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4/26/13 2:34 AM
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56sav - If Zuffa doesn't want to be criticized they shouldn't buy up rival organizations just to let them die, or have inter-organizational events IMO. They have a monopoly on the fight game. UFC needs a fighter's union.

They have a monopoly on the fight game.

 

The government disagrees:)

 

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4/26/13 3:22 AM
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56sav - If Zuffa doesn't want to be criticized they shouldn't buy up rival organizations just to let them die, or have inter-organizational events IMO. They have a monopoly on the fight game. UFC needs a fighter's union.

How is it any less of a monopoly if they just let the other orgs die?  The only difference seems to be how much red tape there would be before signing the best fighters from that org anyways, and also the fight library and ancillary staff.  When they buy the org, they usually end up taking lower end fighters they normally wouldn't hire.  By doing this, these fighters get to keep their jobs when they otherwise wouldn't and the UFC ends up sometimes paying for old grossly inflated paychecks.  This is all bad for the fighters?  Zuffa would come off better if they just let the orgs die then pick off the choice pieces like a vulture leaving the rest to rot?  Lol.

4/26/13 3:25 AM
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supersaiyan - kinda have to agree with ken on this
He is 100% right. Phone Post 3.0
4/26/13 8:29 AM
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awesomestprime - Ken is some body who believes he deserves the overinflated status given to him because of his fame.

Fighters should fight for a few years and retire? Really? Why not the guy who does exterminating or HVAC who's ruined his knees? Why not the guy who's roofed for years and destroyed his entire body? The contractors and business owners they work for also make loads of money.

People today think way to highly of famous people and especially entertainers. Ken thinks way to highly of himself. I've always found it absurd the way athletes and entertainers are looked at like they DESERVE to be millionaires. I believe it's just another thing the fans want to live vicariously through their favorite pop star, actor, or athlete.

Employees DESERVE fair market value. They are worth what someone is willing to pay them, not a penny more. Just like the rest of the world.

They are not special. They do not need special treatment. And they sure as hell don't all DESERVE to retire by 30 years old. If they can? Good for them. They've done well for themselves and have EARNED it.


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Cindy


Well in fairness, the HVAC dude didn't blow his knees out in three years for your entertainment. Some of the fighters Ken is talking about just might earn less than your HVAC guy. How about just paying them more while they're fighting and leave it up to them to retire or not?


Which fighters aren't getting paid what they should? How much are they getting paid? How much do they deserve to get paid (please justify your figures)? Thanks.

 

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4/26/13 9:54 AM
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56sav - If Zuffa doesn't want to be criticized they shouldn't buy up rival organizations just to let them die, or have inter-organizational events IMO. They have a monopoly on the fight game. UFC needs a fighter's union.

They have a monopoly on the fight game.

 

The government disagrees:)

 

Cindy


That must mean it can't be true. The government is always right.

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4/26/13 10:28 AM
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56sav - If Zuffa doesn't want to be criticized they shouldn't buy up rival organizations just to let them die, or have inter-organizational events IMO. They have a monopoly on the fight game. UFC needs a fighter's union.

They have a monopoly on the fight game.

 

The government disagrees:)

 

Cindy


That must mean it can't be true. The government is always right.

:)
Doesnt hurt the lobbying done by zuffa either. Phone Post 3.0
4/26/13 10:58 AM
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Othello - So a persistent undercard fighter in the UFC has 10 fights and he can retire for life? Seriously Shamrock?? I wonder how many NFL players making the league minimum can play a couple seasons then retire for life? Or MLB,NHL..... any professional sport for that matter.

IDK why people insist on making blanket statements when it comes to UFC pay and the people it effects.

the nfl min is around 400,000 and guys dont need to raise money for training camp.

the ufc had a girl on the main card and she is asking for donation for training camp.the ufc's income is more them most nfl teams


Comparing the NFL with the UFC is crazy talk.



lol save your comment for dana ,he said it.

4/26/13 11:04 AM
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Othello - So a persistent undercard fighter in the UFC has 10 fights and he can retire for life? Seriously Shamrock?? I wonder how many NFL players making the league minimum can play a couple seasons then retire for life? Or MLB,NHL..... any professional sport for that matter.

IDK why people insist on making blanket statements when it comes to UFC pay and the people it effects.
Isn't the league minimum still like six figures? Phone Post 3.0

500k a year min for NFL. 


Not possible for the UFC to do...that is just reality. They are not the NFL.

I keep seeing things like NHL, NFL, MLB...crap like that. The entry level UFC fighter is never going to make a 500K minimum but just for arguements sake lets take a look at something...

I believe the UFC currently has around 600 fighters on contract... You want to pay a min. of $500,000 per year to the bottom 50% so there is $150 million right there. Then say the top 40% make $800K a year. That is another $192 million per year. Since everyone believes the people near the top deserve Mayweather money, then say the top 10% make 20 million a fight which accounts for another 1.2 billion dollars for them..

Payroll for UFC fighters- $1,542,000,000
Now they have to pay medical which would be at least $18K per fighter/per year. ($10,800,000)
Then they are supposed to offer 401K/Retirement...how much? Lets say 8% of the wages. ($123,360,000)

You are talking nearly 1.7 Billion Dollars and it hasn't even scratched the surface. The UFC still has to pay for travel, promotion of all kinds (TV, Radio, Appearances, Posters, etc..), salary of all of the people that make this stuff possible on a day to day, rentals for all properties, venues, and many...many other expenses. Then on top of all of that they are supposed to drop the price of PPV's because people bitch because it is too much money.

So the UFC is anywhere from 400-500 million in PPV Revenue per year. People expect them to pay out 2-3 billion a year in expenses, and at the same time cut the PPV cost down. Does anyone else see a problem with this?

lol you go from 6 & 6 to 1/2 a million a year.dana compared the two ,so dont blame us.ufc pays about 15% from the figures they gave.all of the big 3 pay about 51% of the revenue to the players. no matter how you slice it,i would rather be on a reality tv show.oh wait they have some guys on a show and dont pay them shit.

4/26/13 12:37 PM
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MTomlinson - Series of bad points by Ken, who clearly doesn't understand capitalism.

anything's value, or a fighter's value, is worth ONLY and EXACTLY what someone else is willing to pay for it, not what Ken THINKS should be paid.

it's the Fertitta's business. They're not forcing anyone to sign any contract.


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4/26/13 1:10 PM
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Othello - So a persistent undercard fighter in the UFC has 10 fights and he can retire for life? Seriously Shamrock?? I wonder how many NFL players making the league minimum can play a couple seasons then retire for life? Or MLB,NHL..... any professional sport for that matter.

IDK why people insist on making blanket statements when it comes to UFC pay and the people it effects.
Isn't the league minimum still like six figures? Phone Post 3.0

500k a year min for NFL. 


Not possible for the UFC to do...that is just reality. They are not the NFL.

I keep seeing things like NHL, NFL, MLB...crap like that. The entry level UFC fighter is never going to make a 500K minimum but just for arguements sake lets take a look at something...

I believe the UFC currently has around 600 fighters on contract... You want to pay a min. of $500,000 per year to the bottom 50% so there is $150 million right there. Then say the top 40% make $800K a year. That is another $192 million per year. Since everyone believes the people near the top deserve Mayweather money, then say the top 10% make 20 million a fight which accounts for another 1.2 billion dollars for them..

Payroll for UFC fighters- $1,542,000,000
Now they have to pay medical which would be at least $18K per fighter/per year. ($10,800,000)
Then they are supposed to offer 401K/Retirement...how much? Lets say 8% of the wages. ($123,360,000)

You are talking nearly 1.7 Billion Dollars and it hasn't even scratched the surface. The UFC still has to pay for travel, promotion of all kinds (TV, Radio, Appearances, Posters, etc..), salary of all of the people that make this stuff possible on a day to day, rentals for all properties, venues, and many...many other expenses. Then on top of all of that they are supposed to drop the price of PPV's because people bitch because it is too much money.

So the UFC is anywhere from 400-500 million in PPV Revenue per year. People expect them to pay out 2-3 billion a year in expenses, and at the same time cut the PPV cost down. Does anyone else see a problem with this?

lol you go from 6 & 6 to 1/2 a million a year.dana compared the two ,so dont blame us.ufc pays about 15% from the figures they gave.all of the big 3 pay about 51% of the revenue to the players. no matter how you slice it,i would rather be on a reality tv show.oh wait they have some guys on a show and dont pay them shit.


The UFC is the NFL of MMA... They are the biggest, and best overall MMA promotion, so they are the NFL of MMA. However, they are not the NFL so the pay is obviously not going to be the same. The UFC actually has to pay all of their own costs too. Perhaps someday when your tax dollars build stadiums for the UFC like they do for the NFL then fighter pay could go up a bit. You should actually read that report that was posted on the last page. The UFC is easily paying out above and beyond the 15% that you are assuming.

The problem is that everyone wants to bitch about something they really know nothing about. Nobody really knows what the fighters are being paid, only the guarantee that you see. Nobody knows all of the expenses and operating costs to run the UFC either. It is really easy to sit back and say they do not pay enough but not a single person can say what they should be paying the fighters, and actually do the math to where it is even feasible based on what limited information is available. Then to top everything off people give out links like PEZ so that people can watch UFC PPV's for free because of constant excuses from fighter pay, to not liking the event.

The bottom line is that in the eyes of fans such as many of them on the UG- The UFC will never win. It is a lose/lose situation because the public will never be satisfied. News Flash- Nobody in the UFC gives two shits about what the UG wants the fighters to make. However they do care about what the fighters want to make and most fighters with the UFC are happy to be there. Seems the only time you hear of any fighter bitching about pay is when they over value themselves such as Tito Ortiz, Ken Shamrock, and a few others... Typically these are fighters trying to hold on to what they once were instead of where they currently are.
4/26/13 1:15 PM
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MTomlinson - Series of bad points by Ken, who clearly doesn't understand capitalism.

anything's value, or a fighter's value, is worth ONLY and EXACTLY what someone else is willing to pay for it, not what Ken THINKS should be paid.

it's the Fertitta's business. They're not forcing anyone to sign any contract.

Correct. Phone Post 3.0
This. Very simple concept that people with no business / common sense fail to grasp. Ignorance / jealousy breads hate. Phone Post
4/26/13 1:18 PM
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Bare minimum for a 3 fight contract should be 100k a year for any fighter contracted. Enough to not be rich, live comferbly, and make enough to be upper middle class. Liz camourche got paid what? like 7k? how's she going to live off of that? by eating ramen noddle soup? It's why dana is always doing these pr stunts, helping people out in time of need, helping out mark coleman, so fans can overlook the chump change they give fighters.


Fighter pay has been an issue since the birth of the sport, and will continue to be in the coming years. Dana complains about costs of advertising, paying his staff etc etc, but boxing promoters advertise the same way, and their fighters still get paid millions.


GSP is the biggest draw in the sport and makes chump change.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/georges-stpierre-5-million-ufc-fight/

According to this website, he makes 1.5 million a fight? Fuck all other money coming in outside of a zuffa check, no one brings this shit up ever besides dana, you don't hear Delahoya or bob arum talk about their fighters sponsorship deals. It's a cheap cowardly cop out to bring that up, also its robbery that zuffa takes sponsorship cuts from its fighters, unethical practices that should be investigated.
4/26/13 1:20 PM
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If you really think that Liz only made 7K for that fight then you don't even belong to be a part of the conversation...
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JerodR - If you really think that Liz only made 7K for that fight then you don't even belong to be a part of the conversation...
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JerodR - If you really think that Liz only made 7K for that fight then you don't even belong to be a part of the conversation...
I dont give a shit about backroom crap, that is another shady practice Phone Post

Shady or not at the end of the day Liz, much like a waitress, knows she's taking home more than what's on paper. That's the only reason she took the job.

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Othello - So a persistent undercard fighter in the UFC has 10 fights and he can retire for life? Seriously Shamrock?? I wonder how many NFL players making the league minimum can play a couple seasons then retire for life? Or MLB,NHL..... any professional sport for that matter.

IDK why people insist on making blanket statements when it comes to UFC pay and the people it effects.
Isn't the league minimum still like six figures? Phone Post 3.0

500k a year min for NFL. 


Not possible for the UFC to do...that is just reality. They are not the NFL.

I keep seeing things like NHL, NFL, MLB...crap like that. The entry level UFC fighter is never going to make a 500K minimum but just for arguements sake lets take a look at something...

I believe the UFC currently has around 600 fighters on contract... You want to pay a min. of $500,000 per year to the bottom 50% so there is $150 million right there. Then say the top 40% make $800K a year. That is another $192 million per year. Since everyone believes the people near the top deserve Mayweather money, then say the top 10% make 20 million a fight which accounts for another 1.2 billion dollars for them..

Payroll for UFC fighters- $1,542,000,000
Now they have to pay medical which would be at least $18K per fighter/per year. ($10,800,000)
Then they are supposed to offer 401K/Retirement...how much? Lets say 8% of the wages. ($123,360,000)

You are talking nearly 1.7 Billion Dollars and it hasn't even scratched the surface. The UFC still has to pay for travel, promotion of all kinds (TV, Radio, Appearances, Posters, etc..), salary of all of the people that make this stuff possible on a day to day, rentals for all properties, venues, and many...many other expenses. Then on top of all of that they are supposed to drop the price of PPV's because people bitch because it is too much money.

So the UFC is anywhere from 400-500 million in PPV Revenue per year. People expect them to pay out 2-3 billion a year in expenses, and at the same time cut the PPV cost down. Does anyone else see a problem with this?

lol you go from 6 & 6 to 1/2 a million a year.dana compared the two ,so dont blame us.ufc pays about 15% from the figures they gave.all of the big 3 pay about 51% of the revenue to the players. no matter how you slice it,i would rather be on a reality tv show.oh wait they have some guys on a show and dont pay them shit.


The UFC is the NFL of MMA... They are the biggest, and best overall MMA promotion, so they are the NFL of MMA. However, they are not the NFL so the pay is obviously not going to be the same. The UFC actually has to pay all of their own costs too. Perhaps someday when your tax dollars build stadiums for the UFC like they do for the NFL then fighter pay could go up a bit. You should actually read that report that was posted on the last page. The UFC is easily paying out above and beyond the 15% that you are assuming.

The problem is that everyone wants to bitch about something they really know nothing about. Nobody really knows what the fighters are being paid, only the guarantee that you see. Nobody knows all of the expenses and operating costs to run the UFC either. It is really easy to sit back and say they do not pay enough but not a single person can say what they should be paying the fighters, and actually do the math to where it is even feasible based on what limited information is available. Then to top everything off people give out links like PEZ so that people can watch UFC PPV's for free because of constant excuses from fighter pay, to not liking the event.

The bottom line is that in the eyes of fans such as many of them on the UG- The UFC will never win. It is a lose/lose situation because the public will never be satisfied. News Flash- Nobody in the UFC gives two shits about what the UG wants the fighters to make. However they do care about what the fighters want to make and most fighters with the UFC are happy to be there. Seems the only time you hear of any fighter bitching about pay is when they over value themselves such as Tito Ortiz, Ken Shamrock, and a few others... Typically these are fighters trying to hold on to what they once were instead of where they currently are.

then tell me what it cost to rent the arena it aint much,lorenzo said the ufc paid 250 million out to fighter over the last 10 yrs. so they paid out 25 mill a yr to the fighter and grossed 300 mill a year .

never said the fighters should be paid nfl money,the point is the average nfl team gross is around the same as the ufc,maybe less.so when ppl like yourself defend them and make statement like the fighter are paid well for the income they generate, im just sayn your wrong.the ufc underpays and thats the fighters fault,not the ufc.

other then the fact they bought out any org that was up and coming that gave a fighter a chance to change the pay structure.hendo went on to stikeforce and the ufc bought them out ,why? because hendo pissed them off.the fighter need a curt flood to step up

 

 

 

 

 

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JerodR - If you really think that Liz only made 7K for that fight then you don't even belong to be a part of the conversation...


I dont give a shit about backroom crap, that is another shady practice Phone Post



Shady to who? You? Nobody gives a crap what you think. The fighters are given bonus's for doing a great job. Yeah, how shady is that to pay a fighter above and beyond the original contract they signed up for! I can't believe they actually give people MORE MONEY than they agreed to... The UFC should be ashamed.

While we are shaming people lets examine your "Boxers Make Millions" comments, and that an entry level UFC fighter should make $100,000 per year. Well, we don't know how much they actually bring home because of the bonuses, but since you only want to focus on the guaranteed rate lets take a look at how great boxing is.

Taken from 2011-


January 7 - ESPN 2 Friday Night Fights

Mauricio Herrera ($8,500) UD-12 Ruslan Provodnikov ($10,000)
Demetrius Andrade ($8,000) UD-8 Albert Herrera ($6,500)
Lonnie Smith ($800) KO-1 Jose Gomez ($1,800)
Harry Namauu ($2,000) UD-6 Manuel Otero ($1,500)
Richard Contreras ($1,200) KO-1 Juan Tepoz ($1,200)
Oscar Andrade ($1,200) UD-4 Deth'Marcus Hall ($1,200)
Jesus Gutierrez ($1,200) NC Franky Martinez ($1,200)

Total Payouts: $46,300


January 22 - Top Rank Live on Fox Sports Net

Diego Magdaleno ($8,500) TKO-5 Marcos Leonardo Jimenez ($6,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) TKO-4 Eduardo Arcos ($6,000)
Jose Benavidez ($4,000) UD-6 Fernando Rodriguez ($3,000)
Julio Cesar Dos Santos ($2,500) RTD-5 Valente Tinajero ($2,500)
Abraham Han ($2,000) TKO-2 Orphius Waite ($3,000)
Anthony Lenk ($3,000) UD-6 Tyler Pogline ($2,000)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-3 Cain Garcia ($1,500)

Total Payout: $54,000


February 19 - HBO World Championship Boxing

Nonito Donaire ($350,000) TKO-2 Fernando Montiel ($250,000)
Mike Jones ($75,000) UD-12 Jesus Soto Karass ($75,000)
Mark Jason Melligen ($10,000) UD-10 Gabriel Martinez ($6,000)
Mickey Bey Jr. ($8,000) MD-8 Jose Hernandez ($6,000)
Mike Alvarado ($20,000) RTD-4 Dean Harrison ($8,000)
Yordenis Ugas ($3,000) UD-6 Carlos Musquez ($2,500)
Rodrigo Garcia ($5,000) UD-4 Gerald Jordan ($3,500)
Ignacio Garcia ($2,200) MD-4 Armando Dorantes ($2,800)

Total Payout: $827,000


February 26 - Showtime Championship Boxing

Brandon Rios ($125,000) TKO-10 Miguel Acosta ($125,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) UD-8 Gilberto Sanchez Leon ($6,750)
Anthony Lenk ($3,500) TKO-6 Terry Buterbaugh ($2,500)
Andy Ruiz Jr. ($3,000) UD-6 Alvaro Morales ($2,500)
Mike Lee ($5,000) TKO-1 Pablo Gomez ($1,500)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-1 Jamie Gutierrez ($1,500)
Hiromitsu Miura ($600) TKO-1 Ramiro Bueno Jr. ($1,500)
Aaron Garcia ($5,000) MD-4 Alejandro Lopez ($4,000)

Total Payout: $297,350


March 12 - Showtime PPV

Miguel Cotto ($1,000,000) TKO-12 Ricardo Mayorga ($50,000)
Miguel Vazquez ($150,000) UD-12 Leonardo Zappavigna ($65,000)
Pawel Wolak ($75,000) RTD-6 Yuri Foreman ($100,000)
Matt Korobov ($10,000) TKO-1 Michael Walker ($7,000)
Juan Gonzalez ($3,500) TKO-1 Jeremy McLaurin ($4,500)
Eric Molina ($8,000) TKO-6 Joseph Rabotte ($4,000)
Jesus Rojas ($3,000) UD-6 Isaac Hidalgo ($3,000)
Tommy Zbikowski ($50,000) TKO-1 Richard Bryant ($1,500)

Total Payout: $1,534,500


Now a sample UFC card from the same time, and it doesn't include any PPV cuts, or "Shady" locker room bonuses above and beyond the agreed pay...

February 5 - UFC 126 PPV

Anderson Silva: $200,000 (includes no win bonus) def. Vitor Belfort: $275,000
Forrest Griffin: $275,000 ($150,000 win bonus) def. Rich Franklin: $75,000
Jon Jones: $140,000 ($70,000 win bonus) def. Ryan Bader: $20,000
Jake Ellenberger: $32,000 ($16,000 win bonus) def. Carlos Eduardo Rocha: $8,000
Miguel Torres: $56,000 ($28,000 win bonus) def. Antonio Banuelos: $9,000
Donald Cerrone: $36,000 ($18,000 win bonus) def. Paul Kelly: $19,000
Chad Mendes: $19,000 ($9,500 win bonus) def. Michihiro Omigawa: $8,000
Demetrious Johnson: $10,000 ($5,000 win bonus) def. Norifumi Yamamoto: $15,000
Paul Taylor: $36,000 ($18,000 win bonus) def. Gabe Ruediger: $8,000
Kyle Kingsbury: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus) def. Ricardo Romero: $10,000
Mike Pierce: $28,000 ($14,000 win bonus) def. Kenny Robertson: $6,000

Total Payout: $1,305,000 + 300,000 reported bonuses = $1,605,000

*****I agree, maybe UFC should be alot more like boxing. They would save alot of money! People take a couple of top guys out of boxing and think everyone makes that kind of money but that is far from reality. If anything the UFC is more balanced. They pay the upper guys less so that they can pay the lower guys more. People will always want more money as in any profession, however the UFC is FAR from taking advantange of its fighters.*****
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I think Jerod just delivered a knock-out.
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You're comparing friday night fights, to a UFC PPV? LOL! get fucking real, compare ppv's to ppv's, not tv fights. My friend's 4-1 in boxing, and he got offered a fight on espn friday night fights, but didn't take it because the guy was too experienced. So a lot of green boxers fight on those cards.


Anderson silva makes 200k LOL!!!!!!!! the fucking MMA goat makes 200k.........



So compare anderson silvas wages, or gsp's to mayweather or pacqaio........pacqaio is the second biggest draw. Compare ppv's those fighters headline.


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Viet Rounder - I think Jerod just delivered a knock-out.

Of himself during a takedown. KingInFishnetsBottomingBetas is correct. If you are going to compare numbers, at least source the numbers equivalently.
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Purses: Donaire $1.32M, Rigondeaux $750k


http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/4/13/4220756/donaire-vs-rigondeaux-purses-big-paydays-hbo-main-event

Purses: Pacquiao $25 million, Marquez $3 million

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/12/5/3733092/pacquiao-vs-marquez-iv-purses-manny-25-30-million-hbo-boxing-news




Berto vs Guerrero: Seven-figure purses for both main event fighters

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/11/23/3683346/berto-vs-guerrero-seven-figure-purses-million-career-high-hbo-boxing-news




Chavez Jr vs Martinez Sells 475,000 on PPV
So he pulls 475k, and makes 3 million. When does a fucking UFC fight card even spend 3 million in fighter pay?



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KingInFishnetsBottomingBetas - Purses: Donaire $1.32M, Rigondeaux $750k


http://www.badlefthook.com/2013/4/13/4220756/donaire-vs-rigondeaux-purses-big-paydays-hbo-main-event

Purses: Pacquiao $25 million, Marquez $3 million

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/12/5/3733092/pacquiao-vs-marquez-iv-purses-manny-25-30-million-hbo-boxing-news




Berto vs Guerrero: Seven-figure purses for both main event fighters

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/11/23/3683346/berto-vs-guerrero-seven-figure-purses-million-career-high-hbo-boxing-news




Chavez Jr vs Martinez Sells 475,000 on PPV
So he pulls 475k, and makes 3 million. When does a fucking UFC fight card even spend 3 million in fighter pay?




So you don't think Anderson Silva, GSP, Overeem, Jones, and many other big name fighters make over 1 million per fight? Hell, Lesnar and Overeem both made 3-4 million or more each from their fight. Overeem also had a 1 million dollar signing bonus.

Once again you are talking about "top" boxers, and "top" UFC fighters DO make in the millions after the PPV cuts, and bonuses. I also said that top UFC fighters do not make as much as top boxers, however the arguement seems to be that the lower UFC fighters do not make enough money to which I clearly showed that your lower to average UFC fighter makes MORE than you lower to average boxer.
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UNIONIZE MOTHERFUCKER!!!

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KingInFishnetsBottomingBetas - You're comparing friday night fights, to a UFC PPV? LOL! get fucking real, compare ppv's to ppv's, not tv fights. My friend's 4-1 in boxing, and he got offered a fight on espn friday night fights, but didn't take it because the guy was too experienced. So a lot of green boxers fight on those cards.


Anderson silva makes 200k LOL!!!!!!!! the fucking MMA goat makes 200k.........



So compare anderson silvas wages, or gsp's to mayweather or pacqaio........pacqaio is the second biggest draw. Compare ppv's those fighters headline.



Did you miss the March 12 Showtime PPV numbers on that list?...

Anderson Silva's contract has him making 200K a fight, however what about the PPV cut? What about the other bonus that you do not see? Once again...if you honestly think Anderson Silva only makes 200K a fight then I have a bridge for sale I'm sure you would love.

Once again, I never said TOP UFC fighters make more than TOP boxers. However, entry to mid level UFC fighters are paid more than entry to mid level Boxers. The UFC is on a more balanced pay scale. Should the fighters make more? Absolutely I always think the fighters should make more. However, I am just trying to show that the UFC is not as one sided in pay as many would like to believe.
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Othello - So a persistent undercard fighter in the UFC has 10 fights and he can retire for life? Seriously Shamrock?? I wonder how many NFL players making the league minimum can play a couple seasons then retire for life? Or MLB,NHL..... any professional sport for that matter.

IDK why people insist on making blanket statements when it comes to UFC pay and the people it effects.
Isn't the league minimum still like six figures? Phone Post 3.0

500k a year min for NFL. 


Not possible for the UFC to do...that is just reality. They are not the NFL.

I keep seeing things like NHL, NFL, MLB...crap like that. The entry level UFC fighter is never going to make a 500K minimum but just for arguements sake lets take a look at something...

I believe the UFC currently has around 600 fighters on contract... You want to pay a min. of $500,000 per year to the bottom 50% so there is $150 million right there. Then say the top 40% make $800K a year. That is another $192 million per year. Since everyone believes the people near the top deserve Mayweather money, then say the top 10% make 20 million a fight which accounts for another 1.2 billion dollars for them..

Payroll for UFC fighters- $1,542,000,000
Now they have to pay medical which would be at least $18K per fighter/per year. ($10,800,000)
Then they are supposed to offer 401K/Retirement...how much? Lets say 8% of the wages. ($123,360,000)

You are talking nearly 1.7 Billion Dollars and it hasn't even scratched the surface. The UFC still has to pay for travel, promotion of all kinds (TV, Radio, Appearances, Posters, etc..), salary of all of the people that make this stuff possible on a day to day, rentals for all properties, venues, and many...many other expenses. Then on top of all of that they are supposed to drop the price of PPV's because people bitch because it is too much money.

So the UFC is anywhere from 400-500 million in PPV Revenue per year. People expect them to pay out 2-3 billion a year in expenses, and at the same time cut the PPV cost down. Does anyone else see a problem with this?

lol you go from 6 & 6 to 1/2 a million a year.dana compared the two ,so dont blame us.ufc pays about 15% from the figures they gave.all of the big 3 pay about 51% of the revenue to the players. no matter how you slice it,i would rather be on a reality tv show.oh wait they have some guys on a show and dont pay them shit.

This man gets it. Why the dude bothered to do calculations on paying fighters a minimum of $500k when the entry level is $6K, or just over 1% of that is beyond me. Use retarded numbers for your calculations and you'll get a retarded result. Phone Post 3.0
Because nfl league min is 500k, like i was saying. Phone Post 3.0

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