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3/30/13 11:26 AM
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^^^^^ You don't find it strange at all that the Quebec commission almost always rounds down (as all the defenders keep saying), yet when a Quebec fighter is trying to take the belt from Hopkins, they decided to USE the decimal and then force the champion to cut more weight (draining him even more)???

 

Come on bro, stop being coy.


Pascal was the WBC champ, not Hopkins. If they were protecting Pascal why allow Pascal's belt to still be on the line?

My bad for mixing up who was the title holder.

 

The obvious reason they wouldn't remove the title from the fight is the $$$$. People want to watch a fight for a belt. The same exact reason that they would have broken their own rules for GSP/Diaz if one fo them (wink wink) happened to miss weight.

 

Again, you don't find anything odd with the commission choosing to use the decimal (which they rarely ever do according to everyone here defending them), and also break their own rule and force the challenger to dehydrate even more (hopkins)???

 

Why didn't they just "not count the decimal" in Hopkins/Pascal2? That would have avoided everything......Hmmmmm


Why did they not round down for the Hopkins fight? I don't know. Maybe the WBC asked for it to be that way. The rules don't specify that the are required to round down, so if a promoter makes a reasonable request - maybe the AC says "OK, that's reasonable, we'll do that." But that's just a guess. Nevada also takes promoter requests into account. Did you know it is Nevada's default to allow one pound over the contracted weight for all fights, even title fights? But they have build in a provision that they can (but don't have to) ignore this one pound allowance if the promoter requests it. It just happens, the UFC requests they remove this allowance for title fights.

In regards to the money aspect, here is my previous post:

The tickets were already sold, the fees were already paid. Had they not allowed Hopkins to cut the additional weight the fight could have still went on as a non-title fight, Pascal's belt wouldn't be on the line and he would still be champ. They would therefore guarantee Pascal's next fight, which was also in Montreal, would be a title fight. All the while blaming Hopkins for screwing up the title fight. Again, an error was made - but in favour of the visiting fighter
3/30/13 11:26 AM
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Kevin bacon -  It's been proven several times that Zuffa has paid shills on this forum, and that it's a very real part of their online marketing strategy implementation. Now it's practically only ufc news here, and whenever a critical thread about UFC or Zuffa pops up, the two first pages are bombarded with ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments to distract from the issue at hand. It's only getting worse and worse... Phone Post

You taking the "anyone taking the anti-conspiracy side is a paid shill" route is not uncommon but simultaneously addressing ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments is amusing. Thank you, I appreciate true irony. Thanks for the laugh this morning.

Oh, fuck off. There is nothing factitious about what I'm saying. Don't you remember the time we actually saw leaked emails from Zuffa about how they where going to do this, and the list of paid shills? Don't confuse Zuffa's influence on the UG with a conspiracy theory.

This whole thing was handled very unprofessional, and I don't think it is a coincidence we've had the types of posts we've had - saying diaz is a bitch and smokes too much weed, or whatever. I don't give a shit about him or GSP on a personal level to be honest, but I do respect them both immensely as athletes and fighters. I also care about this sport and I think it's fair to call out people behind the biggest and most influential organization for this shady behavior without assholes like you pointing the finger in the wrong direction.
3/30/13 11:33 AM
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Kevin bacon -  It's been proven several times that Zuffa has paid shills on this forum, and that it's a very real part of their online marketing strategy implementation. Now it's practically only ufc news here, and whenever a critical thread about UFC or Zuffa pops up, the two first pages are bombarded with ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments to distract from the issue at hand. It's only getting worse and worse... Phone Post

You taking the "anyone taking the anti-conspiracy side is a paid shill" route is not uncommon but simultaneously addressing ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments is amusing. Thank you, I appreciate true irony. Thanks for the laugh this morning.

Oh, fuck off. There is nothing factitious about what I'm saying. Don't you remember the time we actually saw leaked emails from Zuffa about how they where going to do this, and the list of paid shills? Don't confuse Zuffa's influence on the UG with a conspiracy theory.

This whole thing was handled very unprofessional, and I don't think it is a coincidence we've had the types of posts we've had - saying diaz is a bitch and smokes too much weed, or whatever. I don't give a shit about him or GSP on a personal level to be honest, but I do respect them both immensely as athletes and fighters. I also care about this sport and I think it's fair to call out people behind the biggest and most influential organization for this shady behavior without assholes like you pointing the finger in the wrong direction.

I never claim there were no schills. Nice attempt to replace the original point of debate with a new one.

If you have issues with any one of my points please feel free to quote that point and provide a counter point. Hopefully you'll be able to articulate that counter point beyond "Oh, fuck off."
3/30/13 11:38 AM
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notice to low post count on all the defenders
3/30/13 11:40 AM
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3/30/13 11:41 AM
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Back to the shill strawman?

Instead of trotting out this pony every time someone takes a counter position, why don't you provide a counter point to one of my positions. Assuming you're implying I am a shill.
3/30/13 11:45 AM
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LOL @ Diaz's lawyer taking him to the cleaners...again!   Will Diaz ever catch on that this guy creates little (and unwinnable) legal scenarios only to pad his own pockets?

3/30/13 11:49 AM
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Back to the shill strawman?

Instead of trotting out this pony every time someone takes a counter position, why don't you provide a counter point to one of my positions. Assuming you're implying I am a shill.
It is odd almost 1/5 of all your post have been in this single thread Phone Post 3.0

You guys are persistent on the shill strawman. Are you out of original things to say on the original topic? Do you concede then?

3/30/13 11:50 AM
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Look, I'm a big Diaz fan and realize that he got beat and obviously doesn't deserve a rematch but god damn is there some shady shit going on. I wanna know what the hell happened cause it sure seems like GSP was gettin some preferential treatment. Just because it didn't matter that night doesn't mean it won't in the future if someone doesn't do anything. Anti-bullshit superhero to the rescue lol.
3/30/13 11:53 AM
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The difference in regards to the boxing bout and the UFC one is more then likely the contracts. Boxing contracts are notoriously stipulation heavy. There is more then likely a wording stating they may weigh no more then ??? lbs. The UFC's contract is probably not worded the same so it would be up to the commission.

A while back there was a card that required the fighters to weigh in the day of the event to ensure they did not gain over a certain percentage of their body weight. That had nothing to do with the UFC and neither does this.
3/30/13 11:58 AM
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Back to the shill strawman?

Instead of trotting out this pony every time someone takes a counter position, why don't you provide a counter point to one of my positions. Assuming you're implying I am a shill.
Why dont you post from your original account than? Phone Post
3/30/13 12:00 PM
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Back to the shill strawman?

Instead of trotting out this pony every time someone takes a counter position, why don't you provide a counter point to one of my positions. Assuming you're implying I am a shill.
Why dont you post from your original account than? Phone Post

This is my one and only account. At the risk of indulging you in your strawman, why do you think I have another account?
3/30/13 12:36 PM
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Back to the shill strawman?

Instead of trotting out this pony every time someone takes a counter position, why don't you provide a counter point to one of my positions. Assuming you're implying I am a shill.
It is odd almost 1/5 of all your post have been in this single thread Phone Post 3.0

You guys are persistent on the shill strawman. Are you out of original things to say on the original topic? Do you concede then?


Why are you avoiding the obvious point about your 2009 account you apparently NEVER post with all of a sudden posting 25+ times in this one thread?

 

Hmmmmm. You've had this "one and only" account for almost 4 years now, yet you used to post 22 times a YEAR. Now you've posted more than 22 times in one DAY. Hmmmmmm

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MMA Lives Here -  Get the fuck over it. Get a life and start posting about something other than Diaz getting a rematch after a fight that wasn't even competitive. Sick of this pathetic shit Phone Post

 


Who the fuck is asking for a rematch in this thread genius?

 

How hard is it to grasp that people have an issue with the shady/suspect commission and the UFC trying to cover things up, not with who won the fucking fight, nor a rematch???

 

Oh and you're so "sick of this pathetic shit" that you keep clicking on the thread and posting again???

3/30/13 12:43 PM
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How does this possibly end well for Diaz?

He certainly won't be getting a rematch, and being awarded a portion of GSP's fight purse is very unlikely.

Nick's attorney is playing him like a riddle, all the way to the bank.
3/30/13 12:50 PM
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Back to the shill strawman?

Instead of trotting out this pony every time someone takes a counter position, why don't you provide a counter point to one of my positions. Assuming you're implying I am a shill.
It is odd almost 1/5 of all your post have been in this single thread Phone Post 3.0

You guys are persistent on the shill strawman. Are you out of original things to say on the original topic? Do you concede then?


Why are you avoiding the obvious point about your 2009 account you apparently NEVER post with all of a sudden posting 25+ times in this one thread?

 

Hmmmmm. You've had this "one and only" account for almost 4 years now, yet you used to post 22 times a YEAR. Now you've posted more than 22 times in one DAY. Hmmmmmm


If you are so concerned about my account and which threads I choose to participate in and my join date, why don't you make a thread with that topic? Might I suggest the OG? That topic is not mma related. As is stands, this thread titled "Diaz attorney releases private text messages" isn't about that. Just please let me know when you do, I don't often frequent the OG.

To address these baseless accusations here would be participating in your attempt to derail this topic. As it stands now it has been shown that, with respect to UFC 158, absolutely no rules were broken by the Quebec AC. The best argument the conspiracy theorists have going for them is an UFC executive was mean.

I can see why you guys are so desperately trying to change the subject and attack my character.
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^^^^Lmao at using the "don't derail this thread" response. You're cute.

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deadlyonetwo3 - Some of the responses on this thread are sickening.

If he weighed in at 170.9, he should have to lose the weight or forfeit the title. You don't round down to 170. This is common sense to anyone that understands the fight game at all... Shit even wrestling. Again, this to me is a common sense issue!

Pro-commission arguers etc come across as completely unintelligent and ignorant to what to most will be a clearcut issue.

The responses from the exec are unacceptable. Point blank, period. Phone Post 3.0

What are your thoughts on Nevada also rounding down? Is it OK for a title fighter to have his weight rounded down to 170 despite being 170.4?

if thats the rule...fine...but the problem is that the ACs are applying these off the record rules inconsistantly...thats why its important and necessary that they have one written rule and stick with it...


I agree that it would be nice if the level of precision and the rounding rules were included in the official rules. Both Quebec and Nevada have used different rounding in recent history - an example was provided where Nevada went to the quarter pound.

It's fine, and encouraged, to dislike rules - but it's not OK to cry foul when rules are followed but one just happens to not like them.

dropping a decimal isnt following a rule tho....its neither in the statute nor is it even applied consistently..its a practice, and not even a regular one..

 

also they did not follow their actual rule when they said they would allow more time to make weight

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deadlyonetwo3 - Some of the responses on this thread are sickening.

If he weighed in at 170.9, he should have to lose the weight or forfeit the title. You don't round down to 170. This is common sense to anyone that understands the fight game at all... Shit even wrestling. Again, this to me is a common sense issue!

Pro-commission arguers etc come across as completely unintelligent and ignorant to what to most will be a clearcut issue.

The responses from the exec are unacceptable. Point blank, period. Phone Post 3.0

What are your thoughts on Nevada also rounding down? Is it OK for a title fighter to have his weight rounded down to 170 despite being 170.4?

if thats the rule...fine...but the problem is that the ACs are applying these off the record rules inconsistantly...thats why its important and necessary that they have one written rule and stick with it...


I agree that it would be nice if the level of precision and the rounding rules were included in the official rules. Both Quebec and Nevada have used different rounding in recent history - an example was provided where Nevada went to the quarter pound.

It's fine, and encouraged, to dislike rules - but it's not OK to cry foul when rules are followed but one just happens to not like them.

dropping a decimal isnt following a rule tho....its neither in the statute nor is it even applied consistently..its a practice, and not even a regular one..

 

also they did not follow their actual rule when they said they would allow more time to make weight


Nobody at UFC 158 was given extra time to make weight. So that rule was not broken either.

The only source you have saying that they would allow more time is the video of Mersch, whom you and others have labelled a liar and untrustworthy. If he is a liar and untrustworthy how can we know his claim of extra time was true?

Either he is untrustworthy or he is not. You can't claim he's a liar and full of shit to validate one argument and then turn around and claim that he's legit and what he says is true as it suits your needs. Which is it, should we trust Mersch or shouldn't we? I'll let you decide.
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MMATappers.CA Reporting:

 

 

"I like...get caught over a nanogram and I lose my money you know...MY JOB, my ability to work and shit for an entire fucking year...
all over a nanogram you know...and here this guy is...coverboy of the UFC and shit...hometown hero...

Here he is weighing .9 over and you got campaigns to cover it up and shit...

and now everyone sees the game fucking Dana wants me to play right?
I'm just tired you know...if they fuck me with the rules about the nano shouldn't I be sitting up somewhere relaxing with a percentage of Georges' money?
but I'm not am I? I'm fucking here you know...riding bikes and shit...he's all getting perfect haircuts in Canada and here I am all shaggy and shit...
I just want my money
."

3/30/13 1:43 PM
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deadlyonetwo3 - Some of the responses on this thread are sickening.

If he weighed in at 170.9, he should have to lose the weight or forfeit the title. You don't round down to 170. This is common sense to anyone that understands the fight game at all... Shit even wrestling. Again, this to me is a common sense issue!

Pro-commission arguers etc come across as completely unintelligent and ignorant to what to most will be a clearcut issue.

The responses from the exec are unacceptable. Point blank, period. Phone Post 3.0

What are your thoughts on Nevada also rounding down? Is it OK for a title fighter to have his weight rounded down to 170 despite being 170.4?

if thats the rule...fine...but the problem is that the ACs are applying these off the record rules inconsistantly...thats why its important and necessary that they have one written rule and stick with it...


I agree that it would be nice if the level of precision and the rounding rules were included in the official rules. Both Quebec and Nevada have used different rounding in recent history - an example was provided where Nevada went to the quarter pound.

It's fine, and encouraged, to dislike rules - but it's not OK to cry foul when rules are followed but one just happens to not like them.

dropping a decimal isnt following a rule tho....its neither in the statute nor is it even applied consistently..its a practice, and not even a regular one..

 

also they did not follow their actual rule when they said they would allow more time to make weight


Nobody at UFC 158 was given extra time to make weight. So that rule was not broken either.

The only source you have saying that they would allow more time is the video of Mersch, whom you and others have labelled a liar and untrustworthy. If he is a liar and untrustworthy how can we know his claim of extra time was true?

Either he is untrustworthy or he is not. You can't claim he's a liar and full of shit to validate one argument and then turn around and claim that he's legit and what he says is true as it suits your needs. Which is it, should we trust Mersch or shouldn't we? I'll let you decide.

technically the rule wasn't broken, but lets be real for a moment shall we? they obviously were going to allow gsp or nick to break the rule...and they have broken the rule in the past...whether or not it was broken this time isn't that important...they shouldn't ever be ok with breaking their own rule like this...its wrong and needs to be fixed...why is it so hard to admit this? it just proves you are being stubborn and not rational...you can still maintain your position that rounding down is ok, but you have to concede to some logic or all your shilling goes in one ear and out the other

 

and its very simple...on an "off-the-record" meeting, when he didnt know he was being video taped, he was probably not lying...what incentive would he have to lie in that situation? none...

 

but texts from an attorney? he has a HUGE incentive to lie...both because its a written record and because he knows he fucked up and did something wrong

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MMATappers.CA Reporting:

 

 

"I like...get caught over a nanogram and I lose my money you know...MY JOB, my ability to work and shit for an entire fucking year...
all over a nanogram you know...and here this guy is...coverboy of the UFC and shit...hometown hero...

Here he is weighing .9 over and you got campaigns to cover it up and shit...

and now everyone sees the game fucking Dana wants me to play right?
I'm just tired you know...if they fuck me with the rules about the nano shouldn't I be sitting up somewhere relaxing with a percentage of Georges' money?
but I'm not am I? I'm fucking here you know...riding bikes and shit...he's all getting perfect haircuts in Canada and here I am all shaggy and shit...
I just want my money
."

 

source for this?

MMATappers.ca doesn't exist

 

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MMATappers.CA Reporting:

 

 

"I like...get caught over a nanogram and I lose my money you know...MY JOB, my ability to work and shit for an entire fucking year...
all over a nanogram you know...and here this guy is...coverboy of the UFC and shit...hometown hero...

Here he is weighing .9 over and you got campaigns to cover it up and shit...

and now everyone sees the game fucking Dana wants me to play right?
I'm just tired you know...if they fuck me with the rules about the nano shouldn't I be sitting up somewhere relaxing with a percentage of Georges' money?
but I'm not am I? I'm fucking here you know...riding bikes and shit...he's all getting perfect haircuts in Canada and here I am all shaggy and shit...
I just want my money
."

 

source for this?

MMATappers.ca doesn't exist

 


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MMATappers.CA Reporting:

 

 

"I like...get caught over a nanogram and I lose my money you know...MY JOB, my ability to work and shit for an entire fucking year...
all over a nanogram you know...and here this guy is...coverboy of the UFC and shit...hometown hero...

Here he is weighing .9 over and you got campaigns to cover it up and shit...

and now everyone sees the game fucking Dana wants me to play right?
I'm just tired you know...if they fuck me with the rules about the nano shouldn't I be sitting up somewhere relaxing with a percentage of Georges' money?
but I'm not am I? I'm fucking here you know...riding bikes and shit...he's all getting perfect haircuts in Canada and here I am all shaggy and shit...
I just want my money
."

 

source for this?

MMATappers.ca doesn't exist

 


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