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4/21/13 10:36 AM
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Never gonna pay Taxes - Not sure, but I had it Gil 1,2,5

It was a good fight though, I know they'll meet again soon

Would love to see Gil vs. Pettis, but I know Pettis is booked
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4/21/13 10:38 AM
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To anyone saying "this fighter clearly won", no. No one clearly one. "Clearly" winning is finishing someone. Or a fight that has scores of 30-25, 30-26.

Every round was close. Every single round. Because nothing of significance ever happened. 25 minutes of "maybe this guy is winning?"

When it goes to the judges, there shouldn't be a judge sitting there who runs an affiliate school of the man in a fighter's corner, period. Phone Post 3.0
4/21/13 10:38 AM
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"No one clearly won"

That's embarrassing. Phone Post 3.0
4/21/13 10:41 AM
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There was no winner in that fight. Pretty much dead even. So if a judge scores it for Gil it's not in any way out of nowhere.


The real infraction of judging is why bendo is still the champ and not Edgar. Frankie won their second fight. Phone Post
4/21/13 10:42 AM
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I think judges should recuse themselves from certain matches like Supreme Court Justices because of conflict of interest.

With all the supposed budo in MMA, these judges should all be martial artist and have the honor to not judge those they trained with.

IRL, that will never happen.



I had it 1, 2, 5 for Gil.
4/21/13 10:43 AM
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The big question is was this guy one of the judges in the 3rd Melendez/Thompson fight? If so he should lose his job.
4/21/13 10:48 AM
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The problem is the controversy that sparks from something like this. The fight was close. I don't have a problem with his score. Phone Post
4/21/13 10:53 AM
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4/21/13 11:04 AM
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yup. this type of conflict of interest needs to be disclosed.

4/21/13 11:05 AM
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I have no problem with the guy's scorecard. I had Gil winning the fight as well. Still doesn't negate the fact that it was inappropriate for him to be judging that fight. Phone Post
4/21/13 11:05 AM
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epic hero - The one who scored it correctly too
I thought you all were saying 1, 2, 5 not 1, 4, 5? Phone Post

Yeah I definitely had it 1 2 5, not 1 4 5

I had it 1,2, and 5 too

same here
4/21/13 11:09 AM
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The fix was in and they still couldnt get the win!

4/21/13 11:09 AM
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I thought you all were saying 1, 2, 5 not 1, 4, 5? Phone Post

Yeah I definitely had it 1 2 5, not 1 4 5

I had it 1,2, and 5 too

same here
Then you guys do not agree that he scored it correctly...
He gave Melendez 1, 4, and 5. Phone Post 3.0
4/21/13 11:22 AM
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this is way worse situation when a monetary gain is involved versus having a friend fight.
4/21/13 11:24 AM
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4/21/13 11:26 AM
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I thought you all were saying 1, 2, 5 not 1, 4, 5? Phone Post

Yeah I definitely had it 1 2 5, not 1 4 5

I had it 1,2, and 5 too

same here
Then you guys do not agree that he scored it correctly...
He gave Melendez 1, 4, and 5. Phone Post 3.0

Just imo
No I'm fine with you scoring it however you feel it went.. I'm just saying, you can't say that score and then also say that you agreed with the judge. He didnt think Melendez won the second. Phone Post 3.0
4/21/13 11:43 AM
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You don't get it because you're a fucking idiot.

The whole point of this topic is Vierra should not have sat in this fight to judge. He is affiliated with Caesar Gracie gym, therefore it is very easy for him to be impartial when the fight would go to a decision, which it did.

Personally, I thought Henderson edged out the decision win, even though it was a very close fight. But like I said, this is one corrupted officiating by California State Athletic Commission.
4/21/13 11:45 AM
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It was a close fight, thought Bendo won but the commission cant allow this guy to judge CGJJ fighters.

its like letting Almeida judge Frankie fights in NJ.
4/21/13 12:06 PM
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So lets me ask the people who say this is no big deal a question.

If it turned out that the guy reading the scale at the weigh-ins for GSP vs Diaz owned an affiliated gym of and was a friend Firas Zahabi you would be completely ok with it? Phone Post 3.0
4/21/13 12:09 PM
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You guys realize Gil isn't a Cesar Gracie guy right? He just learned BJJ from him.

Did you see Cesar or any of those guys in his corner? No. Gil has his own gym, his own team, etc...

Not to mention, a LOT of people scored the fight for Gil.

4/21/13 12:12 PM
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Immaculata - He was the one that scored it properly. You guys and your silly conspiracy theories.

You don't see a probably with it though? This isn't a conspiracy. Ricardo Almeida is a good judge but can't judge any of Edgar's fights, but this guy can judge CGJJ fighters? You dont see the problem with the potential bias?


No. Absolutely not. The MMA World is a very small one. Do you really think this guy hangs out with Melendez on a regular basis? Has dinner with him and his Family? You guys want "Experienced" Judges who "train". Well, these judges need to come from somewhere! I can understand if this was a Nam Phan vs. Leonard Garcia type of Robbery, but you guys on here like to "reach" for reasons of conspiracy. It's crazy! The judge got it right in A LOT of people's opinions, including mine! There's no conspiracy here.

 

How do you know for sure what his true feeling on the camp and it's fighters are?

 

there are plenty of judges from England and brazil that can be brought in for fights they are apprioately distanced  and unbiased for, so if we lack North American judges to do that it's just cheapness not solving it.

 

What if the fight had been even closer and he decises the fight for Gil when another when changes his close call to Gilb but it's close enough that Ben still still should have won based on strike numbers or whateve, then there is a conspiracy, where as all unbiased ones creates no potential either way.


Did he just wild each it, or is my brain shutting down?
4/21/13 12:18 PM
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Never gonna pay Taxes - Not sure, but I had it Gil 1,2,5

It was a good fight though, I know they'll meet again soon

Would love to see Gil vs. Pettis, but I know Pettis is booked
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4/21/13 12:22 PM
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Immaculata - He was the one that scored it properly. You guys and your silly conspiracy theories.
It's completely besides the point whether he scored it properly or not. You can't do that. If a former player for the Knicks reffed a Knicks game in the playoffs do you think there would be something wrong with that? Phone Post

Exactly. The score is irrelevant. It's a conflict of interest and the fact that people may question his intents is why he never should have been put in this position to begin with.
4/21/13 12:32 PM
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4/21/13 12:33 PM
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Athletic comission once again fucked up. Yes it was a close fight so the judging might not have been to weird but considering the dudes ties to Gracie he should have never been a judge on this fucking fight. He should have excuse himself. But apart from personal opinion the commission should have intervened.

 

Compare to all the BS Gracie camp started regarding the GSP vs Diaz fight the should show some sense of selfcorrection and admit that this is a very shady situation.


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