measured and evaluated by people not in the sex change business instead of accepting, "yeah, it's probably safe."

If you want to get all scientific and stuff.. Phone Post
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