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3/27/13 3:24 PM
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Sarah Kaufman
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I can understand that this is a very delicate issue; however, I completely agree with Peggy. Without conclusive evidence that Fallen has zero advantages remaining from her 31 years as a male, I don't believe that Peggy (or any female) should be forced to fight her.

It's hard to believe that Fallen would just lose all muscle/ body composition developed after puberty by taking some hormones/ suppressants. I'm 100% for people pursuing their dreams, but not at the expense of someone else. 

3/27/13 3:34 PM
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^You might have a point, but I got no problem with a dude that wants to chop the twig and berries, take hormones, grow breasts and whatever.

 

The problem is you did all this to fight girls hand to hand.  No, that's ridiculous.

 

It's not even a question.  You go from a dude to a chick because you have your reasons and they're none of my business I don't have a problem with that.

 

You go from a dude to a post-op tranny that wants to lay the smack down on women for fame and fortune and maybe because you like beating the shit out of them and couldn't do it as a man legally before your operation and we definitely have a problem.

 

This even being a question is insane to me.  Completely and totally over the top insane.

 

 


amen.

You cheeky bugger, VTFU.

 

 

3/27/13 3:43 PM
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Sarah Kaufman - 

I can understand that this is a very delicate issue; however, I completely agree with Peggy. Without conclusive evidence that Fallen has zero advantages remaining from her 31 years as a male, I don't believe that Peggy (or any female) should be forced to fight her.

It's hard to believe that Fallen would just lose all muscle/ body composition developed after puberty by taking some hormones/ suppressants. I'm 100% for people pursuing their dreams, but not at the expense of someone else. 


This right here is one of the people most in the right to have opinions on this and most likely yo get flack for honesty over this.

 

Much Respect Sarah for the logical opinion, I share 100%, let unbiased scrutiny to the talking.

3/27/13 3:44 PM
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Herpaderp - that cnn interview is terrible... its not unfair that she didnt know its unfair that she has the skeletal and muscle structure of a male, fucking people without common sense holy chit

CNN is only interested in sensational headlines and jumping on half the issue.

3/27/13 3:47 PM
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Herpaderp - that cnn interview is terrible... its not unfair that she didnt know its unfair that she has the skeletal and muscle structure of a male, fucking people without common sense holy chit

CNN is only interested in sensational headlines and jumping on half the issue.


You respondin to a troll account
3/27/13 3:50 PM
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Herpaderp - that cnn interview is terrible... its not unfair that she didnt know its unfair that she has the skeletal and muscle structure of a male, fucking people without common sense holy chit

CNN is only interested in sensational headlines and jumping on half the issue.


You respondin to a troll account

D'oh, either way CNN bungles everything for that purpose for or against the issue.

 

Thanks for the heads up I didn't even look at the name just saw CNN I hate CNN

3/27/13 3:54 PM
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Sarah Kaufman - 

I can understand that this is a very delicate issue; however, I completely agree with Peggy. Without conclusive evidence that Fallen has zero advantages remaining from her 31 years as a male, I don't believe that Peggy (or any female) should be forced to fight her.

It's hard to believe that Fallen would just lose all muscle/ body composition developed after puberty by taking some hormones/ suppressants. I'm 100% for people pursuing their dreams, but not at the expense of someone else. 


^This.

To fight women, it should be Fox's burden to show by clear and convincing evidence that going through puberty as a male doesn't presently offer any advantages.  If Fox can't show that, then that's simply too bad.  Many folks are inelligible for fight licenses for any number of reasons. 

Alternatively, Fox could cease taking female hormones, obtain a TUE to replace the testosterone that's no longer being produced as a result of the operation, and fight as a MALE. 

But fighting women?  Without having to establish there is no advantage?  Even though Fox's own physique and fight results so far both suggest a substantial advantage??  That's ridiculous. 

And how is it that Sarah's been on since 2008 and only has about 40 vote ups?  VTFUed on principle . . .

3/27/13 3:59 PM
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Not only is it fucked up that he's allowed to fight women, but the fact that he wants to brutally ko women tells me he has severe mental issues.

 

 


The whole sex change thing didn't tip you off first?

3/27/13 4:03 PM
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LOL Fallon is banning anyone from her facebook page asking her to provide unbiased proof and her brain fart supporters throw a hissy fit at anyone making respectful point about proof on youtube and everywhere else.

Shitheads

3/27/13 4:08 PM
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That girl is a dude.

3/27/13 4:14 PM
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3/27/13 4:19 PM
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3/27/13 4:21 PM
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GrappleGirl - All I can say is chromosomes don't lie. I have fought men before, but.... Knew they were men & knew what I was getting myself into.

Also I'm sure the men your were competing with didn't think about KNOCKING you out...This Fallon Fox is kinda messed up to want to KO women in a cage and get paid for it...He/it is basically a legal paid women beater.....Also good luck with everything in the future GrappleGirl
3/27/13 4:26 PM
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3/27/13 4:30 PM
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Sarah Kaufman - 

I can understand that this is a very delicate issue; however, I completely agree with Peggy. Without conclusive evidence that Fallen has zero advantages remaining from her 31 years as a male, I don't believe that Peggy (or any female) should be forced to fight her.

It's hard to believe that Fallen would just lose all muscle/ body composition developed after puberty by taking some hormones/ suppressants. I'm 100% for people pursuing their dreams, but not at the expense of someone else. 


This issue is only delicate for people that are too unintelligent to control their breathing process.

 

For real.

3/27/13 4:33 PM
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You guys wouldn't fucking believe how many people have called me an asshole for saying that this person has an advantage over natural women.  Ignorant, transphobe, and even sexist because I'm so bold as to claim the male frame has a mechanical advantage over the female frame.  The whole thing is PC nonsense gone mad and although I knew people were a bunch of silly bitches this blowback has really caught me by surprise.

The trend seems to be that they're pushing for a transwoman to be thought of as a 100% real woman, regardless of how long she was a man before the surgery.  And so far 5 women have gotten the fuck beaten out of them by someone that used to be a man with that thinking.


It's a result of this whole movement that everyone needs to be treated exactly the same and it's bullshit. Men and wemon ARE DIFFERENT for good reason and you cannot celebrate diversity while pretending we are all the same. I've heard a lot of the backlash you've ben getting and it's insanity. Not wanting a former man fighting women does NOT mean you have any animus feeling toward them.

3/27/13 4:34 PM
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I am glad Peggy actually came out with a statement of her own, it was fucking bizarre how she just sat there like a dummy while her manager talked on Inside MMA.
3/27/13 4:39 PM
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good luck next weekend Sarah. Can't wait to see you in the UFC.

3/27/13 5:46 PM
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It's pretty messed up that this person lived the vast majority of their adult life as a man (over 30 years) has a sex change, and now apparently it's ok for her to beat up other women and knock them out viciously.

Either fight other men who've also had sex changes or don't fight at all. Yeh, that puts her potential opponents close to zero, but that's the price you pay when you have a sex change and decide to participate in a sometimes BRUTAL COMBAT SPORT. This isn't golf or tennis, this is beating the shit out of people and, as she's shown, sometimes knocking them out by bashing your knee against their face.

She is and always will be a transsexual woman and not 100% woman. If she started drugs treatment BEFORE she hit puberty (Google: Jackie Green Documentary Transsexual Beauty Queen), then sure, but she went through the changes and growth of a man and now some are taking the words of a few doctors about how they THINK because of drugs she's reversed the transition to become a woman as fact of her being 100% woman.

It's sad that so many people who support this Fox person ignore the safety of female athletes and instead think this is some kind of LGBT issue that has to be fought on their individual principles as opposed to common-sense and reality of someone with a guys physique brutalising female athletes. I guess they have no issue with men beating the shit out of women.

I'm surprised more feminist groups/writers didn't weigh in on this issue. I guess they'll mostly stay silent in case they get labelled homophobic/transphobic/etc and ignore the fact that a person with a guy's physique could go on to viscously beat up some more women...potentially knocking them out again.

I bet this Fallon Fox would beat up a large percentage of guys too and possibly knock them out too...not JUST because she is trained in combat, but also because she most likely still has the physical advantages of a man contrary to what her supporters would have people believe. You don't just reverse almost 2 decades worth of natural body changes of a man just because you had surgery and started taking certain drugs.
3/27/13 5:49 PM
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dawley - I'd almost be on board to support mr/mrs fox.....EXCEPT HE/SHE LIED when applying for her license to fight. If you lie on anything else, you're denied. Fox deserves the same repercussion. Phone Post
Why even then? He's still beating up women even if he didn't lie. I think the whole argument is about the advantage a male fighter has over a female fighter? Phone Post
I was being sarcastic and pointing out a huge fact that's overlooked. If I fight and lie about my age, name, anything- denied. But he lied and still allowed? It's bullshit Phone Post
I see, agreed. Phone Post
3/27/13 5:56 PM
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I wish Cyborg could fight her because fallon will realize how it feels to be beat up by a man. Phone Post
3/27/13 6:03 PM
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Did she train or fight when she was a man?

Not that it matters but it would be pretty fucked up if she did. Phone Post
3/27/13 6:08 PM
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Dunno, but thinking maybe tried it on, got shitkicked and then thought 'but what if I beat up girls?'

 

Ka Ching!

 

Like some horribly demented people might if they were that fucked up

 

Just my opinion, but you have to have some dark motherfucking demons to try this on for size.

 

It's like a movie so bad no one would watch it.

3/27/13 6:09 PM
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Not only is it fucked up that he's allowed to fight women, but the fact that he wants to brutally ko women tells me he has severe mental issues.

 

 

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3/27/13 6:09 PM
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BigWilliam - Morgan is right. Being a man brings physical advantages and Fallon still has some or all of those advantages.
You're just being ignorant and haven't done the research. You are an ignorant bigot!

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