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jerky66 - I could care less what gays do but am getting sick and tired of all of this gay rights activist bullshit. I care as much about what Rashaad thinks about this issue as I care about how Matt Damon likes communism, Beyonce and Jay-Z love Obama, or any other persons opinion outside of the scope of their actual profession. Just because Rashaad is a fighter does not mean he has any more insight on this than anyone else. In fact, I would venture to say that he is probably less informed than most on this subject.

Gay activist do not want rights because they already have them. They now want people to bend to their lifestyle and if you don't some typical left wing ass hole will jump in and and start trying to bully and name call you into submission.

I would be fine with them if they just wanted to be left to their own devices but that is not what they want.

QFT.

wow.........these are two people who really do need to face up to the fact they want a cock in their ass ^


Do you ever get tired of being stupid? Using that logic [or lack of] Bill Maher is a closet Christian.

Ass holes like InspiritMick are what I was talking about. Stupid jackass. You disagree and they come right in and start name calling and saying stupid shit. Then they start dropping the Hitler comparisons when Hitler was a Socialist who they would probably agree with on most things. How many of these idiots speaking up for gays hate Israel? A lot of them I would suspect

Like I said if you don't go all out in support of these people they act like idiots. They want preference not equal treatment. You notice I said they should have the right to be left alone but that's not enough for these ass holes.


For the idiot using Hitler comparison and other things you know nothing about; go to hell!

You and other gay supporters are just as guilty with the petty name calling. You want respect you got to give it.
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jerky66 - I could care less what gays do but am getting sick and tired of all of this gay rights activist bullshit. I care as much about what Rashaad thinks about this issue as I care about how Matt Damon likes communism, Beyonce and Jay-Z love Obama, or any other persons opinion outside of the scope of their actual profession. Just because Rashaad is a fighter does not mean he has any more insight on this than anyone else. In fact, I would venture to say that he is probably less informed than most on this subject.

Gay activist do not want rights because they already have them. They now want people to bend to their lifestyle and if you don't some typical left wing ass hole will jump in and and start trying to bully and name call you into submission.

I would be fine with them if they just wanted to be left to their own devices but that is not what they want.

QFT.

wow.........these are two people who really do need to face up to the fact they want a cock in their ass ^


Do they?? or is it more likely you are subconsciously gay?...you are subconsciously offended by their opinion you just don't know it.
I am subconsciously gay for you. Stupid turns me on! Phone Post
3/11/13 6:57 PM
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It's really hilarious and wonderful the level of douchebagery in this thread.... it's guys like this that motivate me to fight Phone Post
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Bible verses and "reverse bigotry" allegation? You clowns don't have a leg to stand on
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ridge hand - all these self created living gods sharing their infinite wisdom with their creation


In the beginning was the Word...and the Word was God (John 1:1)

I have made the earth, and created man upon it (Isa. 45:12)

I have set before thee...good...and evil (Deut. 30:15)

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Lev. 18:22)

I have set before you life and death...therefore choose life (Deut. 30:19)

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? (Rom. 9:20)

shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? (Isa. 29:16)

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither...effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 6:9-10)

Preach the word...For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine...And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Tim. 4:2-4)


The bible was really into slavery too, maybe you think we should bring that back?

Regarding the emancipation of slaves, Jewish slaves were to be freed after six years, except those who were born by the female slave. Female slaves, sold into slavery by their fathers, would be slaves forever. And the cost of freeing a slave was calculated using the number of years to the next Jubilee Year, ranging between 1 and 50 years.

Exodus 21:1-4 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself."
Deuteronomy 15:12-18 "And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the Lord thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him."
Exodus 21:7 "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do."

Regarding the beating and killing of slaves, the Book of Exodus contains laws regarding punishment for the one who kills the slave as well as injunctions to avoid injuring the eyes and teeth.

Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."
Exodus 21:26-27 "And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake."

The Book of Leviticus prohibited the harsh ruling over other Israelites, but that slaves could be taken from the Gentiles.

Leviticus 25:44-46 "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."

Also, in Leviticus, a distinction is made between the hired servant and the slave.

Leviticus 25:48-53 "After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him: Either his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself. And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubilee: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him."
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Slaves were to undergo circumcision.

Genesis 17:13 "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant."
Genesis 17:27 "And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him."

Female captives are considered spoils of war.

Deuteronomy 21:10-14 "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her."
Deuteronomy 20:14 "But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself"

The punishment for sexual activity with a female slave who is engaged consisted of animal sacrifice in the Temple. There is no comment on sexual activity with one who is not married or engaged.

Leviticus 19:20-22 "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him."

It is not permitted to return an escaped slave, nor was it permissable to "oppress" him.

Deuteronomy 23:15-16 "Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee: He shall dwell with thee, even among you, in that place which he shall choose in one of thy gates, where it liketh him best: thou shalt not oppress him."

The Book of Numbers makes references to thousands of female captives who were to be given to the priests.

Numbers 31:28-47 "And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep: Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the Lord. And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons, of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the Lord."
Mark 14:66 "And as Peter was beneath in the palace, there cometh one of the maids of the high priest."
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There were restrictions on reselling slaves. Apparently a Hebrew slave could not be resold.

Exodus 21:8 "If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money."

If one were to purchase his own brother into slavery, laws in Leviticus prevent treating him as other slaves, but rather as a guest or servant. The Living Bible refers to "a fellow Israelite" rather than "brother."

Leviticus 25:39 "And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant: But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubilee: And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return."

The Books of Exodus and Deuteronomy mention that the punishment for kidnapping an Israelite and selling them into slavery is punishable by death. And a debtor who could not pay back creditors could be sold into slavery or have his children sold.

Exodus 21:16 "And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death."
Deuteronomy 24:7 "If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you."
II Kings 4:1 "Now there cried a certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophets unto Elisha, saying, Thy servant my husband is dead; and thou knowest that thy servant did fear the Lord: and the creditor is come to take unto him my two sons to be bondmen."

Slaves could, themselves, own slaves. Saul's slave Ziba owned 20 slaves of his own: 2 Samuel 9:10: "...Now Ziba had fifteen sons and twenty servants."

The Sabbath applied to slaves as well.

Exodus 20:10 "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates."

The New Testament did not forbid or alter the institution of slavery, nor did it improve their conditions.

1 Corinthians 12:13 "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."
Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Colossians 3:11 "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."
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Good for Rashad

Hopefully more people come out (no pun) to support marriage equality
3/11/13 8:33 PM
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Glad, I know what a former fading champion thinks about gay marriage. Hopefully someone can track down Oleg Taktarov and asks him what he thinks about America's immigration issues.
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Good for Rashad.





THE HOMOSEXUAL CHOICE CHALLENGE.

For all those heterosexuals that claim homosexuality is a choice.

Assuming it is indeed choice, I challenge you to make that choice for ten minutes and prove it's a choice. Watch a male gay porno. While watching the gay porno, get hard, think about joining in on the man-on-man action you are watching. Ponder sucking a thick, turgid, throbbing 8-inch cock. Picture yourself playing goal-post in a three-way with men. Be the top, the bottom, or both. Whatever kind of gay-fantasy you choose. Now. Masturbate to climax. Just one (1) time, for a total of ten (10) minutes. "Choose" to be gay.

I've got a thousand bucks that says a heterosexual male cannot "choose" to be gay for even ten minutes.

Good luck to you.

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i will start this off by stating that i believe any couple straight or gay has the right to be happy. Reading through this there seems to be a lot of intolerance from the people who try to say they are evolved more level headed thinkers. Some said that gays are treated like they are sub human from straight people and that is simply not true. Biologically it's not possible for 2 men or 2 women to create a life so why should they receive the same tax benefits of a man and a woman who create a child. If you are gay you can't naturally reproduce and stimulate the economy with Someone who will later contribute to society, that's a fact. correct me but don't most gays want to be allowed to be married in a church? A court marriage or a civil union is not enough and for people to harass religious people for not believing in gay marriage you are contradicting your entire stance. The term marriage was founded by the church and it a ceremony under god and through god therefor the church has full rights to dictate who can perform their ceremony in their establishment. Secondly there is no religion on earth that has ever been specifically for gay marriage The fact that most fight for the title of marriage or where they can get married is ridiculous and should not affect how much you love the person your"re with. Someone said people are born gay and i would love for someone to provide concrete evidence that this is a true scientific finding cause as far as I'm concerned choosing who you're attracted to is a choice. There are many social issues that need to be addressed so why this one seems to take a higher priority then others is beyond me.
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There were restrictions on reselling slaves. Apparently a Hebrew slave could not be resold.

Exodus 21:8 "If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money."

If one were to purchase his own brother into slavery, laws in Leviticus prevent treating him as other slaves, but rather as a guest or servant. The Living Bible refers to "a fellow Israelite" rather than "brother."

Leviticus 25:39 "And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant: But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubilee: And then shall he depart from thee, both he and his children with him, and shall return unto his own family, and unto the possession of his fathers shall he return."

The Books of Exodus and Deuteronomy mention that the punishment for kidnapping an Israelite and selling them into slavery is punishable by death. And a debtor who could not pay back creditors could be sold into slavery or have his children sold.

Exodus 21:16 "And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death."
Deuteronomy 24:7 "If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you."
II Kings 4:1 "Now there cried a certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophets unto Elisha, saying, Thy servant my husband is dead; and thou knowest that thy servant did fear the Lord: and the creditor is come to take unto him my two sons to be bondmen."

Slaves could, themselves, own slaves. Saul's slave Ziba owned 20 slaves of his own: 2 Samuel 9:10: "...Now Ziba had fifteen sons and twenty servants."

The Sabbath applied to slaves as well.

Exodus 20:10 "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates."

The New Testament did not forbid or alter the institution of slavery, nor did it improve their conditions.

1 Corinthians 12:13 "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."
Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Colossians 3:11 "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."
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You're so right. If you can't reproduce, you shouldn't be given basic human rights. All those women who can't bear children and all those sterile men should be stripped of their marriage status. Also, any couple that has made the CHOICE to not have children should have their marriages nullified. Also, marriage is religious... wait, what religion are we saying it is? Oh ya, christian... Marriage is a christian ceremony, so all non christians should have their marriage statuses taken away. And also, if you weren't married in a church. And no other civilization has ever allowed gay people to marry before... well, ok, there have been lots. But lets not think about the Romans or Greeks or Chinese or any of that. It's irrelevant. We're talking about AFTER the christians started burning people for being gay; when has there ever been gay marriage since then? that's right, never! Check mate. Also, since marriage is a religious union, lets make sure the government doesn't sanction it, since there's a clear separation between state and religion... wait, forget that last part. Let's just not let the gays get married. It makes me feel uncomfortable.
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I am saying if you are against gay people because the bible says so, you should be in favor of slavery too.

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I am saying if you are against gay people because the bible says so, you should be in favor of slavery too.


And good ol' wholesome incest too. And you should also be cool with giving your daughters up to mobs of horny rapists
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I don't give two shits about this and why is it the main topic on the news page after already being on the main page for days now?

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For those folks that adhere to the position that "Gays already have all the same rights as everybody else, they just want preferential treatment."

Incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

Only nine (9) States allow gay marriage.

Marriage as both a legal institution and as a civil right, has serious repercussions upon couples in regards to the following issues:

1) Inheritance and estate issues.
2) Health insurance.
3) Adoption.
4) Taxes.
5) Medical-legal issues. Partner dying, hospital does not recognize long-term same-sex "mate" in any regard. Visitation, life-support, etc...

The "playing field" for couples intent on marriage is not even close to even between straight and gay couples.




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"I don't give two shits about this and why is it the main topic on the news page after already being on the main page for days now?"


Because so many people who don't give a shit about it are clicking on it and generating a ton of traffic
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ShawnTheBadger - For those folks that adhere to the position that "Gays already have all the same rights as everybody else, they just want preferential treatment."

Incorrect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

Only nine (9) States allow gay marriage.

Marriage as both a legal institution and as a civil right, has serious repercussions upon couples in regards to the following issues:

1) Inheritance and estate issues.
2) Health insurance.
3) Adoption.
4) Taxes.
5) Medical-legal issues. Partner dying, hospital does not recognize long-term same-sex "mate" in any regard. Visitation, life-support, etc...

The "playing field" for couples intent on marriage is not even close to even between straight and gay couples.





That this isn't common knowledge blows my mind
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Jive Turkey - You're so right. If you can't reproduce, you shouldn't be given basic human rights. All those women who can't bare children and all those sterile men should be stripped of their marriage status. Also, any couple that has made the CHOICE to not have children should have their marriages nullified. Also, marriage is religious... wait, what religion are we saying it is? Oh ya, christian... Marriage is a christian ceremony, so all non christians should have their marriage statuses taken away. And also, if you weren't married in a church. And no other civilization has ever allowed gay people to marry before... well, ok, there have been lots. But lets not think about the Romans or Greeks or Chinese or any of that. It's irrelevant. We're talking about AFTER the christians started burning people for being gay; when has there ever been gay marriage since then? that's right, never! Check mate. Also, since marriage is a religious union, lets make sure the government doesn't sanction it, since there's a clear separation between state and religion... wait, forget that last part. Let's just not let the gays get married. It makes me feel uncomfortable.

When did i say that should have their basic rights taken away? I pointed out 1 tax break a man and woman can attain by being married and having kids. If a man or a woman can't have kids, guess what they don't get that tax break. You don't hear them whining saying it's not fair and they should be allowed to have it. Marriage is in Judaism and Islam as well as many others, it's not solely a christian practice... Some of the famous Greek and roman mythology punished people for practicing homosexuality so again no religion widely accepted it. I mean you can count the sex slaves of the time when young boys were molested against their will if you want to use that to stake your argument. It doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all to see them happy, what makes me feel uncomfortable is how people are pursuing a title to label the love they have for each other and the persecution that religious people get for defending their views. Please stop acting like gay people are treated like the equivalent of slaves in the 1800's where they are dragged out into the streets and hung. Or they are Jewish people who have been ostracized by society and been sent off to die. They are not deprived of as many right as you make them out to be.
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You're wrong about it being punishable in ancient Greece and Rome. Read ShawntheBadger's post if you want to see what basic rights are being taken away (not once was I referring to your 'one tax break').
Religion DOES NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY ON MARRIAGE. If it's sanctioned by the state, it isn't religious.
And the three religions you mentioned aren't even the same. So your logic gets thrown out the door. You're going to be spontaneously inclusive off all religions (even ones at odds with your own) because it protects your feeble definition of marriage?
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DogtownKai - This thread has made me dislike homos and homosexual sympathizers even more than before. Such ridiculous creatures. Didn't think you could do it gayboys, but you did. What's on Bravo tonight?


How old are you? Serious question
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This thread went full retard once the religion aspect was brought into this cuz it all goes downhill once the religious arguments are brought into this and then the people who hate Jesus fire back on cue...
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Thuglife13 - This thread went full retard once the religion aspect was brought into this cuz it all goes downhill once the religious arguments are brought into this and then the people who hate Jesus fire back on cue...

Well if Jesus wasn't a hateful asshole then all the guys who made the shit up they wrote in the bible certainly were
3/11/13 10:08 PM
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The religious scholarship on display here is top-notch. Wow, y'all should be seminary professors. Phone Post

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