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Say what you will, but no one wanted that fight just yet.  Chael stepped up like the man he is and then people started complaining.

 

Hendo had the shot, but couldn't do it.  No one else wanted to fight Bones.

 

After watching TUF this season, I have pretty big respect for both men TBH.  They're both gentlemen, looking out for their boys, taking it serious, and bringing the best out of their fighters.

 

I find it very hard not to like either of them TBH.

 

That being said, I would shit my pants and holler so bad you could hear me holler from Hong Kong if Chael treats Bones like he did Anderson.

 

It will be an excellent gauge to see how Bones / Silva would match up too.

 

Awesome, and I always have and always will love the one and only Chael P. Sonnen.  I could watch him talk about stupid shit for hours and never get tired of it.  He's one of the coolest motherfuckers on the planet.

 

For real.

4/2/13 2:37 PM
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So why is this fight happening?

Because Chael wants the spotlight and talked his way into it. It's not like Jones asked for Sonnen or anything like that.
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I have waited so long for a champion to say that about an opponent. Jon Jones has become quite the refreshing break from all the bullshit- tired of every single fight being every champion's "toughest challenge yet!"

Also I think Jones has pegged Sonnen PRECISELY right when it comes to his mental state. Cocky or not, Jones is "champion" material. The Belfort fight proved this- Chael would have tapped out immediately IMO, but Bones used his heart to fight his way out of it and come back to dominate his enemy.
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Say what you will, but no one wanted that fight just yet.  Chael stepped up like the man he is and then people started complaining.

 

Hendo had the shot, but couldn't do it.  No one else wanted to fight Bones.

 

After watching TUF this season, I have pretty big respect for both men TBH.  They're both gentlemen, looking out for their boys, taking it serious, and bringing the best out of their fighters.

 

I find it very hard not to like either of them TBH.

 

That being said, I would shit my pants and holler so bad you could hear me holler from Hong Kong if Chael treats Bones like he did Anderson.

 

It will be an excellent gauge to see how Bones / Silva would match up too.

 

Awesome, and I always have and always will love the one and only Chael P. Sonnen.  I could watch him talk about stupid shit for hours and never get tired of it.  He's one of the coolest motherfuckers on the planet.

 

For real.


This! (though I'm in RI unfortunately, not Hong Kong)
4/2/13 2:54 PM
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It's amazing how people act like Chael has a mental deficiency to find a way to lose. He has an incredible wrestling record. He's fought tons of guys and won most minutes of each fight he's been in.

When he fought the best fighter alive, Anderson, he won for for 23 minutes straight via hard work and was exhausted when he got caught by a submission. He was effectively the WEC Middleweight champion but didn't officially receive a belt because Paulo Filho was a bum who couldn't make weight.

Chael doesn't have an issue with finding a way to lose. He constantly challenges himself more than the vast majority of fighters and occasionally gets caught in a submission. Oh well.


It's because of his dominance that people question his mental makeup. Chael has at least half-a-dozen losses on his record where he was flat out dominating his opponent before pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. He's like the NFL quarterback who is known for throwing fourth quarter interceptions or the MLB relief pitcher who dominates in middle relief but sucks as a closer. There is something in his mental makeup that prevents him from succeeding in big moments.

Also, there is nothing 'occasional' about Sonnen getting caught in a submission. 67% of his losses and 20% of his fights overall end in him getting caught in submission. That's 'on the regular', not 'on occasion'.
Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?

What a fucking fascinating concept, I know. Phone Post

Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?

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Or..
Trevor Prangly
Forrest Griffin
Jeremy Horn x2
Renato Sobral
Paul Filho

All submissions.

Therefore, logic would dictate that Jones should use BJJ, which is apparently Sonnen's Achilles Heel.

Not that his elbows wouldn't accomplish the same task.

So Ryo chonan,Daiju Takase,Luiz Azaeredo are better then Anderson silva?
Ryo and Takasa submitted Silva.Does that make them better fighters?

Is Serra just as good as GSP because they are both 1-1 against each other?
4/2/13 3:06 PM
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It's amazing how people act like Chael has a mental deficiency to find a way to lose. He has an incredible wrestling record. He's fought tons of guys and won most minutes of each fight he's been in.</p>
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When he fought the best fighter alive, Anderson, he won for for 23 minutes straight via hard work and was exhausted when he got caught by a submission. He was effectively the WEC Middleweight champion but didn't officially receive a belt because Paulo Filho was a bum who couldn't make weight.</p>
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Chael doesn't have an issue with finding a way to lose. He constantly challenges himself more than the vast majority of fighters and occasionally gets caught in a submission. Oh well.</p></blockquote><br />It's because of his dominance that people question his mental makeup. Chael has at least half-a-dozen losses on his record where he was flat out dominating his opponent before pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. He's like the NFL quarterback who is known for throwing fourth quarter interceptions or the MLB relief pitcher who dominates in middle relief but sucks as a closer. There is something in his mental makeup that prevents him from succeeding in big moments.<br /><br />Also, there is nothing 'occasional' about Sonnen getting caught in a submission. 67% of his losses and 20% of his fights overall end in him getting caught in submission. That's 'on the regular', not 'on occasion'.</blockquote>

Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?<br><br>What a fucking fascinating concept, I know. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


</blockquote><br /> Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?<br /><br />--------------<br /><br />Or..<br />Trevor Prangly<br />Forrest Griffin<br />Jeremy Horn x2<br />Renato Sobral<br />Paul Filho<br /><br />All submissions.<br /><br />Therefore, logic would dictate that Jones should use BJJ, which is apparently Sonnen's Achilles Heel.<br /><br />Not that his elbows wouldn't accomplish the same task.</blockquote><br /> So Ryo chonan,Daiju Takase,Luiz Azaeredo are better then Anderson silva?<br />Ryo and Takasa submitted Silva.Does that make them better fighters?<br /><br />Is Serra just as good as GSP because they are both 1-1 against each other?<br /></blockquote><br />

Good points
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Say what you will, but no one wanted that fight just yet.  Chael stepped up like the man he is and then people started complaining.

 

Hendo had the shot, but couldn't do it.  No one else wanted to fight Bones.

 

After watching TUF this season, I have pretty big respect for both men TBH.  They're both gentlemen, looking out for their boys, taking it serious, and bringing the best out of their fighters.

 

I find it very hard not to like either of them TBH.

 

That being said, I would shit my pants and holler so bad you could hear me holler from Hong Kong if Chael treats Bones like he did Anderson.

 

It will be an excellent gauge to see how Bones / Silva would match up too.

 

Awesome, and I always have and always will love the one and only Chael P. Sonnen.  I could watch him talk about stupid shit for hours and never get tired of it.  He's one of the coolest motherfuckers on the planet.

 

For real.



That man is right up there with Ken Shamrock when it comes to TUF coaches.  He punched doors and everything.

 

Both Sonnen and Bones have proven themselves to be gentlemen imo.

 

Rampage for some reason didn't do that.

 

Cheers!

4/2/13 3:34 PM
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PeaceThroughStrength - So Ryo chonan,Daiju Takase,Luiz Azaeredo are better then Anderson silva?
Ryo and Takasa submitted Silva.Does that make them better fighters?

Is Serra just as good as GSP because they are both 1-1 against each other?

Why the hell are people still talking about losses from 1972?

The difference is that Anderson hasn't lost by sub FOR YEARS while Chael appears to have never worked on on BJJ defense.

One-off losses don't compare to a pattern throughout someone's career.

4/2/13 3:37 PM
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Jones stated, "He doesn't have a champion's soul, heart, work ethic."

LMAO! That's some funny stuff right there. Doesn't Jones have a couple bros in the NFL? Wasn't he learning off youtube just a few years ago?

I'm not questioning Jones' work ethic but damn brother, natural God given ability doesn't come into play? Some fighters live in the gym and can't hold a candle to what Jones' has accomplished. Does that mean they have a terrible work ethic? Or does natural athleticism play a role too?

I expected to see Sonnen play the heel this season of TUF and Jones to win me over. Actually, it's been mostly the other way around. Much respect to Sonnen.
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TiliShkodrani - The irony is that if in case somehow Chael DOES beat Jones, he will never get any respect for it. People will just say, "we told you Jones sucks, he's nowhere near the level of Anderson Silva"


No shit, the fact that Chael couldn't beat Anderson, shouldn't be a negative, but the fact that he gave Anderson the biggest challenge of his career should be a positive.



Horrible troll post.

Btw, to everyone else, Chael had a T/E RATIO OF 16.9/1 FOR THE FIRST SILVA FIGHT. STOP ACTING LIKE HE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING INCREDIBLE IN THAT FIGHT, HE WAS FUCKING CHEATING.

Besides, the second fight showed how good Chael can be without elevated testosterone levels. Phone Post
Stop acting like you understand T/E ratios. Ratio has nothing to do with "levels".

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It's amazing how people act like Chael has a mental deficiency to find a way to lose. He has an incredible wrestling record. He's fought tons of guys and won most minutes of each fight he's been in.</p>
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When he fought the best fighter alive, Anderson, he won for for 23 minutes straight via hard work and was exhausted when he got caught by a submission. He was effectively the WEC Middleweight champion but didn't officially receive a belt because Paulo Filho was a bum who couldn't make weight.</p>
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Chael doesn't have an issue with finding a way to lose. He constantly challenges himself more than the vast majority of fighters and occasionally gets caught in a submission. Oh well.</p></blockquote><br />It's because of his dominance that people question his mental makeup. Chael has at least half-a-dozen losses on his record where he was flat out dominating his opponent before pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. He's like the NFL quarterback who is known for throwing fourth quarter interceptions or the MLB relief pitcher who dominates in middle relief but sucks as a closer. There is something in his mental makeup that prevents him from succeeding in big moments.<br /><br />Also, there is nothing 'occasional' about Sonnen getting caught in a submission. 67% of his losses and 20% of his fights overall end in him getting caught in submission. That's 'on the regular', not 'on occasion'.</blockquote>

Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?<br><br>What a fucking fascinating concept, I know. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


</blockquote><br /> Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?<br /><br />--------------<br /><br />Or..<br />Trevor Prangly<br />Forrest Griffin<br />Jeremy Horn x2<br />Renato Sobral<br />Paul Filho<br /><br />All submissions.<br /><br />Therefore, logic would dictate that Jones should use BJJ, which is apparently Sonnen's Achilles Heel.<br /><br />Not that his elbows wouldn't accomplish the same task.</blockquote><br /> So Ryo chonan,Daiju Takase,Luiz Azaeredo are better then Anderson silva?<br />Ryo and Takasa submitted Silva.Does that make them better fighters?<br /><br />Is Serra just as good as GSP because they are both 1-1 against each other?<br /></blockquote><br />

Good points
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TiliShkodrani - The irony is that if in case somehow Chael DOES beat Jones, he will never get any respect for it. People will just say, "we told you Jones sucks, he's nowhere near the level of Anderson Silva"


No shit, the fact that Chael couldn't beat Anderson, shouldn't be a negative, but the fact that he gave Anderson the biggest challenge of his career should be a positive.


 
Horrible troll post.

Btw, to everyone else, Chael had a T/E RATIO OF 16.9/1 FOR THE FIRST SILVA FIGHT. STOP ACTING LIKE HE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING INCREDIBLE IN THAT FIGHT, HE WAS FUCKING CHEATING.

Besides, the second fight showed how good Chael can be without elevated testosterone levels. Phone Post
Stop acting like you understand T/E ratios. Ratio has nothing to do with "levels".

Mouth, mouth, mouth… Phone Post 3.0
Please explain, then, Dr Il Duce, Sports Physician Phone Post

 

Technically he is right.  It doesn't tell you anything about test levels per se.  All it tells you is the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone.  So, theoretically, Chael could have had normal test levels for that fight if his epitestosterone levels were 16.9 times below the norm.

However, as that is highly unlikely, you can pretty reasonably infer that Chael had elevated testosterone due to his massive T:E ratio.

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As Chael says it's junk science.

 

Want to know one of the big reasons they test for pot?  Because they can.

 

You can snort coke off a hooker's naked body 2 weeks before your fight and they would never know unless they did a follicle hair test.

 

Cycling is not a problem.  Just ask Lance Armstrong.

 

You smoke a joint 3 weeks out and that's risky business.  4 weeks out might not even be safe with how good they can catch weed!

 

So they test for weed, because they can catch it.

 

 

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As Chael says it's junk science.

 

Want to know one of the big reasons they test for pot?  Because they can.

 

You can snort coke off a hooker's naked body 2 weeks before your fight and they would never know unless they did a follicle hair test.

 

Cycling is not a problem.  Just ask Lance Armstrong.

 

You smoke a joint 3 weeks out and that's risky business.  4 weeks out might not even be safe with how good they can catch weed!

 

So they test for weed, because they can catch it.

 

 


When you start a post with 'as Chael says' you know it's going to be an excuse for what he did.

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TiliShkodrani - The irony is that if in case somehow Chael DOES beat Jones, he will never get any respect for it. People will just say, "we told you Jones sucks, he's nowhere near the level of Anderson Silva"


No shit, the fact that Chael couldn't beat Anderson, shouldn't be a negative, but the fact that he gave Anderson the biggest challenge of his career should be a positive.



Horrible troll post.

Btw, to everyone else, Chael had a T/E RATIO OF 16.9/1 FOR THE FIRST SILVA FIGHT. STOP ACTING LIKE HE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING INCREDIBLE IN THAT FIGHT, HE WAS FUCKING CHEATING.

Besides, the second fight showed how good Chael can be without elevated testosterone levels. Phone Post
Stop acting like you understand T/E ratios. Ratio has nothing to do with "levels".

Mouth, mouth, mouth… Phone Post 3.0
Please explain, then, Dr Il Duce, Sports Physician Phone Post
You are either a tweaker, manic or both.

What happens if you don't get the last word? Do you have meltdown?

Since you have so much time for the inner nets, I'd be doing you a favor by suggesting you do a little homework on it yourself. T/E ratios have been discussed to death and if you still don't understand it's not my fault. Phone Post 3.0
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It's amazing how people act like Chael has a mental deficiency to find a way to lose. He has an incredible wrestling record. He's fought tons of guys and won most minutes of each fight he's been in.

When he fought the best fighter alive, Anderson, he won for for 23 minutes straight via hard work and was exhausted when he got caught by a submission. He was effectively the WEC Middleweight champion but didn't officially receive a belt because Paulo Filho was a bum who couldn't make weight.

Chael doesn't have an issue with finding a way to lose. He constantly challenges himself more than the vast majority of fighters and occasionally gets caught in a submission. Oh well.

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Chael smoked weed?

 

Don't think so.

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Stephen Holder - At this point I want any title in the UFC to change hands, except in the case of Cain. I'll pull for whoever Jones fights and not necessarily because I dislike Jones but because shit needs to be shaken up (esp. at 170,185 and 205.)

That said and I hate to say it but I think Jon is right. Everyone keeps saying that Chael is such a great coach on TUF but I don't see that at all. Hes a total defeatist. He makes it easy for his guys to be weak like he is, telling them shit like 'its always an option to lose' and says shit that lets doubt seep into their mind. I don't get why hes like that. People talk so much shit about how hes a quitter but in reality that's his whole mentality. I'm still pullin for Chael but I'm not betting on him.

Wow you are an absolute idiot. This post is sheer stupidity.

Chael says it's always an option to lose... then he goes on to emphasize that you must find that ONE reason to push on to win. Chael has 27 wins and won almost every minute of every fight he has been in other than being subbed a few times by world class BJJ experts. You're criticizing him for that? He's always tried to fight the most dangerous competition possible while other people try to pad their records. Jones fought a middleweight for his last fight and meanwhile he's basically a heavyweight. Get a clue you idiot.

This. Phone Post 3.0
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I'm also surprised nobody has called out UG Blog on their bogus title. Where did Jones says "Sonnen my weakest opponent to date"? We all know Chael would beat more than half of the guys on Jones' record anyway.


good one,lol. you cant really believe that...o your serious? hahahahahahahahaha
Jones has 12 UFC fights. I'm pretty confident Chael would beat Gusmao through Bader which is 7 already. I'm 50/50 on Shogun, depending what condition he's in. Rampage he'd beat without a doubt. Machida maybe not because of his running away style. Rashad would be 50/50 and I'm pretty confident he'd beat Vitor. So what's not to believe? Phone Post 3.0

all of it
Well then you're just a hater. Good day. Phone Post 3.0

those who are great have no need to hate.im as far from a hater as you can get.your simply a being a fan girl and letting that cloud your brains power to rationalize real life.
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Sort891 - so it's settled... I won't buy the fight.

great job selling the event... ???
Maybe he should of said "I'm going to try tickle his balls because I know he likes that" instead of claiming he will smash his opponent? Would you prefer if he graduated from that school of promotion? Phone Post 3.0
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Go to HW, Jones.
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I'd love to see Chael win, but I just can't see how he will. He's not gonna finish Jones. His only chance is to be on top for 5 rounds, which is unlikely. Jones has so many ways to win. Phone Post 3.0
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It's amazing how people act like Chael has a mental deficiency to find a way to lose. He has an incredible wrestling record. He's fought tons of guys and won most minutes of each fight he's been in.</p>
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When he fought the best fighter alive, Anderson, he won for for 23 minutes straight via hard work and was exhausted when he got caught by a submission. He was effectively the WEC Middleweight champion but didn't officially receive a belt because Paulo Filho was a bum who couldn't make weight.</p>
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Chael doesn't have an issue with finding a way to lose. He constantly challenges himself more than the vast majority of fighters and occasionally gets caught in a submission. Oh well.</p></blockquote><br />It's because of his dominance that people question his mental makeup. Chael has at least half-a-dozen losses on his record where he was flat out dominating his opponent before pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. He's like the NFL quarterback who is known for throwing fourth quarter interceptions or the MLB relief pitcher who dominates in middle relief but sucks as a closer. There is something in his mental makeup that prevents him from succeeding in big moments.<br /><br />Also, there is nothing 'occasional' about Sonnen getting caught in a submission. 67% of his losses and 20% of his fights overall end in him getting caught in submission. That's 'on the regular', not 'on occasion'.</blockquote>

Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?<br><br>What a fucking fascinating concept, I know. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


</blockquote><br /> Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?<br /><br />--------------<br /><br />Or..<br />Trevor Prangly<br />Forrest Griffin<br />Jeremy Horn x2<br />Renato Sobral<br />Paul Filho<br /><br />All submissions.<br /><br />Therefore, logic would dictate that Jones should use BJJ, which is apparently Sonnen's Achilles Heel.<br /><br />Not that his elbows wouldn't accomplish the same task.</blockquote><br /> So Ryo chonan,Daiju Takase,Luiz Azaeredo are better then Anderson silva?<br />Ryo and Takasa submitted Silva.Does that make them better fighters?<br /><br />Is Serra just as good as GSP because they are both 1-1 against each other?<br /></blockquote><br />

Good points
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Rambo John J - JJ should be glad he doesn't have to defend his belt against legit 205ers very often.
Belfort and Chael are nothing to brag about for a guy moving to HW.
Even machida now weighs about 204 on fight night recently.
Rampage, Shogun, Rashad. Stop fronting like dude isn't legit. Phone Post

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