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3/30/13 10:19 AM
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wheeels - This is Diaz's pathetic attempt to talk his way into another title match.

Total bullshit and the UFC better not fall for it (again). It's fine that he's convinced some of his semi-retarded fans on this board.
Take Diaz and gsp out of the equation is the situation not fucked up? You can argue Diaz karma and all that shit but you really think the way ufc/commission handled themselves is ok? Phone Post 3.0

What in particular do you not like about how things were handled? It's been shown several times that no rules were broken for the weigh-ins for UFC 158. So what is your point of contention with the Quebec AC? This leaves us with the Mersch tape and text. Are you upset Mersch was mean to Diaz's lawyer? Maybe he told a fib? If Dana sends him to bed without supper is everything right with the world again?
Are you fucking kidding me?
You need to get off the Canadian meat rocket for a minute and look at what happened that night and at other events.

• QAC claims they never use decimals.
• as early as march 2012 there was an mma event held and decimals were used.
• commission's own regulations (Section XI, rule 74) mandate a calibrated scale graduated to 100 grams, making it extremely accurate
• Pascal/Hopkins Hopkins weighs in .9lbs over and is given time to drop weight
• Section XI, rule 77 specifically reads that "no time should be granted to allow a competitor to increase or decrease [his] weight
• Condit was never made aware of these rules before he faced GSP

They sure as fuck broke the scale calibration rule, that of course is unless every single fighter on the card weighed in at exactly a whole number. We will never know what GSP really weighed in at because even if he was over they would have announced a whole number. Phone Post 3.0

What rule did the Quebec AC break for the weigh-ins for UFC 158? All you need to do is copy and paste the corresponding section. The rules are available on their web site.

I'll wait.
3/30/13 10:27 AM
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I am in no way shape or form a Diaz supporter. With that said, there is absolutely no doubt Zuffa handles different fighters different ways. There is also no doubt Nick has brought allot of this on himself with missing press conferences wft but he has a right to be treated equally and fairly. His attorney asked questions that he has a right to know. The Zuffa Rep was 100% being a dick and unprofessional especially when you consider the number one contender to the title was asking them.

I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree from the Zuffa CEO down to his employees.



One question I hope someone else can answer more in depth. What was with GSP and his drug test? I thought someone said he got taken someone else than everyone else did to take his. Does anyone know for sure this happened and why it happened? Phone Post
3/30/13 10:41 AM
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wheeels - This is Diaz's pathetic attempt to talk his way into another title match.

Total bullshit and the UFC better not fall for it (again). It's fine that he's convinced some of his semi-retarded fans on this board.
Take Diaz and gsp out of the equation is the situation not fucked up? You can argue Diaz karma and all that shit but you really think the way ufc/commission handled themselves is ok? Phone Post 3.0

What in particular do you not like about how things were handled? It's been shown several times that no rules were broken for the weigh-ins for UFC 158. So what is your point of contention with the Quebec AC? This leaves us with the Mersch tape and text. Are you upset Mersch was mean to Diaz's lawyer? Maybe he told a fib? If Dana sends him to bed without supper is everything right with the world again?
Are you fucking kidding me?
You need to get off the Canadian meat rocket for a minute and look at what happened that night and at other events.

• QAC claims they never use decimals.
• as early as march 2012 there was an mma event held and decimals were used.
• commission's own regulations (Section XI, rule 74) mandate a calibrated scale graduated to 100 grams, making it extremely accurate
• Pascal/Hopkins Hopkins weighs in .9lbs over and is given time to drop weight
• Section XI, rule 77 specifically reads that "no time should be granted to allow a competitor to increase or decrease [his] weight
• Condit was never made aware of these rules before he faced GSP

They sure as fuck broke the scale calibration rule, that of course is unless every single fighter on the card weighed in at exactly a whole number. We will never know what GSP really weighed in at because even if he was over they would have announced a whole number. Phone Post 3.0

They broke the scale calibration rule? How do you know what scale they used? A source would be appreciated. This is a new take on the conspiracy argument. Most people took exception to how the Quebec AC rounds - despite it not breaking any rules. Is this the argument, an unofficial scale?
3/30/13 10:45 AM
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Alright, all this nonsense and deflection from the supporters of the commission and UFC is fine and dandy, but can just ONE of you answer this question:

 

If there was nothing shady/suspect going on with this situation, why would the UFC official LIE and pretend that his conversation with Diaz never happened????

3/30/13 10:50 AM
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wheeels - This is Diaz's pathetic attempt to talk his way into another title match.

Total bullshit and the UFC better not fall for it (again). It's fine that he's convinced some of his semi-retarded fans on this board.
Take Diaz and gsp out of the equation is the situation not fucked up? You can argue Diaz karma and all that shit but you really think the way ufc/commission handled themselves is ok? Phone Post 3.0

What in particular do you not like about how things were handled? It's been shown several times that no rules were broken for the weigh-ins for UFC 158. So what is your point of contention with the Quebec AC? This leaves us with the Mersch tape and text. Are you upset Mersch was mean to Diaz's lawyer? Maybe he told a fib? If Dana sends him to bed without supper is everything right with the world again?
Are you fucking kidding me?
You need to get off the Canadian meat rocket for a minute and look at what happened that night and at other events.

• QAC claims they never use decimals.
• as early as march 2012 there was an mma event held and decimals were used.
• commission's own regulations (Section XI, rule 74) mandate a calibrated scale graduated to 100 grams, making it extremely accurate
• Pascal/Hopkins Hopkins weighs in .9lbs over and is given time to drop weight
• Section XI, rule 77 specifically reads that "no time should be granted to allow a competitor to increase or decrease [his] weight
• Condit was never made aware of these rules before he faced GSP

They sure as fuck broke the scale calibration rule, that of course is unless every single fighter on the card weighed in at exactly a whole number. We will never know what GSP really weighed in at because even if he was over they would have announced a whole number. Phone Post 3.0

What rule did the Quebec AC break for the weigh-ins for UFC 158? All you need to do is copy and paste the corresponding section. The rules are available on their web site.

I'll wait.
Are you just fucking with me? They are required to use a scale calibrated down to 100 grams. Are we just assuming every single fighter weighed in at exactly a whole number? Are they all just that good they can all hit weight with various clothes and shorts on and not one fighter was over or under by 1 gram? They are not accurately recording fighters weights. Phone Post 3.0

The scale is required to go to 0.1 kg not 1 g (0.001 kg). And no, no one is suggesting that every fighter coincidentally hit the exact pound. It's been shown many times that they round. Nevada also rounds, although to a different level of precision, please try and keep up.
3/30/13 10:51 AM
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3/30/13 10:51 AM
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Jacobmccrmck - Curtis you aren't even reading my post before you respond. How are you ok with them rounding fighters weights? Phone Post 3.0

 

 

 


Most are okay with it because almost every commission does round weights.

 

 

 

 

The real issue they don't want to talk about is why is this commission picking and choosing WHEN they round and don't round?

 

Here is an interesting fact:

 

When Bernard Hopkins fought a native Quebec boxer for the title, they not only DID count the decimal, but they broke their won rule and forced him to cut .9lbs.

 

Then when Mr Montreal is fighting in the UFC they did NOT count the decimal, and had a UFC official warn the opponent of the home town fighter that just in case "off the record" they would allow either of them to cut more weight if they missed (only moments before the weigh ins, knowing Diaz had likely already hit 170.0000 or less.)

Interesting coincedence.....

 

3/30/13 10:52 AM
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Jacobmccrmck - Curtis you aren't even reading my post before you respond. How are you ok with them rounding fighters weights? Phone Post 3.0

Because every AC does it. Nevada rounds down to the nearest 1/2 pound. A fighter can weigh 170.4 lbs for a title fight and it gets recorded as 170 - this is how it is done in Nevada. Quebec did the same thing but they round down to the nearest pound instead of half pound.
3/30/13 10:58 AM
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Jacobmccrmck - Curtis you aren't even reading my post before you respond. How are you ok with them rounding fighters weights? Phone Post 3.0

Because every AC does it. Nevada rounds down to the nearest 1/2 pound. A fighter can weigh 170.4 lbs for a title fight and it gets recorded as 170 - this is how it is done in Nevada. Quebec did the same thing but they round down to the nearest pound instead of half pound.

 


The issue is that they don't ALWAYS round, and in fact have used the decimal multiple times in the past year or two, and even once in the UFC they did not round to the whole pound for 124.

 

The other issue is that Diaz and Co were told that "off the record" if one of them (wink wink) happened to come in over they would be allowed time in back (secretly) to cut the weight, despite their own commission rules CLEARLY stating that combatants do not get extra time.

 

 

 

3/30/13 11:01 AM
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Jacobmccrmck - Curtis you aren't even reading my post before you respond. How are you ok with them rounding fighters weights? Phone Post 3.0

 

 

 


Most are okay with it because almost every commission does round weights.

 

 

 

 

The real issue they don't want to talk about is why is this commission picking and choosing WHEN they round and don't round?

 

Here is an interesting fact:

 

When Bernard Hopkins fought a native Quebec boxer for the title, they not only DID count the decimal, but they broke their won rule and forced him to cut .9lbs.

 

Then when Mr Montreal is fighting in the UFC they did NOT count the decimal, and had a UFC official warn the opponent of the home town fighter that just in case "off the record" they would allow either of them to cut more weight if they missed (only moments before the weigh ins, knowing Diaz had likely already hit 170.0000 or less.)

Interesting coincedence.....

 


UFC 97, a card in which GSP was not on, rounded down to the nearest pound. Although they have decided to use decimals sometimes, this is not exclusive to GSP.

In regards to the Hopkins fight see my previous post. The Quebec AC was wrong to allow Hopkins to cut weight, but this helped the visiting fighter, not the home-town fighter. Criticism of the Quebec AC is valid for this event, but it is actually evidence against favoritism, not for it.
3/30/13 11:04 AM
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^^^^^ You don't find it strange at all that the Quebec commission almost always rounds down (as all the defenders keep saying), yet when a Quebec fighter is trying to take the belt from Hopkins, they decided to USE the decimal and then force the champion to cut more weight (draining him even more)???

 

Come on bro, stop being coy.

3/30/13 11:06 AM
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Weak weak weak. Being on Hendricks. Phone Post
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Some of the responses on this thread are sickening.

If he weighed in at 170.9, he should have to lose the weight or forfeit the title. You don't round down to 170. This is common sense to anyone that understands the fight game at all... Shit even wrestling. Again, this to me is a common sense issue!

Pro-commission arguers etc come across as completely unintelligent and ignorant to what to most will be a clearcut issue.

The responses from the exec are unacceptable. Point blank, period. Phone Post 3.0
3/30/13 11:09 AM
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Jacobmccrmck - Curtis you aren't even reading my post before you respond. How are you ok with them rounding fighters weights? Phone Post 3.0

 

 

 


Most are okay with it because almost every commission does round weights.

 

 

 

 

The real issue they don't want to talk about is why is this commission picking and choosing WHEN they round and don't round?

 

Here is an interesting fact:

 

When Bernard Hopkins fought a native Quebec boxer for the title, they not only DID count the decimal, but they broke their won rule and forced him to cut .9lbs.

 

Then when Mr Montreal is fighting in the UFC they did NOT count the decimal, and had a UFC official warn the opponent of the home town fighter that just in case "off the record" they would allow either of them to cut more weight if they missed (only moments before the weigh ins, knowing Diaz had likely already hit 170.0000 or less.)

Interesting coincedence.....

 


UFC 97, a card in which GSP was not on, rounded down to the nearest pound. Although they have decided to use decimals sometimes, this is not exclusive to GSP.

In regards to the Hopkins fight see my previous post. The Quebec AC was wrong to allow Hopkins to cut weight, but this helped the visiting fighter, not the home-town fighter. Criticism of the Quebec AC is valid for this event, but it is actually evidence against favoritism, not for it.
No it's them being selfish and making sure the title fight is held in Canada. Phone Post 3.0

How so? The tickets were already sold, the fees were already paid. Had they not allowed Hopkins to cut the additional weight the fight could have still went on as a non-title fight, Pascal's belt wouldn't be on the line and he would still be champ. They would therefore guarantee Pascal's next fight, which was also in Montreal, would be a title fight. All the while blaming Hopkins for screwing up the title fight. Again, an error was made - but in favour of the visiting fighter.
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deadlyonetwo3 - Some of the responses on this thread are sickening.

If he weighed in at 170.9, he should have to lose the weight or forfeit the title. You don't round down to 170. This is common sense to anyone that understands the fight game at all... Shit even wrestling. Again, this to me is a common sense issue!

Pro-commission arguers etc come across as completely unintelligent and ignorant to what to most will be a clearcut issue.

The responses from the exec are unacceptable. Point blank, period. Phone Post 3.0

What are your thoughts on Nevada also rounding down? Is it OK for a title fighter to have his weight rounded down to 170 despite being 170.4?
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^^^^^ You don't find it strange at all that the Quebec commission almost always rounds down (as all the defenders keep saying), yet when a Quebec fighter is trying to take the belt from Hopkins, they decided to USE the decimal and then force the champion to cut more weight (draining him even more)???

 

Come on bro, stop being coy.


Pascal was the WBC champ, not Hopkins. If they were protecting Pascal why allow Pascal's belt to still be on the line?
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deadlyonetwo3 - Some of the responses on this thread are sickening.

If he weighed in at 170.9, he should have to lose the weight or forfeit the title. You don't round down to 170. This is common sense to anyone that understands the fight game at all... Shit even wrestling. Again, this to me is a common sense issue!

Pro-commission arguers etc come across as completely unintelligent and ignorant to what to most will be a clearcut issue.

The responses from the exec are unacceptable. Point blank, period. Phone Post 3.0

What are your thoughts on Nevada also rounding down? Is it OK for a title fighter to have his weight rounded down to 170 despite being 170.4?

if thats the rule...fine...but the problem is that the ACs are applying these off the record rules inconsistantly...thats why its important and necessary that they have one written rule and stick with it...

3/30/13 11:19 AM
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^^^^^ You don't find it strange at all that the Quebec commission almost always rounds down (as all the defenders keep saying), yet when a Quebec fighter is trying to take the belt from Hopkins, they decided to USE the decimal and then force the champion to cut more weight (draining him even more)???

 

Come on bro, stop being coy.


Pascal was the WBC champ, not Hopkins. If they were protecting Pascal why allow Pascal's belt to still be on the line?

My bad for mixing up who was the title holder.

 

The obvious reason they wouldn't remove the title from the fight is the $$$$. People want to watch a fight for a belt. The same exact reason that they would have broken their own rules for GSP/Diaz if one fo them (wink wink) happened to miss weight.

 

Again, you don't find anything odd with the commission choosing to use the decimal (which they rarely ever do according to everyone here defending them), and also break their own rule and force the challenger to dehydrate even more (hopkins)???

 

Why didn't they just "not count the decimal" in Hopkins/Pascal2? That would have avoided everything......Hmmmmm

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deadlyonetwo3 - Some of the responses on this thread are sickening.

If he weighed in at 170.9, he should have to lose the weight or forfeit the title. You don't round down to 170. This is common sense to anyone that understands the fight game at all... Shit even wrestling. Again, this to me is a common sense issue!

Pro-commission arguers etc come across as completely unintelligent and ignorant to what to most will be a clearcut issue.

The responses from the exec are unacceptable. Point blank, period. Phone Post 3.0

What are your thoughts on Nevada also rounding down? Is it OK for a title fighter to have his weight rounded down to 170 despite being 170.4?

if thats the rule...fine...but the problem is that the ACs are applying these off the record rules inconsistantly...thats why its important and necessary that they have one written rule and stick with it...


I agree that it would be nice if the level of precision and the rounding rules were included in the official rules. Both Quebec and Nevada have used different rounding in recent history - an example was provided where Nevada went to the quarter pound.

It's fine, and encouraged, to dislike rules - but it's not OK to cry foul when rules are followed but one just happens to not like them.
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deadlyonetwo3 - Some of the responses on this thread are sickening.

If he weighed in at 170.9, he should have to lose the weight or forfeit the title. You don't round down to 170. This is common sense to anyone that understands the fight game at all... Shit even wrestling. Again, this to me is a common sense issue!

Pro-commission arguers etc come across as completely unintelligent and ignorant to what to most will be a clearcut issue.

The responses from the exec are unacceptable. Point blank, period. Phone Post 3.0

What are your thoughts on Nevada also rounding down? Is it OK for a title fighter to have his weight rounded down to 170 despite being 170.4?

Is this the norm? Is it a written rule? Is it applied equally to all fighters and they're all aware of it in advance?

The problem is nobody knows. The video has been taken down for some absolute bullshit reasons and the ufc rep is LYING.

Fuck the UFC imho. Yet one more reason as to why I won't pay for that garbage. Thanks Dana!
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To be honest the UFC's employees had probably had enough of the bullshit that surrounds Diaz at the point of this conversation. Conspiracy this cheating that, not showing up for shit, having to babysit him so he does show up for shit, having to have plan b's and c's for everything because you never know when Diaz is going to flake out or do something stupid.

Probably pretty taxing on everyone especially with an already heavier then usual workload because of all the attention that surrounds a GSP fight.

This guys tone just reminds me of most of the forums by fight time. Sick of Diaz's shit and just wanting to get on with the fight.

The cliff notes version on that conversation is "shut the fuck up already and go fight"
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Holy fuck I think gsp is the champ who most of his challengers accused him of some weird way of cheating. Gota b 1st place in ufc history Phone Post
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^^^^^ You don't find it strange at all that the Quebec commission almost always rounds down (as all the defenders keep saying), yet when a Quebec fighter is trying to take the belt from Hopkins, they decided to USE the decimal and then force the champion to cut more weight (draining him even more)???

 

Come on bro, stop being coy.


Pascal was the WBC champ, not Hopkins. If they were protecting Pascal why allow Pascal's belt to still be on the line?

My bad for mixing up who was the title holder.

 

The obvious reason they wouldn't remove the title from the fight is the $$$$. People want to watch a fight for a belt. The same exact reason that they would have broken their own rules for GSP/Diaz if one fo them (wink wink) happened to miss weight.

 

Again, you don't find anything odd with the commission choosing to use the decimal (which they rarely ever do according to everyone here defending them), and also break their own rule and force the challenger to dehydrate even more (hopkins)???

 

Why didn't they just "not count the decimal" in Hopkins/Pascal2? That would have avoided everything......Hmmmmm


Why did they not round down for the Hopkins fight? I don't know. Maybe the WBC asked for it to be that way. The rules don't specify that the are required to round down, so if a promoter makes a reasonable request - maybe the AC says "OK, that's reasonable, we'll do that." But that's just a guess. Nevada also takes promoter requests into account. Did you know it is Nevada's default to allow one pound over the contracted weight for all fights, even title fights? But they have build in a provision that they can (but don't have to) ignore this one pound allowance if the promoter requests it. It just happens, the UFC requests they remove this allowance for title fights.

In regards to the money aspect, here is my previous post:

The tickets were already sold, the fees were already paid. Had they not allowed Hopkins to cut the additional weight the fight could have still went on as a non-title fight, Pascal's belt wouldn't be on the line and he would still be champ. They would therefore guarantee Pascal's next fight, which was also in Montreal, would be a title fight. All the while blaming Hopkins for screwing up the title fight. Again, an error was made - but in favour of the visiting fighter
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Kevin bacon -  It's been proven several times that Zuffa has paid shills on this forum, and that it's a very real part of their online marketing strategy implementation. Now it's practically only ufc news here, and whenever a critical thread about UFC or Zuffa pops up, the two first pages are bombarded with ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments to distract from the issue at hand. It's only getting worse and worse... Phone Post

You taking the "anyone taking the anti-conspiracy side is a paid shill" route is not uncommon but simultaneously addressing ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments is amusing. Thank you, I appreciate true irony. Thanks for the laugh this morning.

Oh, fuck off. There is nothing factitious about what I'm saying. Don't you remember the time we actually saw leaked emails from Zuffa about how they where going to do this, and the list of paid shills? Don't confuse Zuffa's influence on the UG with a conspiracy theory.

This whole thing was handled very unprofessional, and I don't think it is a coincidence we've had the types of posts we've had - saying diaz is a bitch and smokes too much weed, or whatever. I don't give a shit about him or GSP on a personal level to be honest, but I do respect them both immensely as athletes and fighters. I also care about this sport and I think it's fair to call out people behind the biggest and most influential organization for this shady behavior without assholes like you pointing the finger in the wrong direction.
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Kevin bacon -  It's been proven several times that Zuffa has paid shills on this forum, and that it's a very real part of their online marketing strategy implementation. Now it's practically only ufc news here, and whenever a critical thread about UFC or Zuffa pops up, the two first pages are bombarded with ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments to distract from the issue at hand. It's only getting worse and worse... Phone Post

You taking the "anyone taking the anti-conspiracy side is a paid shill" route is not uncommon but simultaneously addressing ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments is amusing. Thank you, I appreciate true irony. Thanks for the laugh this morning.

Oh, fuck off. There is nothing factitious about what I'm saying. Don't you remember the time we actually saw leaked emails from Zuffa about how they where going to do this, and the list of paid shills? Don't confuse Zuffa's influence on the UG with a conspiracy theory.

This whole thing was handled very unprofessional, and I don't think it is a coincidence we've had the types of posts we've had - saying diaz is a bitch and smokes too much weed, or whatever. I don't give a shit about him or GSP on a personal level to be honest, but I do respect them both immensely as athletes and fighters. I also care about this sport and I think it's fair to call out people behind the biggest and most influential organization for this shady behavior without assholes like you pointing the finger in the wrong direction.

I never claim there were no schills. Nice attempt to replace the original point of debate with a new one.

If you have issues with any one of my points please feel free to quote that point and provide a counter point. Hopefully you'll be able to articulate that counter point beyond "Oh, fuck off."

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