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3/29/13 8:18 AM
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"How come the other fighters don't get an extra hour to cut weight?  Doesn't seem fair that only Nick and GSP get this special treatment."

Because the other fighters have a 1lb allowance (if you want to get technical, if the AC is dropping decimals, they have a 1.9lb allowance). Title fighters have no allowance (or again, in a sense a .9lb allowance, if you want to call it that, when they drop decimals), so they get a chance to make weight if they miss it the first time.

In almost every other AC, *every* fighter, even the title fighters, get an hour (or more) to make weight if they miss it the first time. 

Yes but this commissions rules say you do not get extra time....at least the on the record rules lol Phone Post
3/29/13 9:37 AM
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"How come the other fighters don't get an extra hour to cut weight?  Doesn't seem fair that only Nick and GSP get this special treatment."

Because the other fighters have a 1lb allowance (if you want to get technical, if the AC is dropping decimals, they have a 1.9lb allowance). Title fighters have no allowance (or again, in a sense a .9lb allowance, if you want to call it that, when they drop decimals), so they get a chance to make weight if they miss it the first time.

In almost every other AC, *every* fighter, even the title fighters, get an hour (or more) to make weight if they miss it the first time. 

I see I see. So what happens in almost every AC is relevant...except when it comes to decimals. Phone Post 3.0
3/29/13 10:26 AM
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I don't understand what the fuss is about.

Nick Diaz came in at 170.9 and was announced as 170. GSP isn't complaining. He just beat dat ass.
3/29/13 11:54 AM
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"What about the first part of my statement orcus?"

You wonder if major PPV stars have tested positive when UFC has held events in Canada, or where ACs don't test? I don't know off the top of my head. I'll be happy to research that if you can tell me how many major PPV stars have tested positive when the ACs *do* test?

"I see I see. So what happens in almost every AC is relevant...except when it comes to decimals."

Are you pretending you haven't seen many people point out that Vegas does not use decimals, or at most rounds to the half, for the UFC as well (but not for boxing)?

Washington goes full on -- .3, .7, whatever -- while California is inconsisent -- using only whole numbers for the Cain vs JDS 2 card, while the Rousey card used only even decimals (.2, .6, etc). OH SHIT THE SHADY INCONSISTENCY OF IT ALL!

Which ACs do you know of that ALWAYS use full decimals for UFC events? 

You morons have gone on and on for days about how absurd it is to throw out or round off decimals to the half without even realizing that even the Vegas events have been doing it, along with every event in Montreal and every event in Brazil, some events in California -- in fact, the MAJORITY of UFC events of at least the past couple years no matter where they are held and under whose jurisdiction....you were so thrilled to have something to complain about (just like Nick) that you didn't put an instant of thought into it.

So tell us, now that you know almost every jurisdiction rounds or discards the decimals, and almost every jurisdiction allows fighters an hour or more to make weight if they miss it the first time, has your righteous indignation faded at all?

3/29/13 1:06 PM
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"Yes but this commissions rules say you do not get extra time....at least the on the record rules lol"

Was Nick going into this event thinking that he would not get extra time to make weight if he missed it? You think he read the Quebec rules? Nate got extra time when he missed it -- along with every other fighter at every other UFC event in every jurisdiction -- why wouldn't he?

More importantly, was anyone given extra time at this event? Again, what rule was broken?

 

3/29/13 1:14 PM
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"Yes but this commissions rules say you do not get extra time....at least the on the record rules lol"

Was Nick going into this event thinking that he would not get extra time to make weight if he missed it? You think he read the Quebec rules? Nate got extra time when he missed it -- along with every other fighter at every other UFC event in every jurisdiction -- why wouldn't he?

More importantly, was anyone given extra time at this event? Again, what rule was broken?

 

I wont speculate on what Nick knew and didn't know as it is irrelevant anyhow.

What is relevant is that Mr UFC came up and told Diaz camp about special "off the record" rules for him and GSP and then tried to deny the conversation ever happened. How you can not see an issue with that is beyond me...shill is the only reasonable explanation. Phone Post
3/29/13 1:26 PM
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"What is relevant is that Mr UFC came up and told Diaz camp about special "off the record" rules for him and GSP and then tried to deny the conversation ever happened. How you can not see an issue with that is beyond me...shill is the only reasonable explanation."

What quote says he denied the conversation ever happened?

Is it possible that UFC guy misunderstood the AC policies?

Most importantly, what rules were broken at this event? 

Is the only "special" rule for GSP and Nick that they would be given an hour to make weight, much like every other fighter in every other UFC event ever held anywhere? Are you guys really so incensed that they *would have been* -- but were NOT -- given extra time to make weight if they missed it, exactly as has happened at every event, including Nick's brother's title fight, that you'll rant and rave for days on end about it? It just drives you up the wall that they'd have gotten an extra hour to retry if they had needed it, which they didn't?

3/29/13 2:44 PM
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"What is relevant is that Mr UFC came up and told Diaz camp about special "off the record" rules for him and GSP and then tried to deny the conversation ever happened. How you can not see an issue with that is beyond me...shill is the only reasonable explanation."

What quote says he denied the conversation ever happened?

Is it possible that UFC guy misunderstood the AC policies?

Most importantly, what rules were broken at this event? 

Is the only "special" rule for GSP and Nick that they would be given an hour to make weight, much like every other fighter in every other UFC event ever held anywhere? Are you guys really so incensed that they *would have been* -- but were NOT -- given extra time to make weight if they missed it, exactly as has happened at every event, including Nick's brother's title fight, that you'll rant and rave for days on end about it? It just drives you up the wall that they'd have gotten an extra hour to retry if they had needed it, which they didn't?


no the UFC guy knew dam well what he was saying was shady and understood it Thats why he said in a hushed voice its off the record
3/29/13 2:47 PM
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"no the UFC guy knew dam well what he was saying was shady and understood it Thats why he said in a hushed voice its off the record"

He said it's off the record because it's off the record. Just like rounding down, or for that matter not rounding at all, is off the record in every AC that I'm aware of.

AGAIN: Since no rule was broken, what is the complaint?

3/29/13 2:55 PM
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"no the UFC guy knew dam well what he was saying was shady and understood it Thats why he said in a hushed voice its off the record"

He said it's off the record because it's off the record. Just like rounding down, or for that matter not rounding at all, is off the record in every AC that I'm aware of.

AGAIN: Since no rule was broken, what is the complaint?


wholy shit do u ever leave the forum Does UFC pay u buy the hour ? The .9 rule is a bunch of bull shit u know it i know it and thats why theres 20 threads on it
3/29/13 2:59 PM
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What if it were a .4 rule? Would that be a bunch of bullshit too? If they said a 170.4 fighter was 170, would that be bullshit and shady?

3/29/13 4:18 PM
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What if it were a .4 rule? Would that be a bunch of bullshit too? If they said a 170.4 fighter was 170, would that be bullshit and shady?


IMO yes for a title fight anything over flat weight to me is shady
3/29/13 4:24 PM
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http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=2&file=%2F%2FS_3_1%2FS3_1R11_A.htm

 

 

DIVISION  XI
WEIGH-INS

 

73.  An official weigh-in shall take place 8 to 30 hours before the bouts begin, in the presence of the opponents and the organizer.

 

 

The official weigh-in shall be the responsibility of the person in charge of the sports event.

 

 

O.C. 662-95, s. 73O.C. 392-2004, s. 7.

 

 

74.  The organizer shall provide a scale having a minimum capacity of 200 kg (440 lbs). The scale shall have graduated readings at each 100 g (3.6 oz) and shall be certified by Measurement Canada.

 

 

The scale shall be electronic and of a model approved by the board. The organizer shall adjust the scale at the official weigh-in, in the presence of the person in charge of the sports event.

 

 

O.C. 662-95, s. 74.

 

 

75.  At an official weigh-in, the scale shall be placed on a hard surface.

 

 

O.C. 662-95, s. 75.

 

 

76.  Where the program of a sports event is postponed for a period exceeding 24 hours, the official weigh-in shall be repeated.

 

 

O.C. 662-95, s. 76.

 

 

77.  At an official weigh-in, no time shall be granted to a contestant to enable him to increase or decrease his weight.

 

 

O.C. 662-95, s. 77.

 

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3/29/13 4:25 PM
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What if it were a .4 rule? Would that be a bunch of bullshit too? If they said a 170.4 fighter was 170, would that be bullshit and shady?


IMO yes for a title fight anything over flat weight to me is shady

Ok, so the vast majority of UFC title fights have been shady, since the vast majority take place in Nevada, where weights are rounded down to the nearest half pound -- in other words, 170.4 becomes 170.

3/29/13 4:48 PM
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wow the guy is acting like he didnt evn have the conversation with Nick Does he know its on tape ? not at all suprised he lieng about knowing the info
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What if it were a .4 rule? Would that be a bunch of bullshit too? If they said a 170.4 fighter was 170, would that be bullshit and shady?


IMO yes for a title fight anything over flat weight to me is shady

Ok, so the vast majority of UFC title fights have been shady, since the vast majority take place in Nevada, where weights are rounded down to the nearest half pound -- in other words, 170.4 becomes 170.


wrong anything over 170.0 and you missed FLAT weight.And anyways 170.9 rounds off to 171 not 170 ? did u even graduate HS ? Hey Orcus did u read the texts The UFC rep is even trying to deny he had any conversation with Nick and is either playing dumb or has amnsescia
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Jonathan Tweedale, Nick Diaz's lawyer, contacted Bloody Elbow and exclusively provided very interesting text message transcripts from the evening of the weigh in, explaining "Given some of the media coverage, we need to set the record straight on the timing that the issue of the 0.9 was raised by Nick Diaz. The issue was pursued immediately. On the evening of March 15, Mike Mersch and I exchanged the following correspondence (via text message), in which he denied any knowledge of a .9 allowance or ignoring the decimal."

Mersch, again, was the man in the video who informed the camp of the "no decimal" changes.

Here is the text conversation between Tweedale (JDT) and Mersch (MM), which starts at 9:24 p.m.:

JDT: "Hi Mike. Nick is curious about the .9 pound allowance at today's weigh-in for his championship bout. He doesn't want to be a nuisance about this, but he's a bit confused. Can you shed any light?"

MM: "I don't know what you're talking about. All parties weighed in appropriately according [to] the Quebec Commission."

JDT: "Of course. You're right, and he knows that. He just wanted to know why the Quebec Commission was okay with a 0.9 pound weight allowance for a championship fight. Nick's not going to make an issue of it, but it's been gnawing at him since it was explained to him at the weigh-ins, on an "off the record" basis or otherwise. I just want him to stop thinking about it, and thought you could provide some insight."

MM: "I have been told everyone made weight so there's nothing to make an issue about. He might want to focus on how he's going to win the fight rather than spending the night making excuses about why he lost."

The correspondence continued at 9:46 p.m.:

JDT: "C'mon Mike you're just going to stonewall on this issue? We're reaching out in a discreet manner, as appropriate in the circumstances. Meet us half-way."

MM: "Huh? The Commission determined both fighters weighed 170 or less. What am I supposed to do about that? I would think Nick would be excited to compete for the UFC Welterweight title. Seems like he's focused on the wrong issue."

JDT: "No one wants you to *do* anything. If the answer is simply "the Quebec Commission permits a promoter to request that .9 pounds be rounded down in a championship fight (unlike, e.g., the Washington commission for Nate's fight), and Zuffa made that request here", then pls confirm. Far better to reach out this way than the uncooperative Twitter/media way."

MM: "How would I know what the Quebec Commission does? I was informed everyone made weight like everyone else at the weigh in. Zuffa made no requests for anything from the Quebec Commission. Good luck to Nick with the fight."

JDT: "Okay. I'll let Nick know that you can't shed any light on why Quebec treats 170.9 as 170 in a championship fight. Disappointing. Thanks for your time and your wish of luck to Nick for the fight."

MM: "Again I have no idea what you're talking about. The Quebec Commission indicated both fighters were 170 or lower."

JDT: "If you don't know then I should be asking someone else. No worries, Mike. Which UFC exec advised Nick and his entourage before the weigh-in that "If you're 170.2, you're 170. If you're 170.9, you're 170...that's a kinda off the record type of thing"?"

MM: "I would think you'd direct that to the source: the Quebec Commission. The UFC has nothing to do with weigh ins in Quebec."

Tweedale explained, "We appreciate that Mr. Mersch was in a difficult position, evidently having been instructed by the Quebec Commission to relay to Mr. Diaz some last-minute, unlawful 'rule changes' to give the hometown fighter a reprieve from his duty to make weight at 170 pounds.
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what a liar.Waits for Orcus to defend him
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What if it were a .4 rule? Would that be a bunch of bullshit too? If they said a 170.4 fighter was 170, would that be bullshit and shady?


IMO yes for a title fight anything over flat weight to me is shady

Ok, so the vast majority of UFC title fights have been shady, since the vast majority take place in Nevada, where weights are rounded down to the nearest half pound -- in other words, 170.4 becomes 170.


wrong anything over 170.0 and you missed FLAT weight.And anyways 170.9 rounds off to 171 not 170 ? did u even graduate HS ? Hey Orcus did u read the texts The UFC rep is even trying to deny he had any conversation with Nick and is either playing dumb or has amnsescia

Except, that is not how it is done in Las Vegas. If someone weighs 170.4 in Vegas - the official weight is 170.

You can dislike it all you want but ACs round, and they get to choose how they round. Nevada reports weight to the 1/2 pound, so although 170.4 is closer to 170.5 they round down to 170, despite your High School rounding experience tells you.

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