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4/2/13 7:39 PM
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It's amazing how people act like Chael has a mental deficiency to find a way to lose. He has an incredible wrestling record. He's fought tons of guys and won most minutes of each fight he's been in.</p>
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When he fought the best fighter alive, Anderson, he won for for 23 minutes straight via hard work and was exhausted when he got caught by a submission. He was effectively the WEC Middleweight champion but didn't officially receive a belt because Paulo Filho was a bum who couldn't make weight.</p>
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Chael doesn't have an issue with finding a way to lose. He constantly challenges himself more than the vast majority of fighters and occasionally gets caught in a submission. Oh well.</p></blockquote><br />It's because of his dominance that people question his mental makeup. Chael has at least half-a-dozen losses on his record where he was flat out dominating his opponent before pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. He's like the NFL quarterback who is known for throwing fourth quarter interceptions or the MLB relief pitcher who dominates in middle relief but sucks as a closer. There is something in his mental makeup that prevents him from succeeding in big moments.<br /><br />Also, there is nothing 'occasional' about Sonnen getting caught in a submission. 67% of his losses and 20% of his fights overall end in him getting caught in submission. That's 'on the regular', not 'on occasion'.</blockquote>

Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?<br><br>What a fucking fascinating concept, I know. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


</blockquote><br /> Or... he's just not as good as Anderson Silva? Or as good at BJJ as Demian Maia?<br /><br />--------------<br /><br />Or..<br />Trevor Prangly<br />Forrest Griffin<br />Jeremy Horn x2<br />Renato Sobral<br />Paul Filho<br /><br />All submissions.<br /><br />Therefore, logic would dictate that Jones should use BJJ, which is apparently Sonnen's Achilles Heel.<br /><br />Not that his elbows wouldn't accomplish the same task.</blockquote><br /> So Ryo chonan,Daiju Takase,Luiz Azaeredo are better then Anderson silva?<br />Ryo and Takasa submitted Silva.Does that make them better fighters?<br /><br />Is Serra just as good as GSP because they are both 1-1 against each other?<br /></blockquote><br />

Good points
My god this clusterfuck of quoting... Phone Post

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4/2/13 9:00 PM
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Rambo John J - JJ should be glad he doesn't have to defend his belt against legit 205ers very often.
Belfort and Chael are nothing to brag about for a guy moving to HW.
Even machida now weighs about 204 on fight night recently.
Rampage, Shogun, Rashad. Stop fronting like dude isn't legit. Phone Post
4/2/13 9:07 PM
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BLACKBUDDAH -  Jones is going to beat Sonnen worst than Anderson. Phone Post

YOu mean when he took 300+ punches by Sonnen in the first fight or the illegal knee in the second?

meh
4/2/13 9:28 PM
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Sonnen is going to retire Jones.

4/2/13 9:39 PM
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Gotta be one of the biggest UFC title mismatches in years!
4/2/13 9:51 PM
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I think Jones is going to make short work of Chael. He's just too big. The fight I want is Jones/Cormier.

 

4/2/13 10:27 PM
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Rambo John J - JJ should be glad he doesn't have to defend his belt against legit 205ers very often.
Belfort and Chael are nothing to brag about for a guy moving to HW.
Even machida now weighs about 204 on fight night recently.
Rampage, Shogun, Rashad. Stop fronting like dude isn't legit. Phone Post

Well, if you're going to go there... Shogun and Rashad are both small and likely 185ers against the modern light heavyweight.

Rampage is one-dimensional and way over the hill.
4/2/13 10:39 PM
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Never Paid Wolf Ticket Taxes - Regardless what people think of Jon's personality outside the cage, he's a fucking assassin once that cage door shuts.

This is most definitely the easiest title defense he's had, and will probably go on to be the easiest. Absolute joke of a fight. Phone Post
What about Rampage? You clown Phone Post 3.0
4/2/13 11:02 PM
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I like Jon Jones more after that comment, just calling it like it is.
4/3/13 12:31 AM
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With a bit of luck Sonnen will get beaten easily and decide he's far more talented behind a mic or doing commentary work for the UFC.

Stick to what you're truly good at Chael.
4/3/13 2:17 AM
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MMA6053 - With a bit of luck Sonnen will get beaten easily and decide he's far more talented behind a mic or doing commentary work for the UFC.

Stick to what you're truly good at Chael.
I'd say he is truly good at fighting Phone Post
4/3/13 2:36 AM
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MMA6053 - With a bit of luck Sonnen will get beaten easily and decide he's far more talented behind a mic or doing commentary work for the UFC.

Stick to what you're truly good at Chael.
I'd say he is truly good at fighting Phone Post

At 27-12-1 your 'truly' doesnt carry much weight....
4/3/13 3:08 AM
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Although I agree, JBJ better back his mouth up and not lose Phone Post
4/3/13 5:16 PM
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Rambo John J - JJ should be glad he doesn't have to defend his belt against legit 205ers very often.
Belfort and Chael are nothing to brag about for a guy moving to HW.
Even machida now weighs about 204 on fight night recently.
Rampage, Shogun, Rashad. Stop fronting like dude isn't legit. Phone Post

Well, if you're going to go there... Shogun and Rashad are both small and likely 185ers against the modern light heavyweight.

Rampage is one-dimensional and way over the hill.

they should not even have a 205 class huh? everyone who fights in that class or once fought in that class sucks.
4/3/13 5:54 PM
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I admire and appreciate Jone's skill, but I detest him as they he represents himself as an athlete/person.  I really hope Sonnen beats his ass.

4/3/13 5:56 PM
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Jones' weakness is sub defense. Sonnen isn't a finisher. Jones also has a reach and size advantage. Enough IMHO to make Sonnen's slightly superior wrestling largely ineffective.

Textbook Jones win I'm guessing. Hope Chael is getting a big payday with this, because after there isn't much left for him. Phone Post 3.0
4/3/13 11:50 PM
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Sure hope these are head games. Jones might get shocked if he is taking this fight lightly. A real loss might be good. Could turn jones into a super machine, even more then he is now!
4/4/13 1:57 AM
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MMA6053 - With a bit of luck Sonnen will get beaten easily and decide he's far more talented behind a mic or doing commentary work for the UFC.

Stick to what you're truly good at Chael.
I'd say he is truly good at fighting Phone Post

At 27-12-1 your 'truly' doesnt carry much weight....
Please tell me you're not just basing a fighters skills based off of a fight record?
That's some dumb shit. Phone Post 3.0
4/4/13 6:56 PM
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BLACKBUDDAH -  Jones is going to beat Sonnen worst than Anderson. Phone Post

YOu mean when he took 300+ punches by Sonnen in the first fight or the illegal knee in the second?

meh
One of the worst beatings you can take is the one punch or submission that makes the 300+ punches irrelevant. Phone Post
4/4/13 6:58 PM
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Rambo John J - JJ should be glad he doesn't have to defend his belt against legit 205ers very often.
Belfort and Chael are nothing to brag about for a guy moving to HW.
Even machida now weighs about 204 on fight night recently.
Rampage, Shogun, Rashad. Stop fronting like dude isn't legit. Phone Post

Well, if you're going to go there... Shogun and Rashad are both small and likely 185ers against the modern light heavyweight.

Rampage is one-dimensional and way over the hill.
Hater Phone Post

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