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4/18/13 12:11 AM
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and Kirik is correct. what a waste of time and money.  It's weed for christ sake. It's practically legal in Cali.

Government is just mad cause they want a piece of the pie (tax revenue).


More like the DEA desperately justifying their existence. Do you think those agents want to have to go find real jobs, doing real police work?

Or how about they try to stop the real problems like fucking meth. According to the fed fucking meth is safer than Weed. I am not a smoker but jesus that is insane to me.

Josh seems like a pretty smart guy so he had to know the risk of dealing in weed, especially those kinds of quantities. Legal in the state yes but not to the fed. And when you have nearly 1400 plants you are asking for a ton of heat.

4/18/13 12:13 AM
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HexRei - To be fair, the marijuana in the market today isn't "nature". It's been carefully selectively bred by growers over the decades, and it's farmed in a way that would never occur in nature, which results in a product that would never occur in nature.

That said, its still retarded to make it illegal.

That's silly, it's exactly what happens in nature, except we direct it.
Same way tomatoes can grow smaller or larger each generation, except we select them to direct a very natural process of microevolution. Also not different from how we grow tomatoes with ideal conditions... Not anything unnatural, just that it would be stupid to choose less than ideal conditions when growing a crop

Same deal with Marijuana

Agree with this. Hell every crop in the world is genetically enhanced and selectively grown. From Weed to Corn the difference between weed and legal crops is that the government pays for research on things like corn to improve it.

4/18/13 12:15 AM
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and Kirik is correct. what a waste of time and money.  It's weed for christ sake. It's practically legal in Cali.

Government is just mad cause they want a piece of the pie (tax revenue).


More like the DEA desperately justifying their existence. Do you think those agents want to have to go find real jobs, doing real police work?

Or how about they try to stop the real problems like fucking meth. According to the fed fucking meth is safer than Weed. I am not a smoker but jesus that is insane to me.

Josh seems like a pretty smart guy so he had to know the risk of dealing in weed, especially those kinds of quantities. Legal in the state yes but not to the fed. And when you have nearly 1400 plants you are asking for a ton of heat.


It wasnt legal by state or county either, FWIW. 1400 is way more plants than any caregiver grow is allowed.
4/18/13 12:38 AM
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$6 million? wow....

I doubt its that much. They tend to take the wet weight of everything, buds, stems, leaves and root balls then calculate how many joints it would be then work out the cost for all those joints. Really deceiving but makes it more impressive Phone Post

I did a bid in Fed. for the same charge, the way the calculate is every plant (this includes clones) are considered 2.lbs, (they define plant as having roots if it has roots then they charge that way) funny thing is I never once yielded 2lbs off any 1 plant.

he is going to do alot of time for that much, I had 125 plants and did 24 months. (was originally 5 year mandatory but since it was my first time being arrested I had what is called safetly valve and only did 2 years)

sorry to say it but he is gonna do more than 5 on this
That's insane.
I live in Canada, never been busted but a few of my buddies have. Had an outdoor on the island with hundreds of huge 6' + plants with buds the size of my arm. Cops nabbed them when they were waiting for the uhauls to arrive to take them down and after all court was over all they got was probation. No jail.

The guy who owned the property had to fight to keep the land from being seized but in the end he kept it Phone Post
4/18/13 12:48 AM
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and Kirik is correct. what a waste of time and money.  It's weed for christ sake. It's practically legal in Cali.

Government is just mad cause they want a piece of the pie (tax revenue).


More like the DEA desperately justifying their existence. Do you think those agents want to have to go find real jobs, doing real police work?

Or how about they try to stop the real problems like fucking meth. According to the fed fucking meth is safer than Weed. I am not a smoker but jesus that is insane to me.

Josh seems like a pretty smart guy so he had to know the risk of dealing in weed, especially those kinds of quantities. Legal in the state yes but not to the fed. And when you have nearly 1400 plants you are asking for a ton of heat.


It wasnt legal by state or county either, FWIW. 1400 is way more plants than any caregiver grow is allowed.
That's my point 1400 plants seems like a crazy number. If you are in that deep you have to know it is highly illegal and that much weed is going to attract the wrong kinds of attention. Phone Post 3.0
4/18/13 12:51 AM
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Hang in there Josh   

4/18/13 1:28 AM
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God damnit, how stupid.
4/18/13 1:39 AM
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UGCTT_VA757_GJTT -  Marijuana is not a drug Phone Post

now I know you are trying to be one of those pseudo intellectual types, but marijuana is a drug. Go take chemistry 101 in high school buddy. Coffee is a drug too btw idiot.

You learned about the chemical makeup of marijuana in Chemistry 101? Lol Uggghhhh the anti marijuana people are such huge faggots. Phone Post
Thank you white knight

CRMartin...marijuana is not a drug, people suck dick for coke. Do you know anyone who sucks dick for marijuana? I don't think so.


So please go back to sitting on your front porch telling young whipper snappers to get off your damn lawn. Phone Post
He's right but by definition, water is a drug and so is food. It was government who deemed drugs to be evil, not the definition of drugs Phone Post 3.0
If water is a drug, then I call bullshit on what people think are drugs. Drugs are manufactured...like pain pills, crack, coke, heroin, pcp, lsd, benzos, meth...all are manufactured.

Pot is a plant, shrooms are a fungus, technically hash is made from weed but I would call it the exception since it's not cut with anything.

I don't know...you say potato, I say tomato..... Phone Post

morphine is found in nature, not manufactured.   is that a drug?  Heroin is just a one step conversion to morphine, btw.

 

Amphetamines are found in nature, including meth.   Is that a drug?

Morphine is found in nature?

Where the fuck do you live?

I'm packing my belongings now I'll be there shortly...

Opium is found in nature not morphine. Phone Post
4/18/13 1:48 AM
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I realize this is a long speach and that at times it drags but its the best speech you will ever hear and it has everything to do with the drug issue.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=q03cWio-zjk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dq03cWio-zjk

Also PBS had a bomb documentry on drugs in America that ran last week, if you watch it you might come away with an improved perspective. Phone Post
4/18/13 2:58 AM
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LakerUp - It's disappointing to see intelligent posters, including Kirik, wildly speculating and casting aspersions on federal law enforcement. There's a few people that grasp just how many plants Rosenthal had and how highly illegal it is, but not many. Marijuana, just like any drug, is harmful when abused. If you truly believe Rosenthal was a victim, then there is no convincing you otherwise, regardless of the facts surrounding this issue.

Alcohol is by far a more harmful drug than MJ in every way other than the fact it can be imbibed in small amounts without intoxicating effects. But that has no bearing on the fact that drugs, including MJ, need to be controlled. Read a history book for goodness sakes. Phone Post 3.0

History books that are going to demonstrate that marijuana is dangerous? I think I saw the film version, "Reefer Madness".
4/18/13 3:07 AM
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LakerUp - It's disappointing to see intelligent posters, including Kirik, wildly speculating and casting aspersions on federal law enforcement. There's a few people that grasp just how many plants Rosenthal had and how highly illegal it is, but not many. Marijuana, just like any drug, is harmful when abused. If you truly believe Rosenthal was a victim, then there is no convincing you otherwise, regardless of the facts surrounding this issue.

Alcohol is by far a more harmful drug than MJ in every way other than the fact it can be imbibed in small amounts without intoxicating effects. But that has no bearing on the fact that drugs, including MJ, need to be controlled. Read a history book for goodness sakes. Phone Post 3.0
You are wrong, watch the video I posted.

Drugs can't be controled. Isn't the reason why we put drugs on a controlled substance list because they're harmfull?

Now the penalty for doing drugs is more harmful than doing drugs... Phone Post
4/18/13 3:11 AM
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LakerUp - It's disappointing to see intelligent posters, including Kirik, wildly speculating and casting aspersions on federal law enforcement. There's a few people that grasp just how many plants Rosenthal had and how highly illegal it is, but not many. Marijuana, just like any drug, is harmful when abused. If you truly believe Rosenthal was a victim, then there is no convincing you otherwise, regardless of the facts surrounding this issue.

Alcohol is by far a more harmful drug than MJ in every way other than the fact it can be imbibed in small amounts without intoxicating effects. But that has no bearing on the fact that drugs, including MJ, need to be controlled. Read a history book for goodness sakes. Phone Post 3.0

History books that are going to demonstrate that marijuana is dangerous? I think I saw the film version, "Reefer Madness".
Just because you can't overdose from abusing MJ does not mean it does not have harmful effects. These disingenuous arguments are exactly what keep MJ advocates from being taken seriously. Of course it's dangerous when abused. Get real dude. Phone Post 3.0
So is vitamin C what's your point? Phone Post
4/18/13 3:19 AM
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Met Josh at my first UFC event in Vegas, travelled from the UK all the way to see 130 (sucked ass!), he was a proper cool fella, obviously stoned as fuck now in hindsight!
4/18/13 3:33 AM
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LakerUp - It's disappointing to see intelligent posters, including Kirik, wildly speculating and casting aspersions on federal law enforcement. There's a few people that grasp just how many plants Rosenthal had and how highly illegal it is, but not many. Marijuana, just like any drug, is harmful when abused. If you truly believe Rosenthal was a victim, then there is no convincing you otherwise, regardless of the facts surrounding this issue.

Alcohol is by far a more harmful drug than MJ in every way other than the fact it can be imbibed in small amounts without intoxicating effects. But that has no bearing on the fact that drugs, including MJ, need to be controlled. Read a history book for goodness sakes. Phone Post 3.0

History books that are going to demonstrate that marijuana is dangerous? I think I saw the film version, "Reefer Madness".
Just because you can't overdose from abusing MJ does not mean it does not have harmful effects. These disingenuous arguments are exactly what keep MJ advocates from being taken seriously. Of course it's dangerous when abused. Get real dude. Phone Post 3.0
So is vitamin C what's your point? Phone Post
What's your point? Mine is pretty clear. Phone Post 3.0
Umm no its not, our world is full of things that are dangerous if misused or abused. Around 40,000 people die every year due to car wrecks but nobody's going to jail for selling cars..

Just so you know, we have a prison industry. Let me type that again, "a prison industry" that is perpetuated by drug laws.

That's why marijuana advocates don't make headway, Mr willfully ignorant. Phone Post
4/18/13 3:39 AM
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When I say controlled I meant as it pertains to drugs used for recreational purposes IE banned and criminalize. So no they are not successfully controlled, see prohibition.

How many peers did you have in school that drank or smoked?

They can't even keep illegal drugs out of Prisons but you think they can control them?

Not sure where you get your information Phone Post
4/18/13 4:20 AM
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UGSlapshot -  When I say controlled I meant as it pertains to drugs used for recreational purposes IE banned and criminalize. So no they are not successfully controlled, see prohibition.

How many peers did you have in school that drank or smoked?

They can't even keep illegal drugs out of Prisons but you think they can control them?

Not sure where you get your information Phone Post

There are thousands of legal drugs that are abused for recreational purposes.  Gold spray paint, hand sanitizer, wild gypsum weed, whippets, and cough syrup among them.  People are going to use drugs regardless of the law.  I understand that is your point.  However, drug control works every single day to prevent far greater amounts of abuse.  Look how capitalism has effected the medical marijuans industry.  It's a billion dollar for profit drug enterprise.  Just imagine how profitable a free market would be with all drugs on the table.  Drug control is working.  Don't kid yourself.

Babble on but don't get confused and think you won a debate, you've successfully rebuttaled nothing.

Drug control has never been successful.

Feel free to prove me wrong about our prison industry and drug war, I wont be holding my breath. Phone Post
4/18/13 4:33 AM
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read the article for fucks sake.
Maybe the 2 of you have a history on here and don't like each other, but he is on the app and speaking from experience, it can sometimes be a real pain in the ass to leave a thread your reading to click on a link, especially on Android.

Coming from my experiences using the Android app, what will happen more often than not, if you follow a link that's been posted in a thread, when you try to leave the browser that you used to view the link and try to go back to the exact page that you left, you end up entirely out of the thread. And unlike the iPhone app, the Android app doesn't show you which page you're on. We only have First Page, Back, Next, Last Page (not to mention we also can't see post counts for members and join dates.

Just trying to diffuse any anger here :) Phone Post
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therealeags - You would be surprised of the amount of MMA fighters involved in the Medical Marijuana trade.

I myself have trimmed with 3 pro fighter, 2 decently well known. The guy I worked for is a pro fighter coming up right now.

Of course I won't throw any names out there but dude is a beast and makes a lot of money. In the 3 camps I worked in just last year there was over 400 plants avg 5.5 lbs per plant...granted this is outdoor, but they grow it like its indoor for sure. Being a full time fighter you need jobs where you can do hard work and get payed a lot of loot but leave you time to train full time.

A lot of Norcal fighters trim and do security on the side. It's some bullshit that Josh is going through this...but you got to pay your taxes when making all that loot...and sometimes that comes in the form of jail time.
Why would I be surprised? Is the number 2? :) Phone Post
4/18/13 4:48 AM
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HexRei - To be fair, the marijuana in the market today isn't "nature". It's been carefully selectively bred by growers over the decades, and it's farmed in a way that would never occur in nature, which results in a product that would never occur in nature.

That said, its still retarded to make it illegal.

That's silly, it's exactly what happens in nature, except we direct it.
Same way tomatoes can grow smaller or larger each generation, except we select them to direct a very natural process of microevolution. Also not different from how we grow tomatoes with ideal conditions... Not anything unnatural, just that it would be stupid to choose less than ideal conditions when growing a crop

Same deal with Marijuana

yay - semantics!
I don't smoke weed but I'm 110% FOR legalizing it. It's no worse than alcohol and I personally think it's fucking ridiculous that the government gets to decide what I can and can't ingest or inhale.

With that said, I never liked the "it's natural" argument because by trying to use that angle to defend your rite to smoke, then the government should legalize opium too.

And just to be clear, let me say again that it's so amazing to me that it isn't legal. Phone Post
4/18/13 4:55 AM
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LakerUp - I've mentioned this before in this forum, but it's still a fact that most of you will probably be quite surprised to learn.

Do you know who the biggest private lobbyists AGAINST marijuana legalization are? As in the entity(s) that donates the most money to prevent MJ legalization.

It's none other than the medical marijuana industry. What does that tell you about drugs and legalization? Phone Post 3.0
I don't see how that would be surprising to anyone...

On a side note,

Please for the love of God, turned down the stupid in your posts. I can't continue this back and forth banter if I lose interest because you can't make a valid point. Phone Post
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LakerUp - I've mentioned this before in this forum, but it's still a fact that most of you will probably be quite surprised to learn.

Do you know who the biggest private lobbyists AGAINST marijuana legalization are? As in the entity(s) that donates the most money to prevent MJ legalization.

It's none other than the medical marijuana industry. What does that tell you about drugs and legalization? Phone Post 3.0
I don't see how that would be surprising to anyone...

On a side note,

Please for the love of God, turned down the stupid in your posts. I can't continue this back and forth banter if I lose interest because you can't make a valid point. Phone Post

I'm turned it down right away!

Shucks, you did that for me?

And here I thought you didn't have the capacity. Phone Post
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You don't by chance wild each it lol, do you?

WAIT you're developing comprehension? Phone Post
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Sad, I've known him FOREVER cuz we're both in Oakland Phone Post 3.0
4/18/13 7:20 AM
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Another instance where the legal system is wasting precious police work for a plant that should have been universally legalized fifty years ago instead of focusing on real crime that actually HARMS people. One can see how privatizing most of the prison system was a terrible decision and mostly detrimental to the US as a whole.

This also sucks because Rosenthal was arguably the best ref in the business, certainly the one with the less questionable decisions. Even the awesome HERB doesn't have a better track record.

Shame. We probably won't ever see Josh locked up in there with 2 warriors. What a terrible fucking week for America.
4/18/13 7:27 AM
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Kublai khan style -  What he did was illegal at the time. He broke the law and should be punished. That's the way it goes or we have anarchy. Don't like the law then campaign against it but if you break it expect jail, which he might be cool with but a lot of bitches crying for him here. Phone Post

blah blah anarchy blah blah. Stupid laws should be ignored. Fuck the feds.

rabble rabble sheeple zetgeist, "insert Monson Quote"

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