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4/24/13 2:26 PM
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My klout score is 56 :(

4/24/13 2:29 PM
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Matt,

We are 2% fake 18% inactive and 80% real according to the same system

We have 3841 followers and follow 3,539

Our Klout is at 54
4/24/13 2:29 PM
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People do not give Jason credit.
He is really fucking smart, and in touch.

And yes, people buy fake twitter followers. Phone Post 3.0
4/24/13 2:33 PM
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crossfire - Since you admitted that there is no way for you to determine if the account is fake or inactive , all you have accomplished is to devalue the said fighters marketing status which i guess the whole point of this "article" ? Pretty shitty thing to do IMO. Phone Post 3.0

Delusional much?
Then please enlighten me on how you separate a fake account from a inactive one ?

As many other already pointed out my account has no tweets no followers and rarely use it. Phone Post 3.0

 

From the FAQ of the software used to do the research

 

We take a sample of your follower data. Up to 1,000 records depending on how 'popular' you are and assess them against a number of simple spam criteria.

On a very basic level spam accounts tend to have few or no followers and few or no tweets. But in contrast they tend to follow a lot of other accounts.

For those of you with 50,000* followers or less we believe our tool will provide a very accurate insight into how many inactive and fake followers you have.

There are two reasons. First it's important for you to be sure when you communicate on Twitter that you are communicating with real and active followers. Because the more active your follower base the more likely they are to share your content.

The second reason is there are a growing number of Fakers out there. People who buy followers in a vain attempt to build legitimacy. "Look at me I have 20,000 followers, I must know my..." They are essentially trying to game the system and it's important for you to be able to spot them, and steer clear of them. Because ultimately if you're willing to lie about how many friends you have you are not a very trustworthy individual.

 

4/24/13 2:37 PM
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crossfire - Since you admitted that there is no way for you to determine if the account is fake or inactive , all you have accomplished is to devalue the said fighters marketing status which i guess the whole point of this "article" ? Pretty shitty thing to do IMO. Phone Post 3.0

Delusional much?
Then please enlighten me on how you separate a fake account from a inactive one ?

As many other already pointed out my account has no tweets no followers and rarely use it. Phone Post 3.0

This is a third party software that does the measurement. We used Status People (same system used by Yahoo News) and then to add some point of reference we added in KLOUT for the top 10. Dana may have a lot of fake or inactives but he has a high Klout score and I seriously doubt you would find one endemic brand that would not pay him for a tweet.

As a company that handles brands social media and marketing/sponsorship budgets we employ a lot of tools to measure the value of the spend. I use Nielson ratings in many of my pitches. However I know that the ratings are not spot on accurate but they are the industry standard. The third party software used was not written by us. We used what others in the industry use to gauge. Our mistake would be the in the Inforgraphic not being specific that the top 5 are made up of Fake and Inactive. The #1 athlete does have 82% fake and only 11 inactive..
4/24/13 2:38 PM
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Inforgraohic has been removed until it can be updated. it was clearly not accurate.
4/24/13 2:43 PM
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Meh Phone Post 3.0
4/24/13 2:49 PM
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@superCalo results

Fake: 8% 

Inactive: 31% 

Good: 61%

Klout: 54

4/24/13 3:13 PM
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Hey Jason, thanks for the reply.

Status People seems like an interesting tool, but I wish they were more transparent with their methodology.

 

I'm curious, what is the relevancy here of a unit of Klout? 

Given the parameters of this topic, Klout score seems fairly meaningless. It isn't representative of quantity or quality of one's Twitter network, otherwise Roy Nelson's claim to 7% "Good" followers out of a pool of 566,458 would merit him a lower score than Junior Dos Santos with 19% of 599,987. As Klout tells it, Mr. Nelson is the more influential of the two.

What's more, a poster in this thread purports to have a Klout score of 56, while Ingrained Media, a Marketing & Talent Management agency has 54. Am I missing something, or does that seem completely bonkers?

 

4/24/13 3:34 PM
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Internettufguy - Fake research is fake. To even call it research is a stretch. It is your OPINION that the accounts are "fake." You provide no quantifiable evidence that proves they are fake. I lurk on Twitter and follow a random group of people; does that mean my account is fake? You are just an attention whore trying to drum up interest in your business, which is obviously fake since I have never had any interaction with it. Phone Post 3.0
You are a twitter bot reseller guy, you sold me a few hundred followers a while back, just come out and say it Phone Post
And you still haven't paid me! Now I am going to spam you with a bunch of fake porn star followers! Phone Post 3.0
4/24/13 5:34 PM
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FrateCart - And Roy nelson did the whole "Follow me on FB to get me down to 205 pounds" which ofc was a fat scam. And Im sure that lead to twitter followers also.. Would that be called "fake followers" ?

LOL@ Roy being a pump and dumper to get followers!

 

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4/24/13 5:40 PM
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Tyson86 - I have a very real Twitter account and it looks almost exactly like that supposedly "fake' Jama Fastic account. I have 0 followers and have never tweeted once. The reason why people often have a similar short list of people they follow is because Twitter gives you an original list of suggestion of people to follow, which are pretty much always celebrities.

Twitter makes you follow people when you sign up? If that's the case, having fake followers kinda makes sense. But can't you buy followers too? I'd like to know which athletes have done that:) Much jucier, IMO, cuz that someone intentionally trying to act all popular.

 

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4/24/13 5:45 PM
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Tyson86 - I have a very real Twitter account and it looks almost exactly like that supposedly "fake' Jama Fastic account. I have 0 followers and have never tweeted once. The reason why people often have a similar short list of people they follow is because Twitter gives you an original list of suggestion of people to follow, which are pretty much always celebrities.

Twitter makes you follow people when you sign up? If that's the case, having fake followers kinda makes sense. But can't you buy followers too? I'd like to know which athletes have done that:) Much jucier, IMO, cuz that someone intentionally trying to act all popular.

 

Cindy


Twitter doesn't make you follow people, it gives you a list of  similar people to who you already follow or who you have searched for.

4/24/13 5:57 PM
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KeyboardTherapy - 

Hey Jason, thanks for the reply.

Status People seems like an interesting tool, but I wish they were more transparent with their methodology.

 

I'm curious, what is the relevancy here of a unit of Klout? 

Given the parameters of this topic, Klout score seems fairly meaningless. It isn't representative of quantity or quality of one's Twitter network, otherwise Roy Nelson's claim to 7% "Good" followers out of a pool of 566,458 would merit him a lower score than Junior Dos Santos with 19% of 599,987. As Klout tells it, Mr. Nelson is the more influential of the two.

What's more, a poster in this thread purports to have a Klout score of 56, while Ingrained Media, a Marketing & Talent Management agency has 54. Am I missing something, or does that seem completely bonkers?

 


Both Klout and Status have separate algorithms to come up with the status. Klout gives more credit to a user that has integrated his or her account with Klout and uses Klot often. Kind of like a reward based system. The measurement for influence is far from an exact science. As an example The Situation from MTV has a ton of followers and was an organic Headrush customer. THey entered into a deal with him and he was essentially paid to tweet about the brand. His Tweets had way less value then Carwin's tweets. Yet The Situation was making more for doing less. He certainly did not move the needle like Carwin.

As for our own Klout score I think the old saying goes "You can tell a cobbler by his shoes", we are not focused enough on our own accounts, We negelt them for long periods of time, we have a very low reaction rate and at the same time we have less then 2% fake.
4/24/13 5:59 PM
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crossfire - Thanks for the answers , i do know why this is done and that there is a lot of fake accounts. It would be interesting to know the accuracy of your method.

When you came to the conclusion that 93% where fake users , that doesn't leave you a big margin of error if you know that 7% is legit , or am i wrong ? Phone Post 3.0

I do not think I said 93% fake, The UG News used that and possibly because our infographic was not infoaccurate. Who would of thought people would ignore the detailed spread sheet and the blog for colorful images. Now we know, and knowing is half the battle.
4/24/13 6:03 PM
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Tyson86 - I have a very real Twitter account and it looks almost exactly like that supposedly "fake' Jama Fastic account. I have 0 followers and have never tweeted once. The reason why people often have a similar short list of people they follow is because Twitter gives you an original list of suggestion of people to follow, which are pretty much always celebrities.

Twitter makes you follow people when you sign up? If that's the case, having fake followers kinda makes sense. But can't you buy followers too? I'd like to know which athletes have done that:) Much jucier, IMO, cuz that someone intentionally trying to act all popular.

 

Cindy


Cindy,

Yes you can buy them and they are cheap. The thing is you do not even have to know about it. So unless you had the payment trail there is no real way to know who paid and who did not. I could add tens thousands of followers for about $15.00 all I need is the account name in which I want to target. So if I wanted too I could send @DanaWhite a ton of fake follows. Twitter tries to wipe out the fake accounts but it is impossible to keep up with the spammers.
4/24/13 6:23 PM
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Tyson86 - I have a very real Twitter account and it looks almost exactly like that supposedly "fake' Jama Fastic account. I have 0 followers and have never tweeted once. The reason why people often have a similar short list of people they follow is because Twitter gives you an original list of suggestion of people to follow, which are pretty much always celebrities.

Twitter makes you follow people when you sign up? If that's the case, having fake followers kinda makes sense. But can't you buy followers too? I'd like to know which athletes have done that:) Much jucier, IMO, cuz that someone intentionally trying to act all popular.

 

Cindy


Twitter doesn't make you follow people, it gives you a list of  similar people to who you already follow or who you have searched for.


Can you sign up for an account w/o following anyone initially? Or will it not give you an account w/o picking folks to follow? I get frustrated even trying to read Twitter!

 

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4/24/13 6:26 PM
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Tyson86 - I have a very real Twitter account and it looks almost exactly like that supposedly "fake' Jama Fastic account. I have 0 followers and have never tweeted once. The reason why people often have a similar short list of people they follow is because Twitter gives you an original list of suggestion of people to follow, which are pretty much always celebrities.

Twitter makes you follow people when you sign up? If that's the case, having fake followers kinda makes sense. But can't you buy followers too? I'd like to know which athletes have done that:) Much jucier, IMO, cuz that someone intentionally trying to act all popular.

 

Cindy


Cindy,

Yes you can buy them and they are cheap. The thing is you do not even have to know about it. So unless you had the payment trail there is no real way to know who paid and who did not. I could add tens thousands of followers for about $15.00 all I need is the account name in which I want to target. So if I wanted too I could send @DanaWhite a ton of fake follows. Twitter tries to wipe out the fake accounts but it is impossible to keep up with the spammers.

That's so crazy. How long do you get to keep the followers you buy? Do you have to pay money on a regular basis or you lose them or something? Sorry, I'm a Tweetard!

 

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4/24/13 6:42 PM
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ive got 1,400 and about the most entertaining thing i provide for them is me arguing with my mates or posting about how people who are loud in public should be shot in the legs

wouldnt surprise me if 1398 were fake, one is my brother and the other is my mrs under a fake acct trying to see who i am messaging, ha!
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I would have to assume that Roy's "followers" have something to do with him saying that he would drop to 205 if he got x-number of followers by a certain date. Phone Post 3.0
4/24/13 6:53 PM
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superCalo -  Can you determine fake and clout avow of Twitter account. @superCalo thanks Phone Post

 

Pretty sure superCalo on the ug is at least a third bot on his mothers side

 

4/24/13 7:03 PM
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Tyson86 - I have a very real Twitter account and it looks almost exactly like that supposedly "fake' Jama Fastic account. I have 0 followers and have never tweeted once. The reason why people often have a similar short list of people they follow is because Twitter gives you an original list of suggestion of people to follow, which are pretty much always celebrities.

Twitter makes you follow people when you sign up? If that's the case, having fake followers kinda makes sense. But can't you buy followers too? I'd like to know which athletes have done that:) Much jucier, IMO, cuz that someone intentionally trying to act all popular.

 

Cindy


Twitter doesn't make you follow people, it gives you a list of  similar people to who you already follow or who you have searched for.


Can you sign up for an account w/o following anyone initially? Or will it not give you an account w/o picking folks to follow? I get frustrated even trying to read Twitter!

 

Cindy


When you make an account you have zero followers and zero people you are following, twitter doesn't make you follow anyone. 

4/24/13 7:10 PM
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I follow Roy and post a tweet once every 3 months. Usually while taking a dump.

Just to ensure I'm not fake. Phone Post 3.0
4/24/13 7:18 PM
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My Twitter account has no tweets, and I only follow about 50 celebrities and a few fighters.

Why the Fuck would anyone want to read what I say? Twitter should ONLY be for celebs.

These are real Twitter accounts, people using it how it should be. Nobody wants to hear what you ate for breakfast you average Joe. Go use Facebook if you wanna chat with your friends. Phone Post
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CindyO - 
Tyson86 - I have a very real Twitter account and it looks almost exactly like that supposedly "fake' Jama Fastic account. I have 0 followers and have never tweeted once. The reason why people often have a similar short list of people they follow is because Twitter gives you an original list of suggestion of people to follow, which are pretty much always celebrities.

Twitter makes you follow people when you sign up? If that's the case, having fake followers kinda makes sense. But can't you buy followers too? I'd like to know which athletes have done that:) Much jucier, IMO, cuz that someone intentionally trying to act all popular.

 

Cindy


Cindy,

Yes you can buy them and they are cheap. The thing is you do not even have to know about it. So unless you had the payment trail there is no real way to know who paid and who did not. I could add tens thousands of followers for about $15.00 all I need is the account name in which I want to target. So if I wanted too I could send @DanaWhite a ton of fake follows. Twitter tries to wipe out the fake accounts but it is impossible to keep up with the spammers.

That's so crazy. How long do you get to keep the followers you buy? Do you have to pay money on a regular basis or you lose them or something? Sorry, I'm a Tweetard!

 

Cindy


That's so crazy. How long do you get to keep the followers you buy? Do you have to pay money on a regular basis or you lose them or something? Sorry, I'm a Tweetard!



Cindy

-No it is a one time fee type of thing. There are a lot of service providers with lots of ratings. The better the ratings the better the better quality of followers or as they are usually advertised "Real Looking" followers. The cost range is all over the place, $5.00 for a few thousand seems to be the avg price and I have seen them as low as $5.00 for 45,000 follows. The bought follows can last forever as can the inactive. Twitter does make an effort to purge spam accounts. They recently removed about 5% of their followers in a single day based on an undisclosed criteria.

Can you sign up for an account w/o following anyone initially? Or will it not give you an account w/o picking folks to follow? I get frustrated even trying to read Twitter!

I do not think so, you have to pick a set amount of people to follow, they make suggestions (usually celebrities), a lot of people who like MMA might have Dana suggested based on his amount of followers. As you can see with our fake follower example account, they usually follow celebrities, have no followers and no tweets and long periods of not logging in.



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