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3/13/13 3:42 PM
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I hear he has called people personally to dissuade them from pressing charges against him

Also, bringing the original victim under his wing while paying for the accused lawyers seems fishy.

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3/13/13 3:49 PM
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(C) prevent the communication by any person to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings; Phone Post
3/13/13 3:49 PM
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if you only have to pick 1 ,then yes

3/13/13 3:58 PM
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As bad as it sounds someone needs to get to that girl and get her the fuck away from him Phone Post
3/13/13 4:02 PM
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3/15/13 11:59 AM
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Did i read that right? He is paying for Schultz and Maldanado's lawyers?!?!?!? Phone Post
3/15/13 3:26 PM
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That's crazy. How does he justify paying for their lawyers? How can anyone back him knowing he is backing those 2?
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Why does anyone care enough about a private legal matter? This isn't Days of Our Lives.

Let's get back to training discussions.

Because he run an organization who has two accused rapist in it. Ran by an accused rapist that was trained by a rapist. A man that uses his power to push woman into sleeping with him while he's married. Claims to support the tape victim but pays for the lawyers for the accused rapist. Fuck him and fuck you. Phone Post
3/15/13 4:02 PM
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He is paying for legal defense while coaching the victim. It's not a good place to be Phone Post
3/15/13 4:19 PM
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Doesn't there need to be charges for it to be considered witness tampering? Phone Post
3/15/13 4:24 PM
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Magic Mago - Doesn't there need to be charges for it to be considered witness tampering? Phone Post
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3/15/13 4:43 PM
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Why does anyone care enough about a private legal matter? This isn't Days of Our Lives.

Let's get back to training discussions.

Because he run an organization who has two accused rapist in it. Ran by an accused rapist that was trained by a rapist. A man that uses his power to push woman into sleeping with him while he's married. Claims to support the tape victim but pays for the lawyers for the accused rapist. Fuck him and fuck you. Phone Post

 

 

 


Yes, but what has that got specifcially got to do with you? Are you related to the witnesses? are you, or were you a part of his organization? do you live in his city? If you play soccer in Maine, and some soccer coach in California is accused of coaching two rapists, do you spend the good part of your day trying to post online about it? Of course not, it has nothing to do with you. I COULD be wrong. Perhaps you have some direct experience I do not know about.

 

 

 

LOL @ "using his power" to sleep with married women. Just LOL at your gullibility.  WHO CARES?  Why do you care?  You are so gullible to think that these married women that sleep with these guys aren't sluts? Good for him if he can get these married chicks to sleep with him.  I know for a fact that none of my close friends's wives would cheat on them, and definitely not sleep with a Lloyd Irvin type. They have morals. And they aren't sluts. Perhaps when your wives are borderline tattoed porn queens, have boob jobs, and like "fighters", these things happen more frequently. Sleaze attracts sleaze.

I don't agree with his approach, but I cannot see how, or why this affects anyone not in his city, organization, etc. It's just anonymous Internet gossip.

This is a BJJ forum and the talks should be BJJ related, not 1000000 posts about LI.

Clearly you are to dumb to sway away from being a scumbag. Also I said he was married not she. Phone Post
3/15/13 4:47 PM
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Nothing forcing anyone to click on the thread Phone Post
3/15/13 5:11 PM
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Does federal statute apply in this case? I don't know if it's DC, MD or if there was a "crossing state lines to commit" component. But I think in that (c) citation, the reason why the words "of the United States" and "federal" are included to infer the relevance of jurisdiction.
3/15/13 5:19 PM
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Yea I had a blonde moment. Phone Post
3/15/13 5:41 PM
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Why does anyone care enough about a private legal matter? This isn't Days of Our Lives.

Let's get back to training discussions.

Because he run an organization who has two accused rapist in it. Ran by an accused rapist that was trained by a rapist. A man that uses his power to push woman into sleeping with him while he's married. Claims to support the tape victim but pays for the lawyers for the accused rapist. Fuck him and fuck you. Phone Post

 

 

 


Yes, but what has that got specifcially got to do with you? Are you related to the witnesses? are you, or were you a part of his organization? do you live in his city? If you play soccer in Maine, and some soccer coach in California is accused of coaching two rapists, do you spend the good part of your day trying to post online about it? Of course not, it has nothing to do with you. I COULD be wrong. Perhaps you have some direct experience I do not know about.

 

 

 

LOL @ "using his power" to sleep with married women. Just LOL at your gullibility.  WHO CARES?  Why do you care?  You are so gullible to think that these married women that sleep with these guys aren't sluts? Good for him if he can get these married chicks to sleep with him.  I know for a fact that none of my close friends's wives would cheat on them, and definitely not sleep with a Lloyd Irvin type. They have morals. And they aren't sluts. Perhaps when your wives are borderline tattoed porn queens, have boob jobs, and like "fighters", these things happen more frequently. Sleaze attracts sleaze.

I don't agree with his approach, but I cannot see how, or why this affects anyone not in his city, organization, etc. It's just anonymous Internet gossip.

This is a BJJ forum and the talks should be BJJ related, not 1000000 posts about LI.


hey lloyd chill out bro

 

3/15/13 6:06 PM
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Why does anyone care enough about a private legal matter? This isn't Days of Our Lives.

Let's get back to training discussions.

Because he run an organization who has two accused rapist in it. Ran by an accused rapist that was trained by a rapist. A man that uses his power to push woman into sleeping with him while he's married. Claims to support the tape victim but pays for the lawyers for the accused rapist. Fuck him and fuck you. Phone Post

 

 

 


Yes, but what has that got specifcially got to do with you? Are you related to the witnesses? are you, or were you a part of his organization? do you live in his city? If you play soccer in Maine, and some soccer coach in California is accused of coaching two rapists, do you spend the good part of your day trying to post online about it? Of course not, it has nothing to do with you. I COULD be wrong. Perhaps you have some direct experience I do not know about.

 

 

 

LOL @ "using his power" to sleep with married women. Just LOL at your gullibility.  WHO CARES?  Why do you care?  You are so gullible to think that these married women that sleep with these guys aren't sluts? Good for him if he can get these married chicks to sleep with him.  I know for a fact that none of my close friends's wives would cheat on them, and definitely not sleep with a Lloyd Irvin type. They have morals. And they aren't sluts. Perhaps when your wives are borderline tattoed porn queens, have boob jobs, and like "fighters", these things happen more frequently. Sleaze attracts sleaze.

I don't agree with his approach, but I cannot see how, or why this affects anyone not in his city, organization, etc. It's just anonymous Internet gossip.

This is a BJJ forum and the talks should be BJJ related, not 1000000 posts about LI.

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3/15/13 10:24 PM
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Those guys didn't have the same connection to our community Phone Post
3/15/13 10:36 PM
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I think one aspect is which individuals constitute a threat to the community and to what degree.

Heel Hooker, you mentioned you hate Lloyd. Can you be briefly touch upon the reasons? Phone Post
3/15/13 11:18 PM
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Why does anyone care enough about a private legal matter? This isn't Days of Our Lives.

Let's get back to training discussions.

Because he run an organization who has two accused rapist in it. Ran by an accused rapist that was trained by a rapist. A man that uses his power to push woman into sleeping with him while he's married. Claims to support the tape victim but pays for the lawyers for the accused rapist. Fuck him and fuck you. Phone Post

 

 

 


Yes, but what has that got specifcially got to do with you? Are you related to the witnesses? are you, or were you a part of his organization? do you live in his city? If you play soccer in Maine, and some soccer coach in California is accused of coaching two rapists, do you spend the good part of your day trying to post online about it? Of course not, it has nothing to do with you. I COULD be wrong. Perhaps you have some direct experience I do not know about.

 

 

 

LOL @ "using his power" to sleep with married women. Just LOL at your gullibility.  WHO CARES?  Why do you care?  You are so gullible to think that these married women that sleep with these guys aren't sluts? Good for him if he can get these married chicks to sleep with him.  I know for a fact that none of my close friends's wives would cheat on them, and definitely not sleep with a Lloyd Irvin type. They have morals. And they aren't sluts. Perhaps when your wives are borderline tattoed porn queens, have boob jobs, and like "fighters", these things happen more frequently. Sleaze attracts sleaze.

I don't agree with his approach, but I cannot see how, or why this affects anyone not in his city, organization, etc. It's just anonymous Internet gossip.

This is a BJJ forum and the talks should be BJJ related, not 1000000 posts about LI.


yea the whole " how dare you talk about it". Because that has done the whole L.I situation so much good for the community before. Clap clap clap.
3/16/13 1:49 AM
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PrisonMattressPuncher is just bored from trolling the OG, ignore him guys.
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Why does anyone care enough about a private legal matter? This isn't Days of Our Lives.

Let's get back to training discussions.

Because he run an organization who has two accused rapist in it. Ran by an accused rapist that was trained by a rapist. A man that uses his power to push woman into sleeping with him while he's married. Claims to support the tape victim but pays for the lawyers for the accused rapist. Fuck him and fuck you. Phone Post

 

 

 


Yes, but what has that got specifcially got to do with you? Are you related to the witnesses? are you, or were you a part of his organization? do you live in his city? If you play soccer in Maine, and some soccer coach in California is accused of coaching two rapists, do you spend the good part of your day trying to post online about it? Of course not, it has nothing to do with you. I COULD be wrong. Perhaps you have some direct experience I do not know about.

 

 

 

LOL @ "using his power" to sleep with married women. Just LOL at your gullibility.  WHO CARES?  Why do you care?  You are so gullible to think that these married women that sleep with these guys aren't sluts? Good for him if he can get these married chicks to sleep with him.  I know for a fact that none of my close friends's wives would cheat on them, and definitely not sleep with a Lloyd Irvin type. They have morals. And they aren't sluts. Perhaps when your wives are borderline tattoed porn queens, have boob jobs, and like "fighters", these things happen more frequently. Sleaze attracts sleaze.

I don't agree with his approach, but I cannot see how, or why this affects anyone not in his city, organization, etc. It's just anonymous Internet gossip.

This is a BJJ forum and the talks should be BJJ related, not 1000000 posts about LI.


yea the whole " how dare you talk about it". Because that has done the whole L.I situation so much good for the community before. Clap clap clap.

I scroll down the 1st page of this forum and see at least 9 posts about Lloyd. In fact the first 3 threads right now are about Lloyd. I think people justlike  to see others fall. All I am saying is that, beyond the first discussions when it was revealed, I have no interest on coming on Atama BJJ forum and seeing 9 posts about some scumbag I will never meet. Time to move one. I don't need people updating me on Lloyd's every move from now on. It's turning into a soap opera and people that really have no involvement with him and no reason to keep posting about it like schoolgirls, still do.

Oh god seeing post is a real pain in the ass ha ha. I've never seen you in Atama discussion Phone Post
3/16/13 11:15 AM
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"I think people justlike to see others fall."

I understand the cynicism, but why does it apply to Lloyd. If it is because of his success, why weren't people cheering when Marcelo's gym got flooded? If something bad happened to Rener or Ryron do you think even half as many people would be happy? Or Kesting, Roy Dean?

In fact, I think you would see the community come together and try to help them. The simple fact is that there are many successful martial artists who people feel are great ambassadors to the sport. Not necessarily representing BJJ to the outside world, but especially those of us who are far below their level.

And while it is true that some are attracted to train wrecks, look at the outporing of support that Terere got. This attraction should be clearly distinguished from the desire for someone to fail.

At the end of the day, many would prefer those who peddle shady business practices to just stop screwing people and give back to the community after coming clean and making those who were screwed, whole. People have done this, taken their lumps, and been embraced again because that is the nature of a strong and fair society.

When there is criminal stuff... if the allegations of hazing and abuse are true, then it's really bad. This is different than the "is this guy a real black belt?" threads.

Why? Because consider this... take Lloyd's account regarding the rape of the 17 year old and the NYE incident at face value for a minute. Keenan expressed reservations about bringing his sister out there. At a minmum, the PERCEPTION of the Medal Chasers was that they split in the middle of the night. These guys and the guy who wrote the letter why were as "on the inside" as it gets. By all accounts they left a world class team, coach, facilities etc... all the good stuff Lloyd says... they just split.

The fact that there seems to be a lot left unspoken about this is as important as what has been said.

That makes it a lot different than people just hating success, imo. Many people are successful and do not get a fraction of the flack. Some people are unsuccessful and associate themselves and get blasted. So, there is more to it than simple hate.
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3/16/13 11:43 AM
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I hate seeing what happened, particularly to the victims, but also to someone I respected a lot. I never looked deeply into Lloyd's marketing stuff so I was never put off by it, but I respected him based on limited interaction with him many years ago and on the results his team achieved.

So I hate to see one of our own fail so badly and scheme so diabolically.

At the same time, as polarizing as he was before the NYE crime, its no surprise that its such big news now. Phone Post
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