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Fallon Fox, the first transgendered MMA fighter, and Peggy Morgan are on opposite sides of a $20,000 Championship Fighting Alliance tournament.

Both won their first fight, Fox over Ericka Newsome by knee KO in 39 seconds, and Morgan by unanimous decision over the formerly undefeated Revelina Berto.

To get to the finals, Morgan needs to beat Ashlee Evans-Smith on May 24. Fox is scheduled to fight Allanah Jones, although Jones has not committed to the contest, due to concerns about potential advantages a male to female transsexual might have in a fight in the women's division.

Fox appeared recently on MMA Inside MMA and said that women who don't want to fight her are likely either scared or bigoted.

"Some fighters have already said they do not want to fight me," said Fox. "I think that's because they're scared, number one, because I 'm pretty good. Or they might just have a bias and be a hateful person, who doesn't want to touch me, or whatever.

"But I don't want to fight those people anyways,  because they're scared and what kind of fight would that be? I want to fight someone who will come at me aggressively and wants to fight me. That's what I'm looking for." 

Morgan and her trainer John Fain, who were upset by the remarks, released what they later termed an 'inflammatory' video.

"Fallon Fox is not Rosa Parks," said Fain emphatically. "He's not trying to elevate anyone but himself, and he's making a mockery of women's MMA. He lied on his Florida state application to fight, and as a result, assaulted an unknowing woman in the cage. This is a total lack of character and integrity."

"We are not afraid of Fallon Fox, but we are not going to fight him."

 

Now through her management website, Morgan has released a more measured statement of why she will not fight Fox.

Ever since the news broke that Fallon Fox, one of the fighters in the CFA Women’s Featherweight Tournament, is a post-operative transsexual, there has been a lot of chatter in the media about whether or not she should be allowed to retain her fighter’s license and continue in the tournament. Like Fallon, I am a semi-finalist in the CFA tournament. Unlike Fallon, I was born with a vagina. Over the past three weeks, I’ve sat back and watched the story unfold without speaking out. The main reason I’ve stayed quiet is that it’s a delicate subject and I’m afraid of inadvertently offending people or of saying something that will be taken out of context and misconstrued. To that end, let me begin by saying I have no issues with lesbians, gays, bisexuals, or transgender individuals. I do, however, have issues with the argument that I, a born woman, should be expected to cage fight someone who was born and lived for thirty-one years as a man. As an athlete and a woman, I am frustrated by the way the situation has played out and by the fact that many people seem more concerned with preserving Fallon’s feelings than with protecting the physical safety of me and the other female competitors in the tournament.

Firstly, I am perturbed that Fallon did not disclose her transgender status before getting into the cage and fighting women. Yes, I know that her driver’s license says she’s a woman, but this does not obviate the fact that she was born and developed as a man. I have difficulty believing that she did not realize from the outset that were it known, her status as a transgender athlete would raise problems. I believe that not disclosing her medical history prior to competition reveals a lack of integrity as well as a lack of respect for the commission, for the promotion, and, most importantly, for the other fighters in the tournament. Now we have one woman who was brutally knocked out in a fight that in all likelihood should not have been sanctioned and three others who are waiting in limbo while the commission and the CFA scramble to sort things out.

Fallon has fought five times as a mixed martial artist, three times as an amateur and twice as a professional. In all five fights, she finished her female opponent in the first round. I am not an expert in gender reassignment, but I have a hard time believing that there is no correlation between Fallon’s success in the cage and the fact that she lived as a man for thirty-one years. Fallon argues that she won these fights because she is a highly skilled martial artist. She claims that any woman who refuses to fight her is really just scared. This is absolutely delusional. Before the news of Fallon’s sexual reassignment broke, I remember watching her warm up for her March 2nd fight and wondering how she’d finished all her opponents so quickly. I mean, she looked okay, but she definitely didn’t display the sort of technical mastery she claims to possess.

Ultimately, I do not think there is sufficient hard evidence to show that Fallon does not have physical advantages over the women she has fought. I understand why people are advocating for Fallon and I appreciate that it is important to protect her rights, but I think it should be just as important to protect the safety of the other women in the tournament. Until I am presented with conclusive evidence that a fight with Fallon would, in fact, be fair, I will not be entering the cage with her.

Peggy Morgan


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who is peggy morton? was she the wife on married with children?
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HexRei - who is peggy morton? was she the wife on married with children?

I don't think Peggy's name is mispelled anywhere there? If so, it was Chris. If not, it was me, definitely.

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Morgan is right. Being a man brings physical advantages and Fallon still has some or all of those advantages.
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Agreed! It's disturbing that people are being vilified because they are more worried about seeing a man beat up women, than protecting that man's feelings about how he sees himself.
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YVES JOCKSTRAP -  No she doesn't Phone Post

There was a recent article someone posted with comments by an endocryn specialist that says Fallon would still have a lot of the advantages of high testosterone still. Muscle and bone built over 31 years as a man just doesn't go away over night.
3/27/13 11:40 AM
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can you imagine if renan barao or dominic cruz got a sex change in order to fight ronda? that wouldn't be fair and neither is this.
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Right on Peggy.

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Is it true that fox's first opponant had no knowledge that she was fighting a man with tits abut no cock?

 

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"(Fallon Fox) lied on his Florida state application to fight, and as a result, assaulted an unknowing woman in the cage." said her trainer John Fain.

^ truth.

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Andy Rigg - can you imagine if renan barao or dominic cruz got a sex change in order to fight ronda? that wouldn't be fair and neither is this.
It wouldn't, but I'd buy the PPV. I'd probably watch the countdown shows, too. Phone Post
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I think this is a good and mature way to approach a difficult subject. What her manager/ trainer said was very unfortunate though.

Anyways she says she think Fallon has an obvious advantage and she would need a lot more scientific evidence to even think about competing with Fallon.

I think that is very fair. It should be about the science. If experts cannot conclusively rule out advantages related to gender the she should not be forces to fight her. Phone Post
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"(Fallon Fox) lied on his Florida state application to fight, and as a result, assaulted an unknowing woman in the cage." said her trainer John Fain.

^ truth.

Damn. Phone Post
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Yeah,
Its not that simple unfortunately.Science has come a long way. I agree with her statement and decision to not compete against her but its not an clear cut thing at all. Phone Post
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YVES JOCKSTRAP -  No she doesn't Phone Post

There was a recent article someone posted with comments by an endocryn specialist that says Fallon would still have a lot of the advantages of high testosterone still. Muscle and bone built over 31 years as a man just doesn't go away over night.

This. ^

Biologically is still a man with removed genitals and low testosterone levels.

Don't be silly with "She's a woman" comments.
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YVES JOCKSTRAP -  No she doesn't Phone Post

There was a recent article someone posted with comments by an endocryn specialist that says Fallon would still have a lot of the advantages of high testosterone still. Muscle and bone built over 31 years as a man just doesn't go away over night.

THis, when faced with unbiased scrutiny the kicking and screaming stops and they hide to gather the tolerance forces again and confuse the issues

 

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It's completely clear cut.  You don't get a sex change at 30 and choose beating the shit out of women in hand to hand combat as your profession.

 

That is completely unacceptable and demented.  If you want to be a woman fine, go be a woman.

 

You do NOT decide to be a woman so you can climb into a cage and beat the shit out of them.  That's beyond demented.

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Its not that simple unfortunately.Science has come a long way. I agree with her statement and decision to not compete against her but its not an clear cut thing at all. Phone Post

It is clear cut in that nothing science can do will change the chromosome make up of Fallon. Always will be an XY, and always will reap the benefits of going through puberty and 30 years of muscle/bone development as a man.

 

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Nice pun...intended?

Imagine now...someone slicing your cock in half and suturing those pieces to the inside of your thighs...and you become a woman!

Can't wait for the first transplanted uterus.
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Will someone please start a transgendered mma organization? Phone Post
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if woman can join the Infantry, they should fight man as well!!!!!

j/k. i'm not a fan of both..

it would be a good argument tho, (for why woman shouldn't be in the military infantry) Phone Post
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Not only is it fucked up that he's allowed to fight women, but the fact that he wants to brutally ko women tells me he has severe mental issues.

 

 

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"(Fallon Fox) lied on his Florida state application to fight, and as a result, assaulted an unknowing woman in the cage." said her trainer John Fain.

^ truth.


Sums up my feelings on the entire situation.


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