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5/8/13 12:48 AM
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Sex sells. With western society the way it is today, I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently. It will take decades to reverse the social engineering the different forms of media has actively engaged in.

It's thousands of years of human evolution, not a few decades of media. Men shouldn't be expected not to notice (or mention) that a near naked woman is attractive, we just should be respectful about it. Phone Post 3.0
5/8/13 1:11 AM
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Mozkonoh - "Fan sexism sucks!"

"Ooh, look how good my ass looks in these panties. Oh my, does this push-up bra makes my boobs look too big? Here, let me stick my ass out for the cameras at the weight-ins."

"God, why do these men view me as a sex object? I want them to respect me for my fighting skills."
You have a good point. It's a double edged sword. The bottom line is, in this day and age, beautiful fighters are getting better opportunities. Phone Post

They're kind of giving people what they want, sadly.  I think most dudes think 'well if I'm going to watch 2 people fighting who look like men, I might as well just watch men because they're stronger.'

Personally, I'm a fan of yours.  I like watching you fight, I read your blog on occassion and I happen to think you're a good looking lady.  Hope that doesn't sound creepy, lol.

 

I hope you get on TUF and do well.  The more technicians like you the UFC has on its female roster the more fans will learn that wmma is a bit more than just ring card girls wearing gloves.

5/8/13 1:12 AM
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dipsheet - Then go teach school, sell real estate, deliver packages...anything where your physicality is incidental, rather than integral, to your marketability.
Have you seen high dollar real estate agents? Bimbos in their mid / late 20's. Only hot people can make 2% of a $20 million NY penthouse sale for opening a door and filling out a 3 page HUD form.

One of the most overpaid professions in existence... Yes, there are exceptions, but $400,000 on one sale just to open a door and comment on some nice floors, cabinets, etc - gtfo...

(apologies for the tangent) Phone Post
5/8/13 1:31 AM
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TBH, There's absolutely no way anyone can convince me that cat didn't know what the score was when they filmed that.

How can a fighter be so naive as to think those types of stretches would be viewed in any other way regardless of how they were filmed.

I call bullshit. Phone Post
5/8/13 1:31 AM
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Yeah... It's not like Ryan Gosling movies sell on the back of his looks and abs or anything.

5/8/13 2:41 AM
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Sex sells. With western society the way it is today, I'm not sure why anyone would expect differently. It will take decades to reverse the social engineering the different forms of media has actively engaged in.

It's thousands of years of human evolution, not a few decades of media. Men shouldn't be expected not to notice (or mention) that a near naked woman is attractive, we just should be respectful about it. Phone Post 3.0

Now you're hitting the nail firmly. I'm not really talking about the laws of attraction, I'm talking about the level of public sleaze the media has pushed into the "Acceptable" category. Men have been programmed to completely objectify women, while women have been programmed to be "independant women...but make sure you're sexy while doing it!" - there's double talk occurring in the message they're sending, and it's for a reason.

5/8/13 3:23 AM
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Wah wah wah Phone Post 3.0
5/8/13 11:36 AM
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Mark Hunt needs to release a video consisting of him wearing white briefs and stretching his hamstrings.

Just to keep things fair.

Like the Title 9 of stretching videos. Phone Post
5/8/13 12:23 PM
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Oh look, a woman is complaining about being judged by her looks. Alert the press!
5/8/13 12:26 PM
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Mozkonoh - "Fan sexism sucks!"

"Ooh, look how good my ass looks in these panties. Oh my, does this push-up bra makes my boobs look too big? Here, let me stick my ass out for the cameras at the weight-ins."

"God, why do these men view me as a sex object? I want them to respect me for my fighting skills."

I got into this argument earlier this morning regarding my comments on Rousey doing another nude photo shoot (http://mapicatmma.blogspot.ca/2013/05/the-face-of-womens-mma-ronda-rousey.html)
The problem is exactly what you say... there are many female fighters who want nothing to do with using sex appeal to publicize themselves or further their careers. And then there are women like Ronda Rousey who use it for all it's worth, and they ruin it for the sport.
In my opinion, female fighters need to stop doing shit like that - nude or racy photo shoots, controversial interviews, etc., or anything else damaging to their image as serious athletes - if they ever want to be seen as equal to men's MMA.
Female fighters will never be taken seriously if they continue to sexualize themselves or the sport.

Meh

The stuff Ronda is doing is no different than the stuff male athletes do. The ESPN the magazine photo shoot she did features mostly male athletes.

She's not doing cheesecake boudoir nudes. Her nudes have been more like what you would see in an art class where they are studying/sketching/painting the human form, not the sleazy softcore porno shots that some WMMA fighters seem to prefer.
5/8/13 12:51 PM
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Meh...for decades I've known women who watch football just because they like the way a QB's ass looks in tight pants.

We are biological creatures. To deny the primal desires of that biology is to deny ourselves.

Humans gonna' human.
5/8/13 1:21 PM
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Lasko - Oh look, a woman is complaining about being judged by her looks. Alert the press!

lol, this was the first thing i thought.

5/8/13 1:39 PM
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Cat will be the fighter to get out of the 1st with Ronda and I think will push Ronda. My head says Ronda is going to win, but I think Ronda will struggle a bit more than she is use to with Cat.

I think the way girls are looked at in MMA is because yes, there are some very pretty girls in the MMA world. But also because it is so new, and different to the way things have been done ever since that first fight in the UFC. Give it time, and it will all look "regular" in no time.
5/8/13 2:36 PM
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It's like Olympic women's volleyball. The day the athletes start wearing sweat suits I will focus a bit more on the game. If these women are concerned, they should take a page out of the original women's mma pioneer, Becky Levi and put on some board shorts and a t-shirt if they're camera shy.
5/8/13 10:08 PM
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Look at this new clothing technology:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0908/carano.vs.santos/images/carano-cyborg1.jpg
5/9/13 12:36 PM
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Kirik - 

The point is not that you shouldn't be attracted to attractive female fighters. The point it is not the first thing you should talk about.

It is true in both directions. I know a lot of women who like looking at GSP. But after a fight was over, if all they were talking about was how hot his ass in tight shorts is, it would be pretty annoying.

Does that make sense?

 

Beautiful women + MMA = the good stuff imo:

 

 

5/10/13 5:36 PM
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