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If they didn't supervise the drug test, I'd sure like to hear about it. Phone Post
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RileyPust - This all seems shady, especially since GSP actually got noticeably fatigued during the fight. That is an indication of a tough weight cut.

What doesn't make sense, however, is the fact that Nick was even informed about this .9 lb weight allowance. You'd think that if it was a coverup about Georges' weight, why not just allow Nick to go on thinking they both had to make 170 on the dot? They would've allowed for GSP's extra weight without ever saying anything, and Nick would've made 170 without ever questioning anything. It just doesn't make sense to tell him, much less telling him while he's sitting with a group of his friends and training partners.

It would be shady if the commission always used decimal points up to the fight, or card.  However, evidence has been shown that all UFC's held with this commission dating back to 2008 were to the exact pound and did not use decimal points. 

Seems like it was pretty standard to me.


Ah, thanks for the info. I'm admittedly uninformed on the matter and fairly heavily medicated at the moment. I'm glad you said that because Georges is my favourite fighter, like I said... a coverup doesn't make sense.


It does seem like a massive oversight to wait as long as they did before telling Nick about the weight allowance, though. Is there any more on that part of the story yet? I'm kind of outta the loop.
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If anyone can show even a single bit of proof that GSP was over 170, please let us see it. If anyone can show that the commission changed their policies for this fight versus every other event they have held there, please provide it.

You're a fucking idiot who can't objectively look at anything involving Nick Diaz, so stfu Phone Post

 

 

 

3/26/13 10:03 PM
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Pessimist_Pete -  If they didn't supervise the drug test, I'd sure like to hear about it. Phone Post

This is something I most definitely agree with. If there wasn't proper testing I want to know about it most definitely. 

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If anyone can show even a single bit of proof that GSP was over 170, please let us see it. If anyone can show that the commission changed their policies for this fight versus every other event they have held there, please provide it.

 

Nobody can give proof whether GSP was over 170 lbs, but I can give you proof that the Quebec commission has counted down to the decimal for past MMA event weigh-ins. I posted this in another thread but it seems relevant to this one too:

 

 

Ringside MMA 13 weigh ins, held under the Quebec athletic commission, counting down to the decimal. Same cast of characters.

Mar 17, 2012

 

265lbs- Eric Barrak (237.6) vs. Paul Cheng (252.8)
155lbs- Mike Ricci (156.0) vs. Tony Hervey (155.4)
160lbs- Kevin Morin (159.8) vs. Stephane Lamarche (158.2)
155lbs- Olivier Aubin-Mercier (155.4) vs. Daniel Ireland (155.4)
155lbs- David Lafond (155.8) vs. Tim Chessell (148.0)
170lbs- Yohan Gariepy (170.6) vs. Christ Franck (171.0)
265lbs- Vladimir Starcencov (255.6) vs. Stephane Tessier (244.6)
155lbs- Dave Pariseau (155.0) vs. Louis-Christophe Laurin (—)*
155lbs- Mic Dufort (152.6) vs. Kyle Nelson (153.8)

 

feel free to google weigh-in results for any other Ringside MMA event held in Montreal, you will see they measure decimals

So why the special rules for the UFC?

3/26/13 10:12 PM
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If GSP was overweight then this fight should changed to a NC.
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3/26/13 10:25 PM
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If anyone can show even a single bit of proof that GSP was over 170, please let us see it. If anyone can show that the commission changed their policies for this fight versus every other event they have held there, please provide it.

You're a fucking idiot who can't objectively look at anything involving Nick Diaz, so stfu Phone Post

 

 

 

Nope, for two reasons:

1. I'm not half illiterate like you are.

2. I can objectively discuss topics about a fighter I don't like, in my case GSP, which is exactly what you can't do with a fighter you don't like, Diaz. Phone Post

1. If you are so litterate then how can you not see I didn't say one negative thing in that post about Diaz?

2. You can't be objective in anyway regarding Nick,

I will freely admit Nick is a talented fighter and have done so on many occassions. I even said going into the Condit fight on this very forum that it is a hard fight to call and could go either way. I have said on this very forum that Nick is a tough match up for many top WW and I would love to see him take on a guy like Martin Kampmann and think he could win it. I also think he could potentially beat guys in the top 10 like Koscheck, Lawler (again), and even Condit in a rematch (if he fought smarter). But I surely hate him and can't be objective. 

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If anyone can show even a single bit of proof that GSP was over 170, please let us see it. If anyone can show that the commission changed their policies for this fight versus every other event they have held there, please provide it.

 

Nobody can give proof whether GSP was over 170 lbs, but I can give you proof that the Quebec commission has counted down to the decimal for past MMA event weigh-ins. I posted this in another thread but it seems relevant to this one too:

 

 

Ringside MMA 13 weigh ins, held under the Quebec athletic commission, counting down to the decimal. Same cast of characters.

Mar 17, 2012

 

265lbs- Eric Barrak (237.6) vs. Paul Cheng (252.8)
155lbs- Mike Ricci (156.0) vs. Tony Hervey (155.4)
160lbs- Kevin Morin (159.8) vs. Stephane Lamarche (158.2)
155lbs- Olivier Aubin-Mercier (155.4) vs. Daniel Ireland (155.4)
155lbs- David Lafond (155.8) vs. Tim Chessell (148.0)
170lbs- Yohan Gariepy (170.6) vs. Christ Franck (171.0)
265lbs- Vladimir Starcencov (255.6) vs. Stephane Tessier (244.6)
155lbs- Dave Pariseau (155.0) vs. Louis-Christophe Laurin (—)*
155lbs- Mic Dufort (152.6) vs. Kyle Nelson (153.8)

 

feel free to google weigh-in results for any other Ringside MMA event held in Montreal, you will see they measure decimals

So why the special rules for the UFC?


So no comments on this huh?
3/26/13 10:33 PM
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Come on guys, seriously, this is what, BS thing number 3 or 4 out of the Diaz camp since the fight, the wraps were an issue, then it was GSP had insider information, that nick was going to roll for a kneebar, now its drug testing and a decimal point. This is the newest Greasegate, that's all it ease. If I see Nick's mom at a commission hearing I am definitively laugh my ass off.
3/26/13 10:35 PM
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Lol at all the gsp fans crying about the Diaz fans if the tables were turned you guys would be destroying the commission and ufc on this subject Phone Post
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If anyone can show even a single bit of proof that GSP was over 170, please let us see it. If anyone can show that the commission changed their policies for this fight versus every other event they have held there, please provide it.

 

Nobody can give proof whether GSP was over 170 lbs, but I can give you proof that the Quebec commission has counted down to the decimal for past MMA event weigh-ins. I posted this in another thread but it seems relevant to this one too:

 

 

Ringside MMA 13 weigh ins, held under the Quebec athletic commission, counting down to the decimal. Same cast of characters.

Mar 17, 2012

 

265lbs- Eric Barrak (237.6) vs. Paul Cheng (252.8)
155lbs- Mike Ricci (156.0) vs. Tony Hervey (155.4)
160lbs- Kevin Morin (159.8) vs. Stephane Lamarche (158.2)
155lbs- Olivier Aubin-Mercier (155.4) vs. Daniel Ireland (155.4)
155lbs- David Lafond (155.8) vs. Tim Chessell (148.0)
170lbs- Yohan Gariepy (170.6) vs. Christ Franck (171.0)
265lbs- Vladimir Starcencov (255.6) vs. Stephane Tessier (244.6)
155lbs- Dave Pariseau (155.0) vs. Louis-Christophe Laurin (—)*
155lbs- Mic Dufort (152.6) vs. Kyle Nelson (153.8)

 

feel free to google weigh-in results for any other Ringside MMA event held in Montreal, you will see they measure decimals

So why the special rules for the UFC?


So no comments on this huh?

Hadn't seen it thank you. It does prove the commission is full of shit.

3/26/13 10:46 PM
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This is on its way to becoming worse than UFC 94, and at least that time there was something Penn fans could use to substantiate their accusations. 

This just comes across as petulance


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When Diaz fights his lawyer gets his hand raised.
3/26/13 11:11 PM
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Seems like its been shown that you could come in up to 1lb. over and still be considered to have made weight. Or is that just a Nevada/Las Vegas thing?
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OmgItsTheWams -  Lol at all the gsp fans crying about the Diaz fans if the tables were turned you guys would be destroying the commission and ufc on this subject Phone Post

The problem is the Diaz fans are attacking GSP as if he had something to do with it.  I'd 100% understand if Nick just wanted answers from the commission but after it's the wraps, and then the insider info, all complaints with every other loss, and now this, it gets ridiculous.

And of course none of them will acknowledge the other UFC's in Montreal, including Shogun vs Lyoto with NO GSP on the card, where the weigh ins were handled the exact same way.


Sorry, but if you're gonna come in here slinging facts around I'm gonna have to ask you to leave. It's a Diaz thread, there's simply no room facts. Now, get lost.
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rjhartman - Seems like its been shown that you could come in up to 1lb. over and still be considered to have made weight. Or is that just a Nevada/Las Vegas thing?
Only for non-title fights. With a belt on the line anywhere in the U.S., you have to be on weight exactly Phone Post

Thanks for the clarification.
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first thing nick says afyer the fight, i dont wanna sit here and make excuses, followed by, he wrestled me, didnt fight, i was flat, he weighed more, his drug test was shady, many other excuses. get over it and just fight someone else. we love watching you fight! just fight! dont talk unless its shit about your opponent before the fight Phone Post
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OmgItsTheWams -  Lol at all the gsp fans crying about the Diaz fans if the tables were turned you guys would be destroying the commission and ufc on this subject Phone Post

The problem is the Diaz fans are attacking GSP as if he had something to do with it.  I'd 100% understand if Nick just wanted answers from the commission but after it's the wraps, and then the insider info, all complaints with every other loss, and now this, it gets ridiculous.

And of course none of them will acknowledge the other UFC's in Montreal, including Shogun vs Lyoto with NO GSP on the card, where the weigh ins were handled the exact same way.


Sorry, but if you're gonna come in here slinging facts around I'm gonna have to ask you to leave. It's a Diaz thread, there's simply no room facts. Now, get lost.
Where has a shady rule been implemented for a title fight? No title fight is to be held above the weight class limit I'm not saying it was a factor just shady move by the commission Phone Post
3/26/13 11:27 PM
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So what exactly did GSP weigh and what exactly did Diaz weigh?

Ps Diaz lost this fight in every way, every excuse and reason he has offered, this is just pathetic. Phone Post
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If anyone can show even a single bit of proof that GSP was over 170, please let us see it. If anyone can show that the commission changed their policies for this fight versus every other event they have held there, please provide it.

 

Nobody can give proof whether GSP was over 170 lbs, but I can give you proof that the Quebec commission has counted down to the decimal for past MMA event weigh-ins. I posted this in another thread but it seems relevant to this one too:

 

 

Ringside MMA 13 weigh ins, held under the Quebec athletic commission, counting down to the decimal. Same cast of characters.

Mar 17, 2012

 

265lbs- Eric Barrak (237.6) vs. Paul Cheng (252.8)
155lbs- Mike Ricci (156.0) vs. Tony Hervey (155.4)
160lbs- Kevin Morin (159.8) vs. Stephane Lamarche (158.2)
155lbs- Olivier Aubin-Mercier (155.4) vs. Daniel Ireland (155.4)
155lbs- David Lafond (155.8) vs. Tim Chessell (148.0)
170lbs- Yohan Gariepy (170.6) vs. Christ Franck (171.0)
265lbs- Vladimir Starcencov (255.6) vs. Stephane Tessier (244.6)
155lbs- Dave Pariseau (155.0) vs. Louis-Christophe Laurin (—)*
155lbs- Mic Dufort (152.6) vs. Kyle Nelson (153.8)

 

feel free to google weigh-in results for any other Ringside MMA event held in Montreal, you will see they measure decimals

So why the special rules for the UFC?


So no comments on this huh?

Someone did.  Boxing and smaller shows use the decimal.  UFC's in Montreal dating back to 2008, with or without GSP, have all used whole lbs.  Feel free to google every UFC in Montreal.  Any comments?

 

 

I have some comments. Where did you hear that they only use decimals for smaller shows and Boxing? Here's the results for UFC 124 in Montreal from December 2010:

 

Main Event – UFC Welterweight Championship
Georges St-Pierre (170) vs Josh Koscheck (169)

Stefan Struve (253) vs Sean McCorkle (264)
Joe Stevenson (155.5) vs Mac Danzig (156)
Thiago Alves (171) vs John Howard (171)
Charles Oliveira (153.5) vs Jim Miller (155)

UFC.COM PRELIMS
Joe Doerksen (185.5) vs Dan Miller (184.5)
Mark Bocek (155.5) vs Dustin Hazelett (155)

PRELIMS
Rafael Natal (185) vs Jesse Bongfeldt (185.5)
Sean Pierson (170.5) vs Matt Riddle (170.5)
Ricardo Almeida (170.5) vs TJ Grant (170)
John Makdessi (155) vs Pat Audinwood (156)

 

So even though they were clearly rounding them off to .5, they were using decimals

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If anyone can show even a single bit of proof that GSP was over 170, please let us see it. If anyone can show that the commission changed their policies for this fight versus every other event they have held there, please provide it.

 

Nobody can give proof whether GSP was over 170 lbs, but I can give you proof that the Quebec commission has counted down to the decimal for past MMA event weigh-ins. I posted this in another thread but it seems relevant to this one too:

 

 

Ringside MMA 13 weigh ins, held under the Quebec athletic commission, counting down to the decimal. Same cast of characters.

Mar 17, 2012

 

265lbs- Eric Barrak (237.6) vs. Paul Cheng (252.8)
155lbs- Mike Ricci (156.0) vs. Tony Hervey (155.4)
160lbs- Kevin Morin (159.8) vs. Stephane Lamarche (158.2)
155lbs- Olivier Aubin-Mercier (155.4) vs. Daniel Ireland (155.4)
155lbs- David Lafond (155.8) vs. Tim Chessell (148.0)
170lbs- Yohan Gariepy (170.6) vs. Christ Franck (171.0)
265lbs- Vladimir Starcencov (255.6) vs. Stephane Tessier (244.6)
155lbs- Dave Pariseau (155.0) vs. Louis-Christophe Laurin (—)*
155lbs- Mic Dufort (152.6) vs. Kyle Nelson (153.8)

 

feel free to google weigh-in results for any other Ringside MMA event held in Montreal, you will see they measure decimals

So why the special rules for the UFC?


So no comments on this huh?

Hadn't seen it thank you. It does prove the commission is full of shit.


From another thread

"vilGumby - I cornered a fighter for a title fight in a non-UFC regional promotion in Canada back in 2008 and back then the 170.X rule was in place. It was a in fact a welter weight title fight in that promotion and our opponent came in heavy (we came in at 169 if I remember correctly).

I argued long and loud both for a purse percentage as well as for our opponent to have to cut to 170.0. He was allowed to cut to 170.9 and allowed the fight with no penalties (as a title fight). Ultimately I sat down at the weigh-ins with both the commission as well as their lawyer and was told that 170.X was 170 and that was the way it was going to be. "The commission had spoken, case closed, etc."

This was at the Max Bell Center in Calgary, Alberta in 2008. Promotion was not UFC but it was the Canadian commission and this was their policy back then."

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"So even though they were clearly rounding them off to .5, they were using decimals"

Yes, for UFC 83 and 124 they used .5 decimals. For 97, 113, 154, and 158 they used no decimals.


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