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3/16/13 10:48 AM
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Sometime trainer to GSP Freddie Roach offered some interesting words on Nick Diaz.

"He's a tough guy, ok," said Roach. "He won't tap out and he's a tough guy. I've never met the person. He might be one of the better punchers in UFC, but he doesn't fight like a fighter. He doesn't shuffle in his combinations and doesn't put any power behind his shots. He walks forward in a straight line and he walks backward in a straight line.

"I'm not really that impressed with his boxing. But, a lot of the UFC guys are from a different background than a boxing program. Most of them are wrestlers and they are more comfortable with the ground game. I'm training "Shogun" Rua right now and he's punching like crazy right now. He can hit with both hands. But, when I first got him, he hit like a girl."

"So Diaz, he walks forward with combinations. If you walk forward in a straight line he will kill you. But, the thing is that you just can't let him do that. You can't give him momentum."

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3/16/13 10:53 AM
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3/16/13 10:56 AM
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'hits like a girl'. 18 KO's (out of 21 wins), with 15 in the first round. Hits like a girl. Phone Post
3/16/13 10:59 AM
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RobinVanRooney - Lol @ Shogun hitting like a girl.

Compared to an elite pro boxer his weight...Shogun hits like a girl
3/16/13 11:00 AM
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LyotoBundy -  'hits like a girl'. 18 KO's (out of 21 wins), with 15 in the first round. Hits like a girl. Phone Post

KOing MMA fighters and grapplers...not elite strikers
3/16/13 11:02 AM
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People are getting crazy about this hitting like a girl thing. he was just getting the point across that shogun is much more improved power wise. there appeared to be some fundamental mistakes that have been tweaked. the point of the matter is that the training has been effective. not an insult or a compliment. just a statement
3/16/13 11:06 AM
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freddie roach is awesome
3/16/13 11:10 AM
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There are a few things with respect to Shogun's punching power as compared to a boxer.

Shogun can follow a guy down and continue beating on him. This means that you can get a KO or TKO a little easier (with strikes) in MMA than boxing. This is actually one of the reasons why MMA is safer - if you go down and can't defend yourself the fight is over. In boxing they let you get back up, recover your senses, and you're allowed to continue in many cases.

Boxers who have KO power really do strike harder than Shogun.

If Shogun's ability to strike really has improved AND it gels well with his MMA skills things will bode well for him. I'm hoping however that it's not a case of improved striking at the cost of incorporating that striking with everything else.
3/16/13 11:16 AM
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LyotoBundy -  'hits like a girl'. 18 KO's (out of 21 wins), with 15 in the first round. Hits like a girl. Phone Post

KOing MMA fighters and grapplers...not elite strikers
Rampage, Diabaté, Overeem, Chuck, Lyoto... Not dominant strikers? A K1 heavyweight champion. Phone Post
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un3rgr0und - freddie roach is awesome

3/16/13 11:18 AM
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un3rgr0und - freddie roach is awesome


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3/16/13 11:20 AM
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LyotoBundy -  'hits like a girl'. 18 KO's (out of 21 wins), with 15 in the first round. Hits like a girl. Phone Post

KOing MMA fighters and grapplers...not elite strikers
Rampage, Diabaté, Overeem, Chuck, Lyoto... Not dominant strikers? A K1 heavyweight champion. Phone Post

He didn't stand with Diabate, he soccer kicked  him on the ground. He never dropped Overeem standing. Iirc he didn't drop Rampage with punches but with knees, and he didn't KO him in any case. Chuck was teetering on retirement and coming off several KOs.

 

3/16/13 11:22 AM
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a good street fighter haha
3/16/13 11:28 AM
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People see something negative in Roaches comments about Shogun "hitting like a girl" but imagine him now. Imagine Shogun STILL improving. It's not a negative thing.

3/16/13 11:29 AM
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LyotoBundy -  'hits like a girl'. 18 KO's (out of 21 wins), with 15 in the first round. Hits like a girl. Phone Post

KOing MMA fighters and grapplers...not elite strikers
Rampage, Diabaté, Overeem, Chuck, Lyoto... Not dominant strikers? A K1 heavyweight champion. Phone Post

He KOd Rampage with knees, he KOd Diabate with footstomps.

As for K-1 champ...

http://youtu.be/-6RNjOVylos

Ray never got KOd like that in K-1 until he was well past his prime and only once. All of his losses were either corner stoppages or TKOs via legkicks, he was known for his granite chin in K-1 and a journeyman boxer launched him out of the ring

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Roach analyzes everything from purely a boxing perspective, so take it all with a grain of salt when he speaks of MMA fighters.

But be respectful, the guy knows boxing, and he knows it better than anyone on these forums. Phone Post
3/16/13 11:36 AM
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Like GSP hasn't studied tape. Nick is predictable.

People know GSPs game plan but can't stop it.

I expect more of the same. Phone Post
3/16/13 11:37 AM
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Not a single GSP or Diaz comment lol Phone Post
3/16/13 11:39 AM
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Ben Folds - this guy doesn't know what he's talking about
It's you who doesn't know what your talking about. Do you know who Freddie is? Phone Post
3/16/13 11:46 AM
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scary thought that shogun ko's ppl but was not punching properly.. even scarier is that he is being taught how to punch properly by 1 of the best boxing coaches in the world... i feel bad for lil nog lol Phone Post
3/16/13 11:49 AM
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Ben Folds - this guy doesn't know what he's talking about
Just an FYI, Roach's pro record is 40 W and 13 L. He's trained close to 30 world boxing champions and a whole list of MMA fighters.

He's easily one of the best top five trainers of all time. Phone Post
3/16/13 11:51 AM
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RobinVanRooney - Lol @ Shogun hitting like a girl.

Compared to an elite pro boxer his weight...Shogun hits like a girl
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3/16/13 11:51 AM
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Thatsjustlikeyouropinionman - Oh snap he said shogun hit like a girl! I wonder what he hits like now. Phone Post
He's only been with Roach a short period of time so he probably doesn't het like a man yet. Probably somewhere in between like a tranny or fag or something. Phone Post
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I love listening to Freddie talk about boxing. Phone Post
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Deuce77 - Once again, Roach is slooowly becoming senile.

Parkinson's doesn't make you senile, don't confuse physical symptoms with mental sharpness.

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