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4/1/13 1:21 PM
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I am curious...what do you consider strong? It seems like everyone has a different definition...so what is yours?
4/1/13 2:00 PM
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My idea of strong is only relative to myself, so a bench of 250, dl of 400, a squat of 350 and an ohp of 150 are goals of mine. When I reach them, ill feel like i'm pretty strong. Phone Post 3.0
4/1/13 2:02 PM
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It's a tricky question. I've set goals for myself and thought,"when I can do that, I'll be as strong as I ever want to be". And once I achieve that goal, I want to continue getting stronger because I don't consider myself strong...like I thought I would. Right now, strong to me is squatting over 500lbs and pulling(deadlifts) 585lbs. But those are also my current goals for myself. Once I get there, I know I'll want to get stronger. Phone Post 3.0
4/1/13 2:30 PM
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fuzzislipperz - It's a tricky question. I've set goals for myself and thought,"when I can do that, I'll be as strong as I ever want to be". And once I achieve that goal, I want to continue getting stronger because I don't consider myself strong...like I thought I would. Right now, strong to me is squatting over 500lbs and pulling(deadlifts) 585lbs. But those are also my current goals for myself. Once I get there, I know I'll want to get stronger. Phone Post 3.0

I can agree with that assesment. But as shootfighterbull wrote...his goals are lowere then yours. And I am always wondering what people consider strong.

Like a 655 deadlift for reps is insanely strong to me.

How close are you now to those goals?
4/1/13 2:51 PM
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LCSULLA -
fuzzislipperz - It's a tricky question. I've set goals for myself and thought,"when I can do that, I'll be as strong as I ever want to be". And once I achieve that goal, I want to continue getting stronger because I don't consider myself strong...like I thought I would. Right now, strong to me is squatting over 500lbs and pulling(deadlifts) 585lbs. But those are also my current goals for myself. Once I get there, I know I'll want to get stronger. Phone Post 3.0

I can agree with that assesment. But as shootfighterbull wrote...his goals are lowere then yours. And I am always wondering what people consider strong.

Like a 655 deadlift for reps is insanely strong to me.

How close are you now to those goals?
I can deadlift 545lbs...so not to far from that one. But I just squatted 405lbs about a month ago for the first time, so I have some work to do there. Phone Post 3.0
4/1/13 3:27 PM
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shootfighterbull - My idea of strong is only relative to myself, so a bench of 250, dl of 400, a squat of 350 and an ohp of 150 are goals of mine. When I reach them, ill feel like i'm pretty strong. Phone Post 3.0
And to continue with the train of thought in this thread, once I reach those goals, the concept of strong will then go up for me. Phone Post 3.0
4/1/13 4:53 PM
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To me strong is anything over 300 bench 400 squat and 500 deadlift of course if i ever reach those numbers i will still.want to improve my numbers Phone Post
4/1/13 5:12 PM
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I just hit 315 on my squats,just starting out on deadlifts and bench. Im at 215 on bench and 205 dead lift. Just starting slow on dead lift,i have never ever done them before.My idea of strong would be to break 500 on a squat and 325 on bench,400 on DL.

I have been doing nothing but bodyweight and bar work last 2 months.
4/1/13 6:25 PM
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Your DL should go up the fastest and should be your highest Phone Post
4/1/13 11:22 PM
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Bench: 275
DL: 400
Squat 400 Phone Post 3.0
4/2/13 1:00 AM
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There was a thread on the OG about this question.....

The general consensus seemed that these were numbers, that if you could hit, you could consider yourself very strong:

OH Press....205lbs
Bench...315lbs
Squat....405lbs
DL....495lbs


I'm a long way off from any of these, but I have these as my long term goals..
4/2/13 7:53 AM
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Paul Carter, who writes stuff for EliteFTS and is good friends with Jim Wendler states this is strong:

Bench 315 for 20
Dips 200 for 10
Chins 100 for 10
Squats and Deads 500 for 20
Standing Press 315 for 1
Curls 185 for 10

I think the amount of people that could most of these could fit on a row boat. Too me if you hit even one of these you are crazy strong.
4/2/13 8:32 AM
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Being able to throw everyone around on the mats. Humping a 90 lb pack for 30 miles. Phone Post 3.0
4/2/13 9:32 AM
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Just as I think I'm getting kind of strong, you gotta go and post those Paul Carter numbers. Phone Post
4/2/13 2:19 PM
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LCSULLA - Paul Carter, who writes stuff for EliteFTS and is good friends with Jim Wendler states this is strong:

Bench 315 for 20
Dips 200 for 10
Chins 100 for 10
Squats and Deads 500 for 20
Standing Press 315 for 1
Curls 185 for 10

I think the amount of people that could most of these could fit on a row boat. Too me if you hit even one of these you are crazy strong.
Well, I don't think I will ever be strong in his opinion. Phone Post 3.0
4/2/13 4:07 PM
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LCSULLA - Paul Carter, who writes stuff for EliteFTS and is good friends with Jim Wendler states this is strong:

Bench 315 for 20
Dips 200 for 10
Chins 100 for 10
Squats and Deads 500 for 20
Standing Press 315 for 1
Curls 185 for 10

I think the amount of people that could most of these could fit on a row boat. Too me if you hit even one of these you are crazy strong.
Well, I don't think I will ever be strong in his opinion. Phone Post 3.0

This is coming from guys that laugh if you walk around less than 220lbs so take it with a grain of salt. 20 rep 500lb deadlifts? Lol ok homie. No one knows what anderson silva deadlifts, lets just say that.
4/2/13 6:42 PM
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temp170618 - There was a thread on the OG about this question.....

The general consensus seemed that these were numbers, that if you could hit, you could consider yourself very strong:

OH Press....205lbs
Bench...315lbs
Squat....405lbs
DL....495lbs


I'm a long way off from any of these, but I have these as my long term goals..

Yeah, that was my original thought (although I listed OHP at 225).

Basically going by plates per side on a bar.

2 for OHP
3 for bench
4 for squat
5 for deadlift

The 225 OHP is really heavy though. I don't know if I've ever seen someone do that in the gym.

Hence the reduction to 205 (a 45 and a 35)
4/2/13 6:44 PM
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LCSULLA - Paul Carter, who writes stuff for EliteFTS and is good friends with Jim Wendler states this is strong:

Bench 315 for 20
Dips 200 for 10
Chins 100 for 10
Squats and Deads 500 for 20
Standing Press 315 for 1
Curls 185 for 10

I think the amount of people that could most of these could fit on a row boat. Too me if you hit even one of these you are crazy strong.

And if we're talking people who aren't juicing, that rowboat will be empty.

GTFO with those numbers!
4/3/13 7:45 AM
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Hahaha. Oh I agree with you. Those numbers are nuts. I imagine you would have to be 250lbs, at least to hit most those...if at all.
4/3/13 9:01 AM
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Strong is the opposite of weak.
4/4/13 8:36 AM
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Strong to me has changed many times over the years, it used to be based on certain goals and numbers or things I've seen other people do that I wish I could equal.

Now I see true strength as a mindset, it's the realization that the numbers don't matter because you know inside that you can reach them, that you can always get better. No matter what the goal you can inch your way to it little by little with hard work and perseverance. You realize, you believe that your limits are imaginary, that limits are just in your head they aren't real. You've smashed through them so many times and you are so far beyond what you ever thought possible in the beginning that you just don't believe in them anymore. You know you can take things into uncharted territory and you have no idea how far you can go, you just know for sure that you can keep working and keep getting better. That's where real strength lies, not in arbitrary numbers.
4/4/13 4:04 PM
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I think this is a pretty cool topic - one that I have some (what some will probably think are) eclectic thoughts on.

I'm gonna turn this into a video for my youtube channel and list - will post it here after it's live in a day or two.
4/4/13 6:45 PM
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I think the only one that matters is squat 500

You squat 500 you're probably strong in everything else too
4/6/13 6:32 AM
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Bench=1.5x body weight
Overhead press= body weight
Squat= 2x body weight
Deadlift= 2.5x body weight Phone Post 3.0
4/6/13 7:35 AM
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Shanle I like those guidelines. I think one or the other will be more of a challenge for different people depending on their leverages etc and which lifts are their strengths and weaknesses. Also I'd say if going with bodyweight on an overhead press it should be a strict press with no leg drive and no jerk of any kind just a straight up push overhead.

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