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3/19/13 9:50 AM
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BigWilliam
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I hate watching Askren fight, but he has a point. If GSP fights the way he has been recently then Askren would decision him.

I have to think that Jackson would have a smarter plan than that though. Use GSP's wrestling defensively and beat Ben up on the feet.
3/19/13 5:03 PM
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bjjdna - lol at the nonfight knowing Askren haters.

Askren would take down GSP/Diaz/etc/etc and win the control/position game against ANY ww in the division

Nobody at the WW division will be able to stop Ben's TDs, and once you're on the ground with Ben, there is little chance you're gonna get back up.

It's simple...if you fight Ben, you're gonna get taken down and beat down. Every fighter knows his game and NOBODY can stop it.

Johnny Hendricks beat askren in a wrestling match in '02. Pretty sure askren isnt an unstoppable wrestler... and he definately doesnt have hendricks's left hand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6GLBdhLw5E
3/19/13 5:12 PM
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bjjdna - lol at the nonfight knowing Askren haters.

Askren would take down GSP/Diaz/etc/etc and win the control/position game against ANY ww in the division

Nobody at the WW division will be able to stop Ben's TDs, and once you're on the ground with Ben, there is little chance you're gonna get back up.

It's simple...if you fight Ben, you're gonna get taken down and beat down. Every fighter knows his game and NOBODY can stop it.

wrong and most would get back up and drop him. See Jay Hieron

3/19/13 5:49 PM
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I'm not falling for it. Lots of tough talk, then two guys avoiding fighting for 25 minutes.
3/19/13 6:04 PM
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bjjdna - lol at the nonfight knowing Askren haters.

Askren would take down GSP/Diaz/etc/etc and win the control/position game against ANY ww in the division

Nobody at the WW division will be able to stop Ben's TDs, and once you're on the ground with Ben, there is little chance you're gonna get back up.

It's simple...if you fight Ben, you're gonna get taken down and beat down. Every fighter knows his game and NOBODY can stop it.

Johnny Hendricks beat askren in a wrestling match in '02. Pretty sure askren isnt an unstoppable wrestler... and he definately doesnt have hendricks's left hand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6GLBdhLw5E

Yea I've already seen that match but thnx for posting.

Ben's not an unstoppable wrestler. He's just a better wrestler than Hendricks now - in addition to everyone else in the WW div. Ben wrestled internationally and became the best in the nation - a huge leap above Div 1 All American status.

That said - Johnny's power will be a real problem for anyone including Ben. Johnny is going to put GSP to sleep with that power and has the best chance to beat Askren out of all other WWs imo.

So after Ben spanks GSP, maybe he gets his revenge match against Johnny for the UFC belt.
3/19/13 6:13 PM
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bjjdna - lol at the nonfight knowing Askren haters.

Askren would take down GSP/Diaz/etc/etc and win the control/position game against ANY ww in the division

Nobody at the WW division will be able to stop Ben's TDs, and once you're on the ground with Ben, there is little chance you're gonna get back up.

It's simple...if you fight Ben, you're gonna get taken down and beat down. Every fighter knows his game and NOBODY can stop it.

wrong and most would get back up and drop him. See Jay Hieron


First of all, Jay Hieron is a very talented fighter despite his losses and lack of respect from the UG. Ben beat Jay 4/5 rounds and convincingly controlled Jay for 3/5 rounds.

The final round was all Jay, but he did no damage to Ben and only scored with that spinning side kick.
3/19/13 6:15 PM
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lol at the votes down from the Askren haters
3/19/13 6:17 PM
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bjjdna - lol at the votes down from the Askren haters
I didn't vote you down, but one hardly has to be a "hater" to know that Askren has literally no keys to victory against GSP. Phone Post
3/19/13 6:20 PM
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Good luck.

Better wrestlers have thought the same thing and been proven wrong every time.
3/19/13 6:21 PM
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you all underestimate grappling greatness of teh funk
3/19/13 6:21 PM
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bjjdna - lol at the nonfight knowing Askren haters.

Askren would take down GSP/Diaz/etc/etc and win the control/position game against ANY ww in the division

Nobody at the WW division will be able to stop Ben's TDs, and once you're on the ground with Ben, there is little chance you're gonna get back up.

It's simple...if you fight Ben, you're gonna get taken down and beat down. Every fighter knows his game and NOBODY can stop it.

wrong and most would get back up and drop him. See Jay Hieron


First of all, Jay Hieron is a very talented fighter despite his losses and lack of respect from the UG. Ben beat Jay 4/5 rounds and convincingly controlled Jay for 3/5 rounds.

The final round was all Jay, but he did no damage to Ben and only scored with that spinning side kick.

Jay is alright, if he can take a round from Askren, COndit and Rory can take more.

 

Hendrick beats his face in and GSP just beats him

3/19/13 6:22 PM
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bjjdna - you all underestimate grappling greatness of teh funk

So Ben does things No other man above him in MMA can deal with is what you're syaing they're all powerless at his new style and technique of grappling.

 

Bullshit

3/19/13 6:25 PM
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He has a reach advantage over one guy, Henricks and it's 2 inches. In the big leagues it takes more than Grappling

3/19/13 6:38 PM
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Hendricks, Ellenberger, condit, koscheck, and macdonald would all kick his ass. Phone Post
3/19/13 6:42 PM
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"He has a reach advantage over one guy, Henricks and it's 2 inches. In the big leagues it takes more than Grappling"

Not necessarily. Hendricks' punches didn't win him that fight against Condit, his takedowns did. Same goes for Kampmann for that matter. Rory has won several of his fights with nothing but grappling. So have lots of guys. What sport are you watching? I'm pretty sure the #1 complaint is that all you have to do to win is take the guy down.

3/19/13 6:47 PM
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Uh really? Arian Foster of the NFL is a cupcake right? Your premise is actually one of the dumber things posted today on teh interwebs! Congrats! you won it! A athlete that gets adequate protein levels via vegetables is no weaker than one who eats meat and animal products.
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"He has a reach advantage over one guy, Henricks and it's 2 inches. In the big leagues it takes more than Grappling"

Not necessarily. Hendricks' punches didn't win him that fight against Condit, his takedowns did. Same goes for Kampmann for that matter. Rory has won several of his fights with nothing but grappling. So have lots of guys. What sport are you watching? I'm pretty sure the #1 complaint is that all you have to do to win is take the guy down.

 

Yeah but name the champ with one dimension only in his game.

 

GSP has won with strikes, Silva has won grappling, Bendo, Aldo, Cruz, Cain, Jones. Jds, Chuck Lidell defined stopping one sided skill, Franklin could do both, Matt Hughes could even do both.

 

Where's the current dominat champ that uses one skill? Yes Askren has a shot to beat Rory and COndit I'm not saying them winning is 100% but I favour them over a guy with no subs and no striking who would back up faced with those guys and lose his momentum in Takedowns.

3/19/13 6:50 PM
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GSP would not out wrestle Askren. That is fantasy. This fight should happen though
3/19/13 6:51 PM
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Furthermore Chael doesn't have the succes he did in the first Silva match without some of the striking he used. Vitor doesn't get an almost W without Grappling on JJ and is known as a striker. 

The only reason Chris Weidman is even considered a shot more than Chael is his power and level changing that is even better than Chael's. Same with Hendricks.

3/19/13 6:57 PM
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Mixing it up and level changing to keep fighters off balance is the definition of top 5 UFC skill. Askren can dominate the minors all he wants and the people who want GSP out of the champ spot will put all of their eggs in his basket like they did with Diaz who's second dimension in terms of BJJ was exposed as nothing to brag about on Saturday. Condit did better and with his striking almost came way with a win. Even if Askren can wrestle better than GSP or Hendricks, he's not controlling the top 5 long enough to avoid what Condit almost ended GSP with, He doesn't have the experience of defensive prowess to stop it and until he's tested I won't buy his stock except against weak wrestlers.

3/19/13 7:03 PM
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SJax - Uh really? Arian Foster of the NFL is a cupcake right? Your premise is actually one of the dumber things posted today on teh interwebs! Congrats! you won it! A athlete that gets adequate protein levels via vegetables is no weaker than one who eats meat and animal products.

lol forum mistake?

3/19/13 7:10 PM
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Look Rory, Condit and Diaz are obviously the three Askren has the best chance to use his one dimension enough to win a decision, yes I can more than see that.

 

But 9/10 Hendricks beats Askren, they both have had ample time to improve wrestling equally since Hendricks beat him in NCAA in 2002. Even if Askren is slightly better it's not enough to decide a fight with Hendrick power and accuracy at this point and Askren's head is a big target.

GSP is declining since the Knee injury so his fight with Hendricks will tell me everything I need to know in how far and fast he's falling. If he loses badly to Hendricks, Askren has a good shot to beat GSP, if GSP shuts out Hendricks grappling, Askren loses to GSP over and over.

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ChaosOverkill -

Look Rory, Condit and Diaz are obviously the three Askren has the best chance to use his one dimension enough to win a decision, yes I can more than see that.

 

But 9/10 Hendricks beats Askren, they both have had ample time to improve wrestling equally since Hendricks beat him in NCAA in 2002. Even if Askren is slightly better it's not enough to decide a fight with Hendrick power and accuracy at this point and Askren's head is a big target.

GSP is declining since the Knee injury so his fight with Hendricks will tell me everything I need to know in how far and fast he's falling. If he loses badly to Hendricks, Askren has a good shot to beat GSP, if GSP shuts out Hendricks grappling, Askren loses to GSP over and over.

Rory? I think he'd beat him up pretty badly on the feet. Phone Post
3/19/13 7:52 PM
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Look Rory, Condit and Diaz are obviously the three Askren has the best chance to use his one dimension enough to win a decision, yes I can more than see that.

 

But 9/10 Hendricks beats Askren, they both have had ample time to improve wrestling equally since Hendricks beat him in NCAA in 2002. Even if Askren is slightly better it's not enough to decide a fight with Hendrick power and accuracy at this point and Askren's head is a big target.

GSP is declining since the Knee injury so his fight with Hendricks will tell me everything I need to know in how far and fast he's falling. If he loses badly to Hendricks, Askren has a good shot to beat GSP, if GSP shuts out Hendricks grappling, Askren loses to GSP over and over.

Rory? I think he'd beat him up pretty badly on the feet. Phone Post

I've been saying that all a long, I've been getting people laughing and pushing Askren's grappling as better than anything Rory can bring in each dissenting response.. I'm just trying to temper my belief that I see Rory as a favourite in that fight but blankets do happen even to the high level guys just not nearly as often

3/19/13 8:01 PM
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didn't RICK STORY outgrapple Hendricks?

 

 


So did Kosheck on some people's cards, everyone has either off nights or a style that can get the better of them, but at this point Hendricks is well rounded enough to avenge that loss and beat anyone they put in front of him.

at the time Rick was on a roll too and Johnny in the last two years has improved probably faster than anyone in the sport


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