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4/23/13 7:00 PM
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So much of the sport is revolved around scoring rounds now, the fight itself is second in comparison. We need more draws, or scoring the over all fight like Prides did.
4/23/13 7:13 PM
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Agreed, if there isn't a significant gap between how well fighters did, it should be reflected in the record as a draw.
Aldo agree about the rounds scoring, awful seeing td in the last 10 seconds just because it gives judges a boner even though it has no fight value Phone Post 3.0
4/23/13 7:18 PM
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For me, this would respark my passion for the sport.

I am blah because the direction the sport had taken due to the judging criteria.

Pride Rules Phone Post 3.0
4/23/13 7:48 PM
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Agreed, one long round to a finish or a clear winner. Otherwise, draw. Phone Post 3.0
4/23/13 7:55 PM
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Agree somewhat, but actually using 1-10 scores would help a lot as well.  It's ridiculous that judges have 10 numbers to score a round with but only ever use 3 of them... we seriously might as well call it the 3 point must system and score every round 3-2.

It has to be a complete blowout with one guy doing absolutely nothing to get a 10-8... don't even get me started on the people that want to add decimals into the equation!

4/23/13 8:07 PM
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Agree why can't rounds be 1 through 10? Why use 10 if your not gonna use the rest.

Just seems stupid and no wonder so many close / wrong / draw decisions whb it's 10 or 9 Phone Post 3.0
4/23/13 8:32 PM
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Different scoring may complicate things. You'd be better off getting well trained judges. Phone Post 3.0
4/24/13 1:04 AM
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SecretSeraphim - Different scoring may complicate things. You'd be better off getting well trained judges. Phone Post 3.0

to do what ? count takedowns ?
4/24/13 3:31 AM
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There are way too many close fights that score in favor of one fighter that really should have been a draw. Shogun/Hendo is one.
4/24/13 1:25 PM
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a draw is more satisfying then a squeak ed out decision
4/24/13 2:33 PM
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SecretSeraphim - Different scoring may complicate things. You'd be better off getting well trained judges. Phone Post 3.0

to do what ? count takedowns ?
This x1000. Phone Post
4/24/13 5:56 PM
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paddle to New Zealand - a draw is more satisfying then a squeak ed out decision

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4/25/13 2:28 AM
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ttt for the fighters chiming in on this thread
4/25/13 2:40 AM
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One round 15 or 25 minute fight. Judges declare decision over the fight as a whole and are ok with giving out a draw in a close fight. Phone Post 3.0
4/25/13 3:55 PM
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4/25/13 4:05 PM
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The must system is terrible for MMA. It's totally shoe horned in there, and needs to be changed.
4/25/13 5:48 PM
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The problem isn't the system it's the judges.

When the 10-point must system is applied correctly, I have yet to see a fight that would yield a different (or better) result under a "whole fight" scoring system, or even a different ruleset.
4/25/13 5:50 PM
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ShoeMoney - Agree why can't rounds be 1 through 10? Why use 10 if your not gonna use the rest.

Just seems stupid and no wonder so many close / wrong / draw decisions whb it's 10 or 9 Phone Post 3.0

It's for simplicity and consistency.

As it stands, we can barely get judges to agree on a 10-10, 10-9, or 10-8 round.

If they had the full range of numbers, round-by-round scoring would be all over the place. Decisions would be even more random than they are now.

The system needs to be as simple as possible. Although you want trained/educated judges, the system itself should be simple enough that a virtual novice to the sport could score a fight and get it close.
4/25/13 5:54 PM
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ShoeMoney - Agree why can't rounds be 1 through 10? Why use 10 if your not gonna use the rest.

Just seems stupid and no wonder so many close / wrong / draw decisions whb it's 10 or 9 Phone Post 3.0

It's for simplicity and consistency.

As it stands, we can barely get judges to agree on a 10-10, 10-9, or 10-8 round.

If they had the full range of numbers, round-by-round scoring would be all over the place. Decisions would be even more random than they are now.

The system needs to be as simple as possible. Although you want trained/educated judges, the system itself should be simple enough that a virtual novice to the sport could score a fight and get it close.

Right now it's overly simplified though... a round that is a virtual tie is going to be scored the same as a round in which there is a clear winner.  At the very least we should start doling out 10-8's more frequently for dominant rounds, and maybe reserve 10-7's for complete blowouts.

4/25/13 6:03 PM
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ShoeMoney - Agree why can't rounds be 1 through 10? Why use 10 if your not gonna use the rest.

Just seems stupid and no wonder so many close / wrong / draw decisions whb it's 10 or 9 Phone Post 3.0

It's for simplicity and consistency.

As it stands, we can barely get judges to agree on a 10-10, 10-9, or 10-8 round.

If they had the full range of numbers, round-by-round scoring would be all over the place. Decisions would be even more random than they are now.

The system needs to be as simple as possible. Although you want trained/educated judges, the system itself should be simple enough that a virtual novice to the sport could score a fight and get it close.
I disagree. Mma has multiple aspects, each part of the game is complicated and requires appreciation of subtleties to recognize which fighter is winning and by how much.
Maybe Mma should be a sport that can not be easily scored by an untrained novice.

So far it's been watered down to 'count number of take downs, who was on top, who swung more' these are just ridiculous for scoring a real fight well Phone Post 3.0
4/25/13 6:22 PM
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ShoeMoney - Agree why can't rounds be 1 through 10? Why use 10 if your not gonna use the rest.

Just seems stupid and no wonder so many close / wrong / draw decisions whb it's 10 or 9 Phone Post 3.0

It's for simplicity and consistency.

As it stands, we can barely get judges to agree on a 10-10, 10-9, or 10-8 round.

If they had the full range of numbers, round-by-round scoring would be all over the place. Decisions would be even more random than they are now.

The system needs to be as simple as possible. Although you want trained/educated judges, the system itself should be simple enough that a virtual novice to the sport could score a fight and get it close.
I disagree. Mma has multiple aspects, each part of the game is complicated and requires appreciation of subtleties to recognize which fighter is winning and by how much.
Maybe Mma should be a sport that can not be easily scored by an untrained novice.

So far it's been watered down to 'count number of take downs, who was on top, who swung more' these are just ridiculous for scoring a real fight well Phone Post 3.0

I don't disagree that there are many nuanced subtleties to the fight game that can take years of training to truly understand and comprehend - the scoring system shouldn't be the same way.

Take, for example, the oft-touted Pride system. No points. No rounds (in the scoring sense of the word). Just, "Who won the fight?" That's as simple as it gets, and even a first-time watcher understands it.

IMO, the Pride system is TOO unstructured, which is why I prefer the 10-point must system. I feel it walks the line between pure, direct verdict (like Pride), and over-analyzing a fight which can lead to missing the forest for the trees (like a Fight Metric analysis).

How often have we seen a fighter seem to be a "winner" based on the Fight Metric stats, but who clearly didn't "win" the fight? Numbers don't always tell the story, and getting bogged down too much by them can detract from the spirit of the fight.
4/25/13 6:23 PM
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ShoeMoney - Agree why can't rounds be 1 through 10? Why use 10 if your not gonna use the rest.

Just seems stupid and no wonder so many close / wrong / draw decisions whb it's 10 or 9 Phone Post 3.0

It's for simplicity and consistency.

As it stands, we can barely get judges to agree on a 10-10, 10-9, or 10-8 round.

If they had the full range of numbers, round-by-round scoring would be all over the place. Decisions would be even more random than they are now.

The system needs to be as simple as possible. Although you want trained/educated judges, the system itself should be simple enough that a virtual novice to the sport could score a fight and get it close.
I disagree. Mma has multiple aspects, each part of the game is complicated and requires appreciation of subtleties to recognize which fighter is winning and by how much.
Maybe Mma should be a sport that can not be easily scored by an untrained novice.

So far it's been watered down to 'count number of take downs, who was on top, who swung more' these are just ridiculous for scoring a real fight well Phone Post 3.0

Also, your chief complaint that it's been watered down to take downs, top control, and wild swinging has more to do with judges than the system itself.

The 10-point must system has no built-in reward for missed punches and ineffective grappling. It's the judges giving them the decisions.
4/26/13 12:10 AM
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if it goes to the judges that means the winner didnt do his job.
4/26/13 12:26 AM
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why not just get rid of judges altogether.? I mean who says we need judges anyways?, the AC.. Just so they can get paid and their judges paid.

Why not make it (1) 15min round for non title fights and non Main Event fights. (1) 25min fight for the rest. The fighter must either win by KO/TKO, SUB, Dr. stoppage/ref stoppage, throw in the towel. If noone wins in the alloted time, the fight is declared a Draw.
If its for a title, you can have an extra 5min round. then a Draw. Phone Post
4/26/13 1:29 AM
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agreed^ .


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