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3/28/13 11:31 PM
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Kirik just revived TLI interest. Well done sir...bwahaha. Phone Post
3/28/13 11:37 PM
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Pressure?

If they could have filed a lawsuit, they would have...you know it, I know it, everyone on this forum knows it.

 

Kirik - your excuse for doing a scumbag's bidding is pathetic, and reflects poorly on you as a man.

3/28/13 11:38 PM
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So he gets the www.lloydirvinrapeexposed.com site "down for maintenance" and then scares / bullies the UG to remove this. Pretty fucked up.

Dude is a grade A piece of shit. And Llimp Lloyd Irvin, if your lawyers want to send me a letter bc I called you that, i'll tell them they're pieces of shit too. I'm entitled to my opinion and Llimp dick, lazy eyed, lisp having mother f'ers like you won't stop that.
3/28/13 11:40 PM
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What's really sad is the fact that women, and children, have more than likely suffered sexual abuse as a direct result of the actions of the person - or persons - who run this forum.

Lives: ruined for the sake of what...? - Money? Respect...?
3/28/13 11:41 PM
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3/28/13 11:43 PM
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MickColins -

Awesome Phone Post
3/28/13 11:50 PM
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"Master" Irvin participated in the gang-rape of an underage girl in 1990.  He was acquitted by exploiting a loophole in the law regarding his actions as an accessory to the gang-rape by claiming that although he wished to participate in the beating, rape, and forced sodomy of a 17 year old girl, he was temporarily unable to achieve an erection.   He has never publicly apologized for his actions, or taken any responsibility.   Five of his co-conspirators were convicted and sentenced.

When two of his students violently beat and raped a female student from his academy, he closed his public web-pages, quickly purchased the domain 'LloydIrvinRape.com', and issued several news releases regarding his rape-prevention seminars.  This was an overt attempt to control search-engine results and further bury his despicable actions.  He then brought his public pages back online and immediately deleted any questions regarding his prior history as an enthusiastic participant in gang-rape.  This is the person that you are supporting by attending his seminars or enrolling in his schools.  He is without an ethical backbone, and an unfit role model.  He is the lowest form of a man.  He is a disgrace to any sport , activity, or person with whom he associates.  

3/28/13 11:52 PM
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...what else was posted in the deleted thread?

Was there perhaps a timeline, detailing everything that's happened?
3/28/13 11:56 PM
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what a bunch of bullshit
3/28/13 11:57 PM
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ALL of the below material has been allegedly stated about lloyd irvin. these are accusations that have not been vetted in a court of law.


Lloyd Irvin Rape and Fraud Timeline


Since there have been lots of events coming to light, I think it’s important to document a timeline and provide relevant links. The purpose of this site is to shine a light on his character and let the reader judge for themselves.



12/31/2012 (Made public on Jan 9)
New Years Eve (Alleged) rape by Two Lloyd Irvin students on a third student.

1/9/2013
Luca Atalla, owner of Gracie Magazine was flown by Lloyd Irvin to his MMA Millionare seminar as a speaker and supporter of Lloyd. Insiders say Luca is fully a Lloyd supporter and has “drank the KoolAid”.

1/10/2013
Lloyd takes advantage of students’ rape charges to market his own seminars, buying LloydIrvinRape.com, posting at least 8 YouTube rape seminar videos, and issuing a press release.

1/14/2013- Lloyd’s involvement in a gang rape gets exposed to the masses.
- Lloyd Irvin black belt affiliate Phil Proctor calls Lloyd’s gang rape case victim a whore.

1/17/2013
Tom Callos, Keenan’s father, pleas for Keenan to leave TLI and for karma to do her thing with Lloyd.

1/18/2013
Ryan Hall (former star TLI student) writes an open letter to the martial arts community about integrity.

1/19/2013
One of Lloyd’s largest affiliate schools – Beta Academy – drops affiliation.

1/20/2013
Gracie Academy brothers talk about the rape case including a win-at-all-costs mentality breeding a bad culture.

1/21/2013
We get a cease and desist order as well as legal threats. We offer to take down any information that is in violation of US laws; a list isn’t forthcoming. Our hosting company is offered ~$200 to take down the site and declines. HIS upstream provider is offered $800 and shuts down the site immediately. We move the site outside of the US over the next couple of days.

1/22/2013
Lloyd Irvin’s MMA Mastermind insider speaks out about the group.

1/23/2013
More than 3 weeks after the event, Lloyd issues a statement about the NYE rape and his own gang rape involvement.

2/15/2013
Lloyd brags to his list about being featured in Forbes and how successful it is. Come to find out, it’s nothing but a paid ad.

2/19/2013
- Nakapan Phungephorn, former Lloyd Irvin MMA Millionaire Mastermind exposes entire seminar series as a scam.
- Lloyd immediately has a response video ready.

2/20/2013
- Through forum posts and searches, it comes out that Lloyd has an IRS tax judgement pending for almost $300,000.
- More searching finds someone filed a restraining order against Lloyd.

2/23/2013
More digging finds a news article showing Lloyd Irvin was involved in real estate seminr “scams” before the BJJ ones.

2/27/2013
- Jordan Shultz and all of the TLI star students leave the team.
- Lloyd cooercing sex from female students is the alleged reason for the mass walkout of the team.

3/1/2013
Three more insiders speak out on the Lloyd Irvin MMA Millionaire Mastermind events. Includes Lloyd allegedly fondling the wife of one seminr student while hugging on a BJJ student.

Other:
Lloyd’s Sambo coach Mark Densberger is conviceted of molesting his own sons.
3/29/13 12:00 AM
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The following statements are a piece of creative writing. Any resemblance to actual events is purely coincidental and not intended:

As far as the case is concerned I have been asked to write a message here for one of the victims to another one. This girl said " Tell the girl from overseas that if she comes forward then I will to." I know there are a few of you that know who I am talking about and if you could relay that it would be excellent. It seems that many of the people who had incidents are just kind of afraid to be the first one and want someone else to get the ball rolling , because theyre afrai that if they go forward they will be the only one. According to her the inappropriate behaviour stemmed from more than just Lloyd but there were many instances where things that would not be tolerated in a normal environment. people that had won the worlds at any level were able to pretty much do whatever they wanted socially. the pecking order bread contempt but also an environment where people were easily taken advantage of.



My friend (this guy got ripped off for more than anyone else I know) is preparing a piece that he is going to send to the news agencies and media in the prince georges county area tomorrow, we are hoping we can get the media to pick this up and run with it. how/why?

A prominent local martial arts teacher who is teaching underpriviled kids (those most at risk) has a history of:

A)being involved in the gangrape of an underage girl (yes he was aquitted of raping her himself but he was by all acounts involved)

b)being instructed and taught values by another man who was later found to have had sex with his 3 teen/preteen sons, forced them to have sex with each other, and forced them to bring home underage girls for lloyds coach to film also. Some say the apple doesnt fall far. There is no word on if Lloyd ever had involvement with the 3 sexually molested boys or not.

c) being the coach of two men that violently gang raped yet another of his students on new years eve. One of the perpetrators told the victim "sorry, im a sick bastard" before zipping his pants, dropping her lifeless limp body to the ground and leaving her for dead. Lloyd said he supported the girl fully, he then paid for the lawyer for his two students that viciously raped her.

So, hopefully this gets picked up by the news, the legal part is in the wrks and I think thats about it Hopefully All of the girls that were training at Lloyds get to see this post or hear about it and come forward with the knowledge that others will follow if you break that ground! I tried to explain to the girl I talked to that by coming forward they would be preventing similar abuses in the future.
3/29/13 12:04 AM
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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/3/5/4066506/team-lloyd-irvin-sex-abuse-cult-power-medal-chasers-exodus
3/29/13 12:04 AM
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Timeline from lloydirvinrapeexposed.com for good measure...

12/31/2012 (Made public on Jan 9)
New Years Eve (Alleged) rape by Two Lloyd Irvin students on a third student.

1/9/2013
Luca Atalla, owner of Gracie Magazine was (ALLEGEDLY) flown by Lloyd Irvin to his MMA Millionare seminar as a speaker and supporter of Lloyd. Insiders say Luca is (ALLEGEDLY) fully a Lloyd supporter and has “drank the KoolAid”.

1/10/2013
Lloyd (ALLEGEDLY) takes advantage of students’ rape charges to market his own seminars, buying LloydIrvinRape.com, posting at least 8 YouTube rape seminar videos, and issuing a press release.

1/14/2013- Lloyd’s involvement in a gang rape gets exposed to the masses.
- Lloyd Irvin black belt affiliate Phil Proctor (ALLEGEDLY) calls Lloyd’s gang rape case victim a whore.

1/17/2013
Tom Callos, Keenan’s father, (ALLEGEDLY) pleas for Keenan to leave TLI and for karma to do her thing with Lloyd.

1/18/2013
Ryan Hall (former star TLI student) (ALLEGEDLY) writes an open letter to the martial arts community about integrity.

1/19/2013
One of Lloyd’s largest affiliate schools – Beta Academy – (ALLEGEDLY) drops affiliation.

1/20/2013
Gracie Academy brothers (ALLEGEDLY) talk about the rape case including a win-at-all-costs mentality breeding a bad culture.

1/21/2013
We (ALLEGEDLY) get a cease and desist order as well as legal threats. We offer to take down any information that is in violation of US laws; a list isn’t forthcoming. Our hosting company is offered ~$200 to take down the site and declines. HIS upstream provider is offered $800 and shuts down the site immediately. We move the site outside of the US over the next couple of days.

1/22/2013
Lloyd Irvin’s (ALLEGED) MMA Mastermind insider speaks out about the group. (Whose thread eventually gets deleted)

1/23/2013
More than 3 weeks after the event, Lloyd issues a statement about the NYE rape and his own gang rape involvement. (Which makes the UG news, although none of the aforementioned information is reported)

2/15/2013
Lloyd )ALLEGEDLY) brags to his list about being featured in Forbes and how successful it is. Come to find out, it’s nothing but a paid ad.

2/19/2013
- Nakapan Phungephorn, former Lloyd Irvin MMA Millionaire Mastermind exposes entire seminar series as a (ALLEGED) scam.
- Lloyd immediately has a response video ready.

2/20/2013
- Through forum posts and searches, it comes out that Lloyd has an (ALLEGED) IRS tax judgement pending for almost $300,000.
- More searching finds someone (ALLEGEDLY) filed a restraining order against Lloyd.

2/23/2013
More digging finds a news article (ALLEGEDLY) showing Lloyd Irvin was involved in real estate seminr “scams” before the BJJ ones.

2/27/2013
- Jordan Shultz and all of the TLI star students (ALLEGEDLY) leave the team.
- Lloyd cooercing sex from female students is the alleged reason for the mass walkout of the team.

3/1/2013
Three more insiders speak out on the Lloyd Irvin MMA Millionaire Mastermind events. Includes Lloyd allegedly fondling the wife of one seminr student while hugging on a BJJ student.
3/29/13 12:06 AM
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bmoney - Timeline from lloydirvinrapeexposed.com for good measure...

12/31/2012 (Made public on Jan 9)
New Years Eve (Alleged) rape by Two Lloyd Irvin students on a third student.

1/9/2013
Luca Atalla, owner of Gracie Magazine was (ALLEGEDLY) flown by Lloyd Irvin to his MMA Millionare seminar as a speaker and supporter of Lloyd. Insiders say Luca is (ALLEGEDLY) fully a Lloyd supporter and has “drank the KoolAid”.

1/10/2013
Lloyd (ALLEGEDLY) takes advantage of students’ rape charges to market his own seminars, buying LloydIrvinRape.com, posting at least 8 YouTube rape seminar videos, and issuing a press release.

1/14/2013- Lloyd’s involvement in a gang rape gets exposed to the masses.
- Lloyd Irvin black belt affiliate Phil Proctor (ALLEGEDLY) calls Lloyd’s gang rape case victim a whore.

1/17/2013
Tom Callos, Keenan’s father, (ALLEGEDLY) pleas for Keenan to leave TLI and for karma to do her thing with Lloyd.

1/18/2013
Ryan Hall (former star TLI student) (ALLEGEDLY) writes an open letter to the martial arts community about integrity.

1/19/2013
One of Lloyd’s largest affiliate schools – Beta Academy – (ALLEGEDLY) drops affiliation.

1/20/2013
Gracie Academy brothers (ALLEGEDLY) talk about the rape case including a win-at-all-costs mentality breeding a bad culture.

1/21/2013
We (ALLEGEDLY) get a cease and desist order as well as legal threats. We offer to take down any information that is in violation of US laws; a list isn’t forthcoming. Our hosting company is offered ~$200 to take down the site and declines. HIS upstream provider is offered $800 and shuts down the site immediately. We move the site outside of the US over the next couple of days.

1/22/2013
Lloyd Irvin’s (ALLEGED) MMA Mastermind insider speaks out about the group. (Whose thread eventually gets deleted)

1/23/2013
More than 3 weeks after the event, Lloyd issues a statement about the NYE rape and his own gang rape involvement. (Which makes the UG news, although none of the aforementioned information is reported)

2/15/2013
Lloyd )ALLEGEDLY) brags to his list about being featured in Forbes and how successful it is. Come to find out, it’s nothing but a paid ad.

2/19/2013
- Nakapan Phungephorn, former Lloyd Irvin MMA Millionaire Mastermind exposes entire seminar series as a (ALLEGED) scam.
- Lloyd immediately has a response video ready.

2/20/2013
- Through forum posts and searches, it comes out that Lloyd has an (ALLEGED) IRS tax judgement pending for almost $300,000.
- More searching finds someone (ALLEGEDLY) filed a restraining order against Lloyd.

2/23/2013
More digging finds a news article (ALLEGEDLY) showing Lloyd Irvin was involved in real estate seminr “scams” before the BJJ ones.

2/27/2013
- Jordan Shultz and all of the TLI star students (ALLEGEDLY) leave the team.
- Lloyd cooercing sex from female students is the alleged reason for the mass walkout of the team.

3/1/2013
Three more insiders speak out on the Lloyd Irvin MMA Millionaire Mastermind events. Includes Lloyd allegedly fondling the wife of one seminr student while hugging on a BJJ student.

good t0 have it twice in case you mysteriously disappear
3/29/13 12:06 AM
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from a bloody elbow article

statement by jordan schutlz former TLI member

"She said that when she first joined the team she was given a set of rules. She was told exactly how she should act. Everyone on the team follows the principle of the Android. An Android does what they are commanded with no question and no hesitation. Whatever the Programmer says the Android does. According to the Martial Arts instructor this correlates to Martial Arts if the coach gives a command and the athlete hesitates or questions for a moment it can cost them the match. That is the importance of being an Android.

...

She told me while crying that her instructor would both ask and instruct her to do sexually inappropriate things with him. Re-affirming his instructions with things like "I thought you said you wanted to be a world champion, and you said you would do anything I tell you to do without hesitation". He would make her repeat to him over and over that she loved him like a script.

If she ever hesitated or questioned he would call her a liar and say that she didn't really want to become a world champion and she wasn't serious about her goals.

This activity went on for a couple months and then he asked her is she would give herself to him sexually fully, and if she would take the next step and have full sexual intercourse with him.

That's when she broke down and came to me she was so wrapped up and confused about the tests and hazing she came to me for guidance. And I am happy she did so that I could protect her."
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Really? You guys are attacking Kirik for this? Put yourself in his situation.

1. Be threatened with legal action that may or may not come back to haunt him if the thread is kept alive

Or

2. Delete the thread and make a statement regarding and citing why

What would you guys do in this situation? It is great to theoretically do the right thing but until all of the accusations are proven as fact, perhaps Kirik is making the right choice in the matter rather than facing legal action? Phone Post
3/29/13 12:08 AM
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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/3/22/4130050/team-lloyd-irvin-dj-jackson-2008-sexual-abuse-charge/in/3625585
3/29/13 12:11 AM
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DJ Jackson (TLI member and kids program coach) has 2 outstanding warrants in Sioux County for failure to appear. Both are related to FECR012155, which is the case number for the sexual abuse charges.
3/29/13 12:11 AM
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gusto - hey fuzzy, remember when i said I was copying some of your posts to my hard drive


and you said "Why"

LOL @ U playa.
Respect, fren. Phone Post
3/29/13 12:12 AM
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Tom Lawlor -  Really? You guys are attacking Kirik for this? Put yourself in his situation.

1. Be threatened with legal action that may or may not come back to haunt him if the thread is kept alive

Or

2. Delete the thread and make a statement regarding and citing why

What would you guys do in this situation? It is great to theoretically do the right thing but until all of the accusations are proven as fact, perhaps Kirik is making the right choice in the matter rather than facing legal action? Phone Post

yes, i really am attacking kirik for this, really (or whomever advised him).

lloyd has no case and is using intimidation tactics.

3/29/13 12:17 AM
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wait...people are surprised that kirik is "protecting" TLI?
3/29/13 12:19 AM
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gusto - Dont take this as an insult seriously, but Lloyd has (ALLEGEDLY) intimidated guys recently with some of the best martial arts pedigrees ive ever heard of in BJJ, Muay thai, and boxing, there is no reason to think that he and his cohorts (ALLEGEDLY) could not scare people that work behind computers and dont train or fight at all. It is (ALLEGEDLY) easy to forget the power of intimidation.

As far as the site goes, it is strange to hear that Kirik (ALLEGEDLY) doesnt want to make the sport look bad, and (ALLEGEDLY) hates bad news etc etc in regard to posting things about lloyds (ALLEGED) past and (ALLEGED) present rape scenarios, while hermes franca had his rape case all over the fron page of this very site even before he was tried and convicted. A guy that (ALLEGEDLY) only uses the ufc as a marketing tool will bring more ill will to the sport than a former belt contender for the UFC and one of the most outlandish/visible fighters to this day? To me this is (ALLEGEDLY) inconsistant.



Additionally, as many of you probably remember there (ALLEGEDLY) was a thread here a few years ago that made mention of his (ALLEGED) old rape case. that (ALLEGEDLY) gotripped off of the forrum with the quickness along with any mentions of it being "what if'ed" and (ALLEGEDLY) eventually deleted. Now, is it not reasonable to assume that if that thread had stayed up and played its course that there (ALLEGEDLY) may not be a whole team of girls that have been being (ALLEGEDLY) sexually abused by the guy we were describing here way back then? Instead of having War Machine be apparently the only person in the world that (ALLEGEDLY) knew Lloyd had been (ALLEGEDLY) involved in a post party gangrape of an (ALLEGEDLY) underaged girl, the entire community could have known and the people that did decide to go to that team could have been extremely leary of the things lloyds (ALLEGEDLY) been doing. (ALLEGEDLY) calling female students at all hours of the night to come to his suite for massages, (ALLEGEDLY) sleeping in their beds, (ALLEGEDLY) them sleeping in his. (ALLEGEDLY) coming over for drinks. people would have seen this for what it was. But no. (ALLEGEDLY) thread deleted. What if'ed and deleted. THAT gives this community a black eye. and the fact that the leaders (ALLEGEDLY) remain silent on it is devestating to many of us here that have had nothing but respect for many of the people tthat have made this place what it is.
This is how its done. Niiice Phone Post
3/29/13 12:20 AM
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first page of thread here (cached):

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pFKoSp3x6ogJ:www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm%3Fgo%3Dforum.posts%26thread%3D2140273%26forum%3D11%26page%3D1%26pc%3D2403+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
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haha i made screen caps of Fuzzy's first few posts also...but I guess others have learned to do so as well :)
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I am of the opinion that LI and his cronies are scumbag assclowns. Phone Post

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