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3/28/13 3:34 PM
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Bry Bry
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we all grow up thinking and believing that the strong guys are the tough guys, the guys that are the best fighters..well, just take an average joe that has no interest in bjj or wrestling/boxing and have him start working out..in a few years he is 20 pounds heavier and can bench press 300, squat 400 and deadlift 500..he doesnt strictly powerlift, he goes into higher rep ranges(10-12) as well..he does chin-ups, pullups etc etc...

now, does this lifting make him a better fighter on its own or does it hinder him in certain ways??like for instance he will gas out faster than others due to his muscle mass OR he will try to use his size/strength to bully and end up paying for it...?

yes or no??
3/28/13 3:38 PM
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3/28/13 3:39 PM
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Strength training = increased strength.

Fighters don't seem to do the conventional workouts you would generally see at your average gym though.

3/28/13 3:40 PM
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How can be being stronger be a problem? Phone Post
3/28/13 3:44 PM
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All things being equal skill and cardio wise (in this hypothetical situation), the stronger guy would probably win by having an advantage over his opponent.
3/28/13 3:58 PM
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S and C is very important. The issue comes in when you get excessive muscle to the point that the tissue demand exceeds oxygen supply. Phone Post
3/28/13 3:59 PM
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Bry Bry - we all grow up thinking and believing that the strong guys are the tough guys, the guys that are the best fighters..well, just take an average joe that has no interest in bjj or wrestling/boxing and have him start working out..in a few years he is 20 pounds heavier and can bench press 300, squat 400 and deadlift 500..he doesnt strictly powerlift, he goes into higher rep ranges(10-12) as well..he does chin-ups, pullups etc etc...

now, does this lifting make him a better fighter on its own or does it hinder him in certain ways??like for instance he will gas out faster than others due to his muscle mass OR he will try to use his size/strength to bully and end up paying for it...?

yes or no??
He would has out having 20 lbs extra of muscle on his frame. Apart from that I can't see a downside. Phone Post
3/28/13 4:02 PM
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it can also make you a big-for-nothin. I love the huge tough guys that can't even run a mile but the strength you have in your example sounds perfect for being an athlete
3/28/13 4:31 PM
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3/28/13 4:32 PM
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Functional weightlifting, yes.


Beach body lifting, no. Phone Post
3/28/13 4:42 PM
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^^hmm interesting how that word 'functional' always comes into these debates..every lift you perform serves a particular function imo so how do you separate the functional lifts from -non-functional lifts?i have always been interested in this..

abe froman-i think it could hurt only in that if you are a stronger guy, then you will try to use it to crush your opponent..i have seen a few vids on here of very strong guys literally trying to manhandle their oppts(either by getting oppt in headlock or repeatedly slamming oppt to the ground) only to become flustered when their oppt didnt back down or quit...then the strong guy doesnt know what to do..
3/28/13 4:44 PM
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Functional as in things that increase speed, punching or kicking power, neck strengthening etc.


Doing bicep curls, bench press etc every day won't do much but make you gas quicker. Phone Post
3/28/13 4:52 PM
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Bry Bry - ^^hmm interesting how that word 'functional' always comes into these debates..every lift you perform serves a particular function imo so how do you separate the functional lifts from -non-functional lifts?i have always been interested in this..

abe froman-i think it could hurt only in that if you are a stronger guy, then you will try to use it to crush your opponent..i have seen a few vids on here of very strong guys literally trying to manhandle their oppts(either by getting oppt in headlock or repeatedly slamming oppt to the ground) only to become flustered when their oppt didnt back down or quit...then the strong guy doesnt know what to do..

Typically, when people talk about "functional" lifting, they're talking about compound/oly type lifts like deads, cleans, etc. or they're talking about sport-specific type training that has a direct impact on your ability to execute techniques more explosively.
3/28/13 4:54 PM
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which movements increase punching and kicking power?

benching increases explosive power ..for instance if someone is on top of you, if you are a strong bencher, you could literally just press them off of you..every weight-lifting movement could technically serve some purpose in a fight..training bicep curls wouldnt be worthless either imo as it makes your biceps much strong, increases strength of a choke hold..
3/28/13 4:54 PM
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Just think if you were to fight yourself. there is a not strong version of you and there is a very strong version of you. Both versions are equal in skill and stamina. Which version of you wins?
3/28/13 4:58 PM
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Bry Bry - which movements increase punching and kicking power?

benching increases explosive power ..for instance if someone is on top of you, if you are a strong bencher, you could literally just press them off of you..every weight-lifting movement could technically serve some purpose in a fight..training bicep curls wouldnt be worthless either imo as it makes your biceps much strong, increases strength of a choke hold..
You can't bench aomebody off of tou unless you are a HW fighting a WW ir something. Even then it's be hard.

And if you are doing curls to get better at chokes, you are doing it wrong. Phone Post
3/28/13 5:00 PM
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Lifting weights in general will make you stronger obviously, it beats being a penil neck all things being equal, but if you are doing beach body routines to become a better fighter, you will end up disappointed Phone Post
3/28/13 5:06 PM
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My game has improved considerably sine I've added in consistent lifting over the past 2-3 years Phone Post
3/28/13 5:06 PM
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the moment you touch a weight you become a worse fighter. real fighters do chinups, pushups, and situps. and they only eat soup. if you're doing anything other than that all you are doing is turning yourself into a little girl.

3/28/13 5:06 PM
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3/28/13 5:13 PM
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Large muscle mass also hinders agility, lets not forget that. Yeah you'll be stronger but rarely are bigger guys faster. Not to mention the bigger you get the less range of motion you will have. 

It will help in wrestling though having that extra strength will buy you a bit of an advantage. But the cost will be your gas tank, bigger muscles cost more oxygen to run. 

Last but not least punching KO power comes from the legs, not having big arms and a large upper body. Its also more technique / punching style vs anything else. 

3/28/13 5:27 PM
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Bry Bry - which movements increase punching and kicking power?

benching increases explosive power ..for instance if someone is on top of you, if you are a strong bencher, you could literally just press them off of you..every weight-lifting movement could technically serve some purpose in a fight..training bicep curls wouldnt be worthless either imo as it makes your biceps much strong, increases strength of a choke hold..

It's generally not what you would think of directly (ie, leg extensions to increase kicking power).

Pretty much any Olympic lift is going to train your core and posterior chain which increases your overall strength and applies well to most athletic movements.

As mentioned above, your power in executing striking techniques doesn't necessarily come from big muscles, but ability for those muscles to work together in an efficient way. That's why compound lifts are more valuable than isolated lifts like curls.

You'll also see guys doing lunges or sprints (sometimes with resistance) as this applies well to wrestling and shooting in. Again, it isn't just building muscle on your legs, it's training your body to execute a certain type of motion in a coordinated and explosive fashion.
3/28/13 5:32 PM
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Bigger muscles=smaller gas tank. Phone Post
3/28/13 5:36 PM
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"lifting weights" as you say can make you a better athlete. the lay person doesnt understand that resistance training needs to be sport specific and is a must for mma. however too many fighers have bogus s&c coaches that dont know their arse from their elbow and have them doing ridiculous training. circuit style resistance training with an emphasis on local muscular endurance is a must. there are many other aspects that can be implemented but it must be specific for each athlete.


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