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3/23/13 10:59 AM
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In 1983, the Journal of the American Medical Association called for a ban on boxing. The editor, Dr. George Lundberg, called boxing an "obscenity" and said it "should not be sanctioned by any civilized society."

For long-time devotees of mixed martial arts, the parallels with Sen. McCain's infamous and now withdrawn "human cock fighting" remarks are inescapable.

In response, the International Amateur Boxing Association, the governing body for amateur boxing worldwide, made mandatory the use of headgear in amateur boxing contests.

Then at the 1998 Seoul Olympics, Roy Jones Jr was denied a gold medal in boxing by corrupt, bribed judges. At the time, the 10 Point Must judging system was in place, familiar to all fans of MMA - winner of the round gets 10 points, loser gets 9, or in the case of a shellacking, 8, or even conceivably less.

In response, the IABA instituted a computerized scoring system, that was believed to be harder to fix. Judges are provided controllers, and have to simultaneously press a button to indicate a clean blow has landed.

The system may have reduced the odds of corruption, although jailing the people on both end of gold wrapped in a handkerchief seems like a more appropriate response. What the computerized system did unquestionably was dramatically changed the play of the game, forcing boxers to avoid body shots, or combinations, or, too often, fighting.

After 30 years, the IABA is moving to restore the old rules. Headgear has not proven to reduce concussions, and the scoring system was so bad it made fighting boring.

"There's no evidence protective gear shows a reduction in incidence of concussion," said Charles Butter Butler of the AIBA. "In 1982, when the American Medical Association moved to ban boxing, everybody panicked and put headgear on the boxers, but nobody ever looked to see what the headgear did."

"Boxing isn't bean counting. The thing that makes (the computerized scoring system) dangerous is if you're a boxer, you know you're not going to get a point for a body shot, so what are you going to do except punch the head? There were no points given for combinations. You might get one point. If a kid was a counterpuncher, you'd lose."

The use of headgear will remain for female and youth boxers.

The changes to the rules in boxing provide a cautionary tale for mixed martial arts.

Many of the changes to the rules of boxing enacted to make it safer actually made it more dangerous. For example, the addition of gloves meant that the concussive power of a punch was enormously magnified (a bare fist cannot hit hard for an extended period of time). The standing-8 count only meant that a hurt fighter could recover enough to suffer further injury. And so on.

Mixed martial arts still receives criticism from uninformed lawmakers on a regular basis, and still is not legal and regulated in every state, notably New York. Whenever a well-intended figure in power proposes changes to make the world's fastest growing sport safer, we have to proceed with extraordinary care, as the history in combat sports so strongly shows that "safety" rules, as a rule, do more harm than good.


3/23/13 11:05 AM
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Fun fun fun Phone Post
3/23/13 11:06 AM
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3/23/13 11:19 AM
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I see some ROBBERIES in the near future.

They couldn't even get it right with the judges having to score points together.

The Americans are the ones who will lose the close ones (and not so close ones) too
3/23/13 11:42 AM
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This is great news! Teddy Atlas approves of this thread.

3/23/13 11:44 AM
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Does this change the rules for many fights as well? Phone Post
3/23/13 11:47 AM
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Kinda hard for me to believe the headgear doesn't help mitigate brain damage and concussions, but overall, this is fantastic news.
3/23/13 11:58 AM
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It's about freaking time!
3/23/13 12:00 PM
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Batarnaque - Kinda hard for me to believe the headgear doesn't help mitigate brain damage and concussions, but overall, this is fantastic news.

It actually doesn't. It helps mitigate cuts, but that's it. If anything, it can enhance a concussive event.

One, it makes for a bigger target, and doesn't actually prevent the brain from rattling.

Two,it can provide extra torsion when the gllove makes contact with it, serving to snap the head further. This can be especially evident at the start of fights, when both opponents are dry.

I think it's agreat decision.
3/23/13 12:08 PM
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well done OC. Now stay the fuck away from wrestling and we'll b ok. ttt
3/23/13 12:29 PM
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Great news. Now lets actually get some decent talent in there. Phone Post
3/23/13 12:29 PM
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This is the GREATEST news I've heard in a while regarding sports!
3/23/13 12:58 PM
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Batarnaque - Kinda hard for me to believe the headgear doesn't help mitigate brain damage and concussions, but overall, this is fantastic news.

My experience is anecdotal of course, but I find for sparring in the gym, with control, it helps. But if you are going all out, it really doesn't. It is hugely effective for stopping cuts and bruises, but for buzzers, not so much. You can't see as well, either.

3/23/13 1:52 PM
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Headgear doesn't help? I totally disagree with that comment. I'm one that usually hates to spar with headgear because it gets in the way and cuts off some of your field of view. Most times I don't use it unless I go with someone that I know is better then me or we go really hard. However when going hard there is a drastic difference in the power of the shot you recieve to the head while wearing headgear. And there's also other protective benifits to wearing it too like cuts and stuff. 

On a side note Rival makes the most bad ass headgrear. Their d30 headgear is awesome. It has a patented protective material in it greatly absorbs shock and also gets hard like plastic when hit with high force. I've noticed a major difference since switching to it. 

3/23/13 1:59 PM
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Their point is bull shit. If they really felt that head gear hurt more than it helped, why did they only change it for men?...
3/23/13 2:24 PM
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Gear and scoring is irrelevant. They're not what's wrong with Olympic Boxing.

"Olympic boxing is a massively corrupt disaster?"
"Oh, well, we'll fix that by changing the colors of the mouth-pieces, or something".
3/23/13 3:04 PM
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Now if they can only purge the sport of IABA, everything will be moving in a positive direction. Phone Post
3/23/13 3:33 PM
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Headgear is helpful in avoiding injury per every study available which I've found.

http://www.scienceomega.com/article/168/a-safer-combination-for-boxers

http://www.asbweb.org/conferences/2006/pdfs/242.pdf

The AIBA is a really strange organization.

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Wish it would have been implemented a long time ago. Phone Post
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"Whenever a well-intended figure in power proposes changes to make the world's fastest growing sport safer, we have to proceed with extraordinary care, as the history in combat sports so strongly shows that "safety" rules, as a rule, do more harm than good."

This is 100% crap and I'm actually at a loss at how to respond to it

3/23/13 3:39 PM
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Wish it would have been implemented a long time ago. Phone Post

That bout was scored with the 10 point must system. Give the article another read.

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Batarnaque - Kinda hard for me to believe the headgear doesn't help mitigate brain damage and concussions, but overall, this is fantastic news.

I first heard about this ten years ago when a study showed that head gear caused the head to whip a lot more than without. A friend that I coached with did the thesis for his masters on concussions and very much believed they increased the chance of concussion. He said they lessoned the blow but created much more of a whiplash effect to the fighters head.

I personally am against anything that allows a fighter to get hit more and continue rather than get put out by the first shot. How many decorated amatuer have we seen over the years turn pro only to realize they can't take a punch. 

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I was also told by a friend that coaches on a national lever the IABA is looking into promoting pro fights in europe. I am not too sure of the truth of that though but it does make sense.

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Hmm, think this could be trouble,personally.

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