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3/19/13 12:38 PM
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i never miss anything that diaz does, and apparently alot of other people are the same way.

i'll pay to see him fight for the rest of his career, win/lose/draw/nc
3/19/13 12:42 PM
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Nick vs condit 2 should be next both coming of 2 losses Phone Post
3/19/13 12:54 PM
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Anything Diaz is must watch tv.
3/19/13 12:58 PM
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Sho_Gunn - Anything Diaz is must watch tv.

This. Diaz is a draw for sure. I do wish he didn't mind doing the behind the scenes thing though. I really liked the Diaz/Condit primtime they did. Diaz is not the greatest public speaker or anything but from the stuff they showed at his camp he seems like an awesome guy. His heart is in the right place at least.
3/19/13 1:03 PM
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NomoRomophobia -  I will never miss anything involving Nick Diaz. Phone Post

3/19/13 1:13 PM
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It was a fight people had really been waiting for...

I wish it got as much of a push as the Ronda fight. Phone Post
3/19/13 1:13 PM
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NICK DIAZ HAS NO PLACE IN THE UFC
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NomoRomophobia -  I will never miss anything involving Nick Diaz. Phone Post


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3/19/13 1:23 PM
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war diaz

3/19/13 1:25 PM
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I knew this event would sell like hotcakes but didn't think the weighins would be so popular. Rad!
3/19/13 1:36 PM
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TheRaider -  Nick is the best personality in sports. Phone Post

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3/19/13 1:41 PM
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I accidently bought the diaz ppv twice. .. in HD. Phone Post
3/19/13 1:43 PM
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Diaz fights, I buy the ppv
3/19/13 1:50 PM
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Lun8 - Diaz fights, I buy the ppv
This. Phone Post
3/19/13 1:52 PM
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Diaz fights, I always buy the PPV

GSP fights...I go out and tune into MMA JUNKIE the next day to see who won.

War Diaz!!!
3/19/13 1:53 PM
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Dana, can you please help me know what your thinking for Diaz' next opponent by finishing this statement:

"Where you at {insert name here}?!  Where you at motherfucker?!"

3/19/13 2:12 PM
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Billytk - It's pathetic that diaz doesn't get cut but Fitch does when Jon is the much better of the 2 as far as actual ability to win goes but because Dana likes the way nick sells fights and doesn't like Fitch's style Jon gets cut while nick keeps his job even though nick throws punches after the bell, skips press events and throws around stupid allegations and all Fitch does is win fights (unlike diaz)

Nick is 16-4 in his last 20 fights. He is 3-2 in his last 5.

Fitch is 16-3-1 in his last 20 fights. He's 2-2-1 in his last 5.

People tune in and the UFC makes more money when Nick fights, that's good for all of the other fighters.

People tune out and the UFC makes less money when Fitch fights, that's bad for all of the other fighters.

Hard to say "all Fitch does is win fights" when he has only won 1 of his last 4 fights.
Diaz is 1-2 in the UFC since late 2006. Fitch is 11-2-1 during the same time. I'm pretty sure that a whole lot more eyes have seen Fitch in the last 7 years than Diaz Phone Post
3/19/13 2:23 PM
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Blazing Knees - btw-now you can drop him-he's had his 15 mins. He's going to cost you at least that much in legal fees and controversy. I know I'd rather have my two sons emulate GSP than 209, that's for sho
It's sad you have children and you are still naive enough to believe the image a guy with a team of public relations puts forth.

I'd venture to say you know absolutely nothing at all about either guy as a human being and if you depend on MMA fighters to be role models for your kids you may want to rethink everything. Phone Post

Let's review the facts about 'images" real or percieved..

GSP always wears suits to all pr events, clean shaven, well mannered, respectful.
Diaz wears hoodies,wears his pants down his ass like a wannabe, flips birds, disrespects his employer,is nasty to interviewrs, refuses to do pressers etc.

GSP bows when he enters the cage, never talks shit, never cusses, doesn't take illegal drugs or get suspended for anything.
Diaz smokes weed, talks shit using profanity during fights, gets in fights in the cage after the matches are over ( mayhem)and hangs out with a bunch of bums-two of who got arrested right after his fight, leaving him on the side of the road.
GSP trains with a clean org. and brings in talent to help him improve.No controversy whatsoever and everyone he's ever trained with or fought has good things to say about him.
Diaz trains at a shithole with a camp of disrespectful creeps and brags about being raised in the '209' (makes me lol)gets suspended for using illegal drugs.

I could go on, but why bother?I've been a full custody parent for 5 years and I raise my sons ( 14 & 10) by MYSELF, with no help from anyone. They've been to the dojo's and gyms with me and watched me trane-sit with me and watch the fights and while I don't have them 'emulate' mma fighters, I do tend to gravitate towards someone they can at least look up to and say " I'd like to be like HIM, because that's what boys do.
I certainly don't need any advice from any childless bastards on parenting skills or philosophies of raising boys into men, but if you get lucky enough one day to have sons, you will 'get it'-at this point, you're just a bystander on the subject.

As 'human beings' go- I will take GSP anyday over Diaz, it's a no-brainer
Marijuana is not completely illegal. It's 2013. Hellooo....pick up a news paper. Phone Post

It is not approved by the commission. He's a professional athlete for christ sake.
But you can get an exemption for TRT, what the fuck? All the fighters getting exemptions from doctors for TRT so they can cheat.

The part that really pisses me off is the commission and the UFC will accept a recommendation for exemption from a doctor that's not a specialist but only if you're applying for a TRT exemption. If you have a license from a doctor for marijuana, eat shit we don't consider such nonsense for exemption! WTF why are athletic commissions allowed to be so thoroughly corrupt!?

Nick Diaz just wants to be able to sleep at night, curb his social anxiety disorder and I'm sure some of his use is recreational. That's his business as long as he is not high while doing any of the UFC'S business pressers, fights etc.

I'm sure marijuana helps with the daily aches and pains from sparring and rolling but it doesn't mean it enhances the body's ability to heal or enhances strength training so in my mind it's not a performance enhancing drug.

Overeem was busted taking steroids, you know so he can cheat and win fights.

And he was given a years suspension but then they shortened the sentence, what was it a 8 month or 6 months suspension? Something like that they gave Diaz 12 months...

I know HGH and anabolic steroids are on the ped list as well as marijuana but it seems to me they give exemptions to fighters for TRT like they are going out of style, why in the hell can't they give exemptions for marijuana exactly?

Athletic commissions are going to ruin the sport long before Nick Diaz or GSP will. Phone Post
3/19/13 2:26 PM
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Billytk - It's pathetic that diaz doesn't get cut but Fitch does when Jon is the much better of the 2 as far as actual ability to win goes but because Dana likes the way nick sells fights and doesn't like Fitch's style Jon gets cut while nick keeps his job even though nick throws punches after the bell, skips press events and throws around stupid allegations and all Fitch does is win fights (unlike diaz)

Nick is 16-4 in his last 20 fights. He is 3-2 in his last 5.

Fitch is 16-3-1 in his last 20 fights. He's 2-2-1 in his last 5.

People tune in and the UFC makes more money when Nick fights, that's good for all of the other fighters.

People tune out and the UFC makes less money when Fitch fights, that's bad for all of the other fighters.

Hard to say "all Fitch does is win fights" when he has only won 1 of his last 4 fights.
I understand the evonomics behind keeping Diaz indefinitely. And i do not wish him to ve cut because i do find he is a skilled and entertaining fighter.

But the record argument kind of goes out of the window if you compare you Gitch fought and who Diaz fought. Lets be honest Diaz is 1-2 in the UFC. All the dudes he fought in strikeforce whete average at best.

I do believe he has every reason to be in the UFC but so does Fitch. Hence the problem is again why the fuck would they cut Fitch.

Btw they both dont have a big shot at attaining top contender status again based on just skill. Diaz has to many holes in his game. He personally believe dudes like Hendricks and Ellenberger beat him as well. Let him fight Rory next, that would be a true test.

Instead they probably pair him up with Kampman ( fun fight and very winnable for Nick) and give him a shot again. There just to many moronic Diaz cultist out there ( also a lot of sane and intelligent fans but the pool is tainted by people "who keep it real". Phone Post
3/19/13 2:27 PM
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I also want to restate that I like watching Nick Diaz 100 times more then GSP. Give us a good striking match and pay that man shitloads on money
3/19/13 2:42 PM
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Billytk - It's pathetic that diaz doesn't get cut but Fitch does when Jon is the much better of the 2 as far as actual ability to win goes but because Dana likes the way nick sells fights and doesn't like Fitch's style Jon gets cut while nick keeps his job even though nick throws punches after the bell, skips press events and throws around stupid allegations and all Fitch does is win fights (unlike diaz)

Nick is 16-4 in his last 20 fights. He is 3-2 in his last 5.

Fitch is 16-3-1 in his last 20 fights. He's 2-2-1 in his last 5.

People tune in and the UFC makes more money when Nick fights, that's good for all of the other fighters.

People tune out and the UFC makes less money when Fitch fights, that's bad for all of the other fighters.

Hard to say "all Fitch does is win fights" when he has only won 1 of his last 4 fights.

LOL at comparing their last 20 fights when 18 of Fitch's have been in the UFC and a larg percentage of Nick's were in Elite XC and SF against guys like Mike Aina, Scott Smith, Inoue, Thomas Denny, Muhsin Corbbrey, Shamrock, Steinbass, Cyborg, Zaromskis, LW's like BJ, Sherk, Tibau, and Neer, etc....


The guy said Fitch keeps winning and winning and Diaz doesn't. I agree with your point about competition, but it makes no sense in response to my post.

Their recent shared opponent is BJ Penn. Fitch fought to a draw, Diaz won pretty clearly.

There are some less than top level guys and guys who now fight at LW in Fitch's UFC resume.

And my real point was about who people tune in to see and I think Diaz wins that one hands down.
3/19/13 2:44 PM
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Billytk - It's pathetic that diaz doesn't get cut but Fitch does when Jon is the much better of the 2 as far as actual ability to win goes but because Dana likes the way nick sells fights and doesn't like Fitch's style Jon gets cut while nick keeps his job even though nick throws punches after the bell, skips press events and throws around stupid allegations and all Fitch does is win fights (unlike diaz)

Nick is 16-4 in his last 20 fights. He is 3-2 in his last 5.

Fitch is 16-3-1 in his last 20 fights. He's 2-2-1 in his last 5.

People tune in and the UFC makes more money when Nick fights, that's good for all of the other fighters.

People tune out and the UFC makes less money when Fitch fights, that's bad for all of the other fighters.

Hard to say "all Fitch does is win fights" when he has only won 1 of his last 4 fights.

LOL at comparing their last 20 fights when 18 of Fitch's have been in the UFC and a larg percentage of Nick's were in Elite XC and SF against guys like Mike Aina, Scott Smith, Inoue, Thomas Denny, Muhsin Corbbrey, Shamrock, Steinbass, Cyborg, Zaromskis, LW's like BJ, Sherk, Tibau, and Neer, etc....

LoL Indeed, It's really not relevant to the argument.

Show me the buy rates for GSP Fitch then show me the buy rates for GSP Diaz and I think you'd find the answer as to why Fitch got cut and why Diaz wont be cut barring something crazy taking place.

That's not saying it's ethically correct for a sports organization that calls thier brand a true sport to cut a fighter because he's boring, but then that's all PR, this is prize fighting and its not a sport at least not the way it sits now its not. Phone Post
3/19/13 2:44 PM
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Social anxiety disorder is a very real thing, my friend.

I thought my own issues were due to lack of self-confidence and weight gain, but I've beaten this shit years ago and can honestly tell you I deal with these "demons" on the regular. Not taking any meds, never have, never will, but I'm 80% sure I'm dealing with something akin to this kind of disorder. Nobody knows about it, not even my parents...

As a highly functional, corporate-type , suit-wearing douchebag, the biggest thing I'm still fighting with on a daily basis is eye contact when talking to somebody of higher rank or a super attractive woman. I HATE talking about my life to anyone and the last thing I want to do with my time is go to some random place filled with people I don't know. So, there you go.

You'd never know it meeting me in person, I smile all the time, never raise my voice or step on anyone's feet, but I can assure you all that BS is within me, it's real and it affected the SHIT out of me as a high schooler. I'm a better-than-average looking guy which had several women come on to me as a younger guy and I never acted on any of that shit before I got out of HS, out of sheer feeling of inadequateness and disbelief. Now... the slightest opening gets raided something fierce.

Just my two cents. I get Diaz and what he possibly goes through as far as social commitments go.
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Billytk - It's pathetic that diaz doesn't get cut but Fitch does when Jon is the much better of the 2 as far as actual ability to win goes but because Dana likes the way nick sells fights and doesn't like Fitch's style Jon gets cut while nick keeps his job even though nick throws punches after the bell, skips press events and throws around stupid allegations and all Fitch does is win fights (unlike diaz)

Nick is 16-4 in his last 20 fights. He is 3-2 in his last 5.

Fitch is 16-3-1 in his last 20 fights. He's 2-2-1 in his last 5.

People tune in and the UFC makes more money when Nick fights, that's good for all of the other fighters.

People tune out and the UFC makes less money when Fitch fights, that's bad for all of the other fighters.

Hard to say "all Fitch does is win fights" when he has only won 1 of his last 4 fights.
I understand the evonomics behind keeping Diaz indefinitely. And i do not wish him to ve cut because i do find he is a skilled and entertaining fighter.

But the record argument kind of goes out of the window if you compare you Gitch fought and who Diaz fought. Lets be honest Diaz is 1-2 in the UFC. All the dudes he fought in strikeforce whete average at best.

I do believe he has every reason to be in the UFC but so does Fitch. Hence the problem is again why the fuck would they cut Fitch.

Btw they both dont have a big shot at attaining top contender status again based on just skill. Diaz has to many holes in his game. He personally believe dudes like Hendricks and Ellenberger beat him as well. Let him fight Rory next, that would be a true test.

Instead they probably pair him up with Kampman ( fun fight and very winnable for Nick) and give him a shot again. There just to many moronic Diaz cultist out there ( also a lot of sane and intelligent fans but the pool is tainted by people "who keep it real". Phone Post

Like I just pointed out about another poster, your responding to the record argument out of context, because you ignored the post I quoted and was responding to.

Fitch is boring, doesn't sell PPV's, and costs more than he is worth. Why they cut him is not hard to figure out.
3/19/13 2:59 PM
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Billytk - It's pathetic that diaz doesn't get cut but Fitch does when Jon is the much better of the 2 as far as actual ability to win goes but because Dana likes the way nick sells fights and doesn't like Fitch's style Jon gets cut while nick keeps his job even though nick throws punches after the bell, skips press events and throws around stupid allegations and all Fitch does is win fights (unlike diaz)

Nick is 16-4 in his last 20 fights. He is 3-2 in his last 5.

Fitch is 16-3-1 in his last 20 fights. He's 2-2-1 in his last 5.

People tune in and the UFC makes more money when Nick fights, that's good for all of the other fighters.

People tune out and the UFC makes less money when Fitch fights, that's bad for all of the other fighters.

Hard to say "all Fitch does is win fights" when he has only won 1 of his last 4 fights.
I understand the evonomics behind keeping Diaz indefinitely. And i do not wish him to ve cut because i do find he is a skilled and entertaining fighter.

But the record argument kind of goes out of the window if you compare you Gitch fought and who Diaz fought. Lets be honest Diaz is 1-2 in the UFC. All the dudes he fought in strikeforce whete average at best.

I do believe he has every reason to be in the UFC but so does Fitch. Hence the problem is again why the fuck would they cut Fitch.

Btw they both dont have a big shot at attaining top contender status again based on just skill. Diaz has to many holes in his game. He personally believe dudes like Hendricks and Ellenberger beat him as well. Let him fight Rory next, that would be a true test.

Instead they probably pair him up with Kampman ( fun fight and very winnable for Nick) and give him a shot again. There just to many moronic Diaz cultist out there ( also a lot of sane and intelligent fans but the pool is tainted by people "who keep it real". Phone Post

Like I just pointed out about another poster, your responding to the record argument out of context, because you ignored the post I quoted and was responding to.

Fitch is boring, doesn't sell PPV's, and costs more than he is worth. Why they cut him is not hard to figure out.

So you are saying that the UFC is a business that is looking to make money? That crazy use of actual logic has no place on this board...
3/19/13 3:01 PM
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It scares me that people are too dumb to realize that maintaining and promoting fighters that can get good buy rates is where the money comes from to support everyone else.

If it wasn't for guys like Diaz who people like to watch - there would be no career in fighting for guys like Fitch.

BTW - Diaz won his last two fights in the UFC before not getting re-signed in 2006.

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