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5/3/13 12:11 AM
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im listening to JRE with redban before the shaffir/schumer podcase and joe rips lloyd a new one. I'd bet money that lloyd made some threats.
5/3/13 12:24 AM
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In case this hasn't yet been mentioned: Lloyd Irvin is a rape-y piece of shit.
5/3/13 12:36 AM
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I guess Lloyd is brilliant at marketing though...

 

I guess...


Heh.

I think shit like this just reminds us of how the BJJ world is still amateur night. A guy copies marketing techniques from the 80's and the concept of drilling from . . . well, probably antiquity and he's a genius.
5/3/13 12:49 AM
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Anyone willing to bet that at least one of the people outraged in this thread has sexually assaulted someone?

Here is the problem with this kind of witch hunt.

All the moral outrage and group think going on, which just escalates everything to hysteric absurd levels, makes it very difficult for people to:

A) Take shit seriously
B) Actually see the forest through the trees.

There is so much craziness involved in these threads, that sometimes you have to wonder who is more fucked up. An alleged rapist or attempted rapist, or the crazy fucks who devote countless hours on an interwebz forum leading a crusade against the guy.

Either way, I figure both sides are seriously damaged.

5/3/13 12:51 AM
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If you "have to wonder" whether it's more fucked up to try and rape someone, or to be angry about said rape on an internet forum, then you need to seriously reevaluate your outlook on life.
5/3/13 12:53 AM
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Tat2tillidie - His last podcast he spent 25 minute or so making fun of it an all kind of shit ... Now he back pedals ?!?!?!? Phone Post 3.0

Yea WTF is up with that?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the first time he's ever done that on the podcast? I can't wait to hear him explain this... doesn't make him look very good IMO
5/3/13 12:54 AM
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5/3/13 1:09 AM
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UGCTT_Fillthy - 

Probably got some 'pressure' from TLI 'attorneys' over the previous comment. 

Had to walk it back and make nice.  

 

Notice that Lloyd doesn't care about the rape-culture stories, (he thinks it'll blow over in a year or two), but he vigorously attacks anyone who hints that his seminars are scams.  Lloyd's money comes from the seminars and 'Real Playa Copyright Throwdown' events, the school is just what keeps his scam running in the BJJ market.

Joe - want to know know how Lloyd 'makes money for a lot of people'?  By teaching them how to rip off a lot more people.  It's a pyramid scheme of fucking people over.  But I guess it's OK, as long as your pals are making a lot of money, and only strangers get screwed over...right?

 

Correct^ 

 

This is true fact that these "real playa seminars" are not illegal, but they are immoral and unethical.  What was the "real playa seminar" you ask?  Well, it was how to copyright.  Copyright anything.  We're not talking original ideas, this is about anybody's idea and you make the move to copyright it first.  Now the general public that sees it thinks, wow, well that's still a long shot to nail down a copyright on something that would succeed.  Incorrect.  When I said anything, it means anything.  A website could have a non-copyrighted video embeded on their site and they receive Google dough for hits.  Seminar student copyrights the video and then comes after the website owner for money because they have a copyright on the video.  It's as simple as that.  Images. Images are the biggest shakedown copyright tools there are.    

In my book, it's stealing, not being an entrepenuer.  I point to that being my opinion, though a reasoble person would see this as being a complete scam, as Joe Rogan did before he had an obscure change of hearts?  That was weird wasn't it? Joe, you can do some reading on this as well if you choose to gather all the information to make an informed decision.  

If you're unaware of how this scam is run, just check out a short write up from this dude that does a blog on scams:

http://www.scamdex.com/ScamBlog/2012/04/alleged-image-copyright-theft-scam-is-a-money-spinner/

He's really moved up a level in scumbagness seminars. Before, he had stopped at phone card scams.  

5/3/13 1:11 AM
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UGCTT_Fillthy - 

Probably got some 'pressure' from TLI 'attorneys' over the previous comment. 

Had to walk it back and make nice.  

 

Notice that Lloyd doesn't care about the rape-culture stories, (he thinks it'll blow over in a year or two), but he vigorously attacks anyone who hints that his seminars are scams.  Lloyd's money comes from the seminars and 'Real Playa Copyright Throwdown' events, the school is just what keeps his scam running in the BJJ market.

Joe - want to know know how Lloyd 'makes money for a lot of people'?  By teaching them how to rip off a lot more people.  It's a pyramid scheme of fucking people over.  But I guess it's OK, as long as your pals are making a lot of money, and only strangers get screwed over...right?


DSM-IV-TR
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM IV-TR), defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;

2. deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;

3. impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;

4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;

5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;.

6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;

7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

B) The individual is at least age 18 years.
C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

There are a lot of these people.

There's some interesting stuff in the current Psychology Today (which I usually don't read).
5/3/13 1:21 AM
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Osbot - Anyone willing to bet that at least one of the people outraged in this thread has sexually assaulted someone?

Here is the problem with this kind of witch hunt.

All the moral outrage and group think going on, which just escalates everything to hysteric absurd levels, makes it very difficult for people to:

A) Take shit seriously
B) Actually see the forest through the trees.

There is so much craziness involved in these threads, that sometimes you have to wonder who is more fucked up. An alleged rapist or attempted rapist, or the crazy fucks who devote countless hours on an interwebz forum leading a crusade against the guy.

Either way, I figure both sides are seriously damaged.


I'd be willing to bet everything no one outraged in this thread has sexually assaulted someone you cuntface.

Someone outraged by rape is equal to someone who rapes? You are really fucking dumb, no really, like really fucking dumb.

You just outed yourself as someone close to Lloyd, a moron, or most likely both

5/3/13 1:34 AM
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Kick Boxe - 
Osbot - Anyone willing to bet that at least one of the people outraged in this thread has sexually assaulted someone?

Here is the problem with this kind of witch hunt.

All the moral outrage and group think going on, which just escalates everything to hysteric absurd levels, makes it very difficult for people to:

A) Take shit seriously
B) Actually see the forest through the trees.

There is so much craziness involved in these threads, that sometimes you have to wonder who is more fucked up. An alleged rapist or attempted rapist, or the crazy fucks who devote countless hours on an interwebz forum leading a crusade against the guy.

Either way, I figure both sides are seriously damaged.


I'd be willing to bet everything no one outraged in this thread has sexually assaulted someone you cuntface.

Someone outraged by rape is equal to someone who rapes? You are really fucking dumb, no really, like really fucking dumb.

You just outed yourself as someone close to Lloyd, a moron, or most likely both


Its just one of lloyd's "internet assassins" (lol). False equivalence, misdirection etc etc.

The usual team rape playbook. Its so obvious now, its barely worth responding to unless its to ridicule how pathetic it is.
5/3/13 1:45 AM
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JasonGV's on point.  They're not even good at it.  The internet assasins'/reverse trolls, they're just too obvious.  Yeah, we're outraged because one of us has sexually assaulted somebody!  Sweet spin brah!  The one's that were coming straight out and saying over the top stuff against Lloyd were getting booted quickly.  

lol, it is quite possible that some are morans, but KickBoxe, you don't have to lower yourself to a battle with one, though I understand your annoyance with it.  

5/3/13 2:26 AM
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5/3/13 2:52 AM
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should it be illegal for Lloyd to have Viagra?  Discuss

5/3/13 3:40 AM
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BREAKING NEWS, I discovered the deep connection between Joe and Lloyd, and why Joe has been so apprehensive to discuss this debacle

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5/3/13 4:28 AM
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Real Playa Alpha Brain Throwdown Phone Post 3.0
5/3/13 4:58 AM
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should it be illegal for Lloyd to have Viagra?  Discuss


lol

5/3/13 5:05 AM
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Blame it on the weed.

5/3/13 6:05 AM
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I read very little about the Lloyd Irvin stuff. I imagine Joe has, but all he said was that he didn't know the full story. He wanted to point out how insulting to people the lame marketing is. Then he mentioned it again after he apparently got a phonecall, discussing Lloyd Irvin's point of view on the matter. Which he said was insulting to people. Am I missing something here? I think it would be a different story if he said they were good friends or something, but he just pointed out that he had nothing against Llyod Irvin personally by saying their interactions have always been pleasant. Again I really don't know much about LI other than he probably tried to rape someone in 1989 and he's a successful scumbag marketer so if I'm out of school here, apologies. But from what I can see this is a storm in a tea cup.
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5/3/13 6:47 AM
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Joe has a great BS meter but fails to really call something if it ruffles feathers, IMO.


I don't think a conspiracy theory believing, pseudoscience pushing goof is capable of detecting bullshit when he promotes it on an almost daily basis.
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5/3/13 7:02 AM
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I miss long pants souwer - 
Perfer Et Obdura -
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Joe has a great BS meter but fails to really call something if it ruffles feathers, IMO.


I don't think a conspiracy theory believing, pseudoscience pushing goof is capable of detecting bullshit when he promotes it on an almost daily basis.
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Ouch:)
5/3/13 7:18 AM
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charliedelta1000 - I read very little about the Lloyd Irvin stuff. I imagine Joe has, but all he said was that he didn't know the full story. He wanted to point out how insulting to people the lame marketing is. Then he mentioned it again after he apparently got a phonecall, discussing Lloyd Irvin's point of view on the matter. Which he said was insulting to people. Am I missing something here? I think it would be a different story if he said they were good friends or something, but he just pointed out that he had nothing against Llyod Irvin personally by saying their interactions have always been pleasant. Again I really don't know much about LI other than he probably tried to rape someone in 1989 and he's a successful scumbag marketer so if I'm out of school here, apologies. But from what I can see this is a storm in a tea cup.

http://www.lloydirvinrapetruth.com/
5/3/13 7:23 AM
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I dont see the fuzz.
5/3/13 8:14 AM
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malryan - Has lloyd been convicted or even charged on the basis of any of these allegations? I heard Eddie bravo had been recommending Lloyd recently and now joe is saying positive things, I think I'll take their word for it over a bunch of nameless guys online unless any real evidence is produced... Phone Post 3.0
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