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3/29/13 11:45 AM
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What the hell?!?? If Mike Mersch thought for one second that changing the rules to give GSP almost a whole extra pound (90 nickels) was within the rules or the contract.... then why did he LIE about it to Diaz's lawyer later on weigh-in night?!!!

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/3/28/4158616/ufc-158-nick-diaz-lawyer-texts-decimal-controversy
Blue please.
This is appalling. Phone Post
3/29/13 11:53 AM
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3/29/13 11:56 AM
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His lawyer is trolling MM here. "Nick's not going to make an issue of it". UH, then what is he doing here? Quit crying camp Caesar, you lost fair and square, and completely. The only people who give a shit about this at this point is camp Gracie CryJitsu and diaz ball slobberers.
3/29/13 12:23 PM
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Barbalos - His lawyer is trolling MM here. "Nick's not going to make an issue of it". UH, then what is he doing here? Quit crying camp Caesar, you lost fair and square, and completely. The only people who give a shit about this at this point is camp Gracie CryJitsu and diaz ball slobberers.
Uh, pretty obvious he means that they're not going to make an issue of it if there's a reasonable explanation. But then Mersch lies to his face showing that the rule change is BS. You're just gonna ignore Mersch's lie to attempt to cover this up? Phone Post 3.0
3/29/13 12:33 PM
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I have no doubt the shorts GSP kept on weighed more than .9 lbs. Calm down
3/29/13 12:36 PM
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Barbalos - His lawyer is trolling MM here. "Nick's not going to make an issue of it". UH, then what is he doing here? Quit crying camp Caesar, you lost fair and square, and completely. The only people who give a shit about this at this point is camp Gracie CryJitsu and diaz ball slobberers.

Negative.

Huge GSP fan here and this is some shady/questionable stuff. It should be looked at.
3/29/13 12:38 PM
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Rules are there to protect fighters. If this is true that fight should be ruled a no-contest.
3/29/13 12:41 PM
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Hired Gun - Rules are there to protect fighters. If this is true that fight should be ruled a no-contest.

lol

Which rule was broken?

3/29/13 12:51 PM
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Barbalos - His lawyer is trolling MM here. "Nick's not going to make an issue of it". UH, then what is he doing here? Quit crying camp Caesar, you lost fair and square, and completely. The only people who give a shit about this at this point is camp Gracie CryJitsu and diaz ball slobberers.

Negative.

Huge GSP fan here and this is some shady/questionable stuff. It should be looked at.

I don't know about that. For one, I've yet to see that any rules were clearly broken. Customs, usual events, yeah, but an actual rule? Haven't seen proof of that. The burden falls on the accuser. And two, does anybody really think that even IF GSP was .9lbs over, the fight would have gone any differently were he not? That part is laughable...
3/29/13 12:59 PM
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lastcall - I have no doubt the shorts GSP kept on weighed more than .9 lbs. Calm down
End if thread Phone Post 3.0

Actually, I think there was another thread that claimed those fight shorts weighed .2 or .3 pounds.

In any case, has it ever been demonstrated that GSP did NOT weight in at 170?

It seems like all the talk is about making up this allowance (which is bullshit), but I haven't actually seen whether or not GSP conclusively weighed in over the limit.
3/29/13 1:17 PM
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This is appalling. Phone Post

 

The faux outrage from Diaz fans is hilarious.  I always imagine it being said in the voice of a Southern Belle.

 

3/29/13 1:19 PM
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Rules are rules
Just like nick was suspended for smoking weed we know he wasnt high during the fight and it real doesn't help you to get better but he still got suspended Phone Post 3.0
3/29/13 1:28 PM
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Hired Gun - Rules are there to protect fighters. If this is true that fight should be ruled a no-contest.

lol

Which rule was broken?


There was DEFINITELY a rule broken....the rule against hitting blatantly after the bell. These MMA Purists that are totally not just blindly crying on behalf of Diaz don't seem to want to discuss that though.
3/29/13 1:39 PM
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It really doesn't have anything to do with GSP vs Diaz. GSP showed he'd win the fight at any weight.

The issue is with the commission.
3/29/13 1:41 PM
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"The issue is with the commission."

What is the issue with the commission? What did they do wrong?

3/29/13 1:43 PM
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*  These EXACT same rules were in place for other UFC events in Montreal over the past 5 years, including events that Anderson headlined and GSP was not on.  Nothing new for this event.

*  GSP made 170lbs.  If you have a problem with this commission not utilizing decimals, than you better cause a stir for Aldo vs Edgar and assume Aldo didn't make weight either.  That fight was in Las Vegas, NV, Aldo weighed in at exactly 145lbs, and no decimals were used.  So if you're going to assume GSP was 170.9, you should assume Aldo was 145.9.  This has happened many, many other times as well.  Most commissions don't use decimals all the time.

*  If you have a problem with the way the UFC handled this and the verbiage used, than call out Dana or the UFC. Again, the commission didn't do anything different for this event versus what they've done in the past and what most other commissions do.

*  Looks like we now know Goku's other screen name


Logic will not work with Diaz fans. ;-)

3/29/13 1:46 PM
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If it was such a huge issue for Nick and his camp why didn't they come out right after they were told? Like before the weigh ins? It's like they purposely kept their anger in till after the fight so they had a reason to try and get another fight.

3/29/13 1:48 PM
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Where is the Nick Diaz was .9 over threads?

The UG trolls are slipping.
3/29/13 1:48 PM
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If it was such a huge issue for Nick and his camp why didn't they come out right after they were told? Like before the weigh ins? It's like they purposely kept their anger in till after the fight so they had a reason to try and get another fight.


Obviously. Doesn't it make more sense to try to prevent "illegal" activity from taking place than to let it go with no argument and then whine about it after?

3/29/13 1:51 PM
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"The issue is with the commission."

What is the issue with the commission? What did they do wrong?


Made Bernard Hopkins cut weight when he was less than a pound over, but didn't apply this same logic to MMA.

Same commission. Orcus...I'm not here to argue, I just don't understand why you don't think this situation is weird. You seem like a bright guy.
3/29/13 1:58 PM
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"Made Bernard Hopkins cut weight when he was less than a pound over, but didn't apply this same logic to MMA."

In the Bernard fight the official weights used the full decimals.  In this event -- like the other UFC events -- they round down to the whole. The regulations say nothing about using or not using the decimals, so no rule is broken by not using them. 

Given the fact that no rule is broken by rounding down to the nearest whole, obviously a fighter over by less than that would not have to cut weight. You can't officially announce and officially record his weight as 170 -- having rounded down from 170.1 or 170.9 -- and then tell him he has to lose weight. What sense would that make? Bernard officially weighed 175.9 and the limit was 175, so of course he had to cut. GSP officially weighed 170 so of course he didn't have to cut. Yo GSP, you weigh 170 and the limit is 170 but you have to cut half a pound anyway! And then the records will say you weighed 170 and had to recut and weighed 170 again and this time it was okay!

So rounding the weight down in no way violated any rule.

That leaves us with giving time to make weight (something done in every UFC fight in every jurisdiction, and also done in Quebec for that same Hopkins fight). This *is* against the Quebec regs. However, they didn't do it. This rule was not broken. 

What's left?

3/29/13 1:58 PM
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Barbalos - His lawyer is trolling MM here. "Nick's not going to make an issue of it". UH, then what is he doing here? Quit crying camp Caesar, you lost fair and square, and completely. The only people who give a shit about this at this point is camp Gracie CryJitsu and diaz ball slobberers.
Why can't this about a fucking rule that may have been bent more than once and not about Nick Diaz? You assholes talk about 'balls' and "Diaz" more than a Diaz fan! Phone Post
3/29/13 1:58 PM
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Massa - Where is the Nick Diaz was .9 over threads?

The UG trolls are slipping.

He weighed 169 or I'm sure those would have been all over.
3/29/13 2:00 PM
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.9 pound allowance wasn't just for gsp. Thread title misleading Phone Post
3/29/13 2:07 PM
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Barbalos - His lawyer is trolling MM here. "Nick's not going to make an issue of it". UH, then what is he doing here? Quit crying camp Caesar, you lost fair and square, and completely. The only people who give a shit about this at this point is camp Gracie CryJitsu and diaz ball slobberers.
Why can't this about a fucking rule that may have been bent more than once and not about Nick Diaz? You assholes talk about 'balls' and "Diaz" more than a Diaz fan! Phone Post

The same way this can't be about how Diaz was a sucker punching bitch (which is ACTUALLY illegal and ACTUALLY happened) instead of alleged violations.
Diaz (and/or his camp) also posted the video and wants to file a complaint.
The people complaining just seem like bitter Diaz fans because none of them were outraged when everyone else apparently made their exact weights with no decimal remainders for all of those other Montreal events, which should have been a pretty big clue that they were taking liberties with what they counted for awhile. But suddenly they're all detectives that just need to discovery the truth behind this mystery.

And the commission would gotten away with it if it wasn't for those damn kids and their dog.

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