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5/9/13 1:23 AM
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Firstly let me start by saying I completely accept that my claims are unfounded and I'm more starting this topic to see if anyone has any sound evidence for match fixing in the UFC.

Obviously there's the infamous Mark Coleman fight but has anyone got any other fights they feel were fixed and why. Have any fighters or anyone involved in the organisation spoke publicly on the issue.

Also do you think it's plausible for the UFC to pay fighters to fake injuries to set up bigger fights.

For example JDS vs Mark Hunt seemednto come immediately following ridiculously high fan demand. Does anyone feel it's possible the UFC made pay offs to give Mark Hunt the opportunity to step in, in an attempt to increase potential pay per view buys.

People say boxing and mma are rife with match fixing and I'd just like to know more regarding the topic.

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5/9/13 1:25 AM
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Shit just got as real as it gets. Phone Post
5/9/13 1:27 AM
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LOL at infamous Mark Coleman fight and UFC

5/9/13 1:31 AM
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LOL at infamous Mark Coleman fight and UFC

You obviously didn't see the Takada fight.


It's okay though; Not many did, as it was a Facebook prelim. Phone Post
5/9/13 1:34 AM
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Urgh I get the Coleman fight was outside of the UFC and that is why I wanted to know if anyone had anymore information specifically regarding the UFC.

Did you really laugh out loud? I swear this board has a fair few interesting posters, but it's full of people just lurking, waiting to jump in and tear a post apart. Phone Post
5/9/13 1:36 AM
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Overeem jds was a much bigger draw, so no Phone Post
5/9/13 1:36 AM
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The Mark Coleman fight was in Pride.

And the idea of UFC paying fighters to fake injuries is pretty much crazy, it's not even close to plausible.

The only UFC fight that was remotely sketchy was Ken Shamrock vs. Rich Franklin but that seemed much more like Ken Shamrock just being an ass, than anything else.

And honestly match-fixing is not something that's been a particular problem in MMA in any relevent organization outside of Japan, and even then not for a long time. I can't comment on the modern state of boxing, but this is not a problem that MMA is known to have and does not seem at all plausible.

Incompetent judging, incompetent refereeing, and PEDs are all valid, deep-rooted problems. Corruption is not something I've seen any evidence of in a major organization in a very long time and never under Zuffa. I don't have 10 pages to list all the matches that went one way where the UFC would have benefitted more from them going another.

 

5/9/13 1:39 AM
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Chromium, I'm aware it was in Pride, I should of made that clear. The rest of your post is awesome, cheers. Phone Post
5/9/13 1:39 AM
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Severn/Macias was a little bit cooperative looking. None I can think of post Zuffa though.

5/9/13 1:41 AM
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There's very little reason for them to rig the game that way. Since there are no rules governing who gets a title shot, or who the contenders even are, they can simply set up fights as they see fit, and make money off marketing the matchups as legit.

Zuffa clearly has favorites in mind, guys they prefer to win, and they do make matchups on that basis---but those plans go awry often enough. If payoffs characterized their business m.o., then Brock never would have lost to Mir, Uriah Hall would have won TUF, etc.

It's much easier to just insert the characters they want to win at the front of the title shot line, and then market the resulting matchups as the hottest ever and so on.

Mob-like fight fixes are unnecessary. It's about selling matchups, and they can sell either type---legit (sport) or illegit (theatre). Doesn't matter much to them.
5/9/13 1:45 AM
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So it seems like match fixing isn't the issue that most feel it is in boxing. Do you think that's because, as you said, zuffa can give title shots to who they want etc? Or do you feel there's other reasons as to why it's such a big issue for boxing? Phone Post
5/9/13 1:45 AM
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LOL at infamous Mark Coleman fight and UFC

You obviously didn't see the Takada fight.


It's okay though; Not many did, as it was a Facebook prelim. Phone Post

lol

5/9/13 1:55 AM
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There was a more of a demand for Hunto to fight JDS when he was the champion but they gave it to Murr so I think you picked a bad example there.

In regards to fight fixing, who knows. It would be so easy to get caught in a sub and then tap so the opportunity is there if someone wanted to make money.

With fighters pay being so low I wouldn't be surprised if it happened before. I don't think the UFC has anything to do with it though. Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 2:01 AM
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Any promoter caught fixing matches would lose their license. The last one I can think of that was even suspected of it was elitexc and the Kimbo debacle and that basically shut them down.

So really, if people think the UFC would be stupid enough to jeopardize their entire business just for a favourable outcome here and there in a fight they need their head examined. Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 2:06 AM
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MixedMartialTart -  So it seems like match fixing isn't the issue that most feel it is in boxing. Do you think that's because, as you said, zuffa can give title shots to who they want etc? Or do you feel there's other reasons as to why it's such a big issue for boxing? Phone Post

I don't think it's an issue in boxing either, in the way it used to be 50-60 years ago. Because there weren't PPV's then, everything was about live gate and betting. So the mob would fix bets, huge bets, and rake in $$ that way.

Corruption in boxing is still huge, but it takes the form of buying rankings in the alphabet orgs. You have a hot prospect, and you pay the WBC to rank him #10 or something. He wins a couple of fights, you pay again, and suddenly he's #3.

That's just one example. There are a million ways to rig the system in boxing. Fighter's records can be altered, selections for tournaments paid for, judges bought off. And this shit goes on ALL the time. Boxing is FILTHY ass dirty...it makes any Zuffa shadiness look angelic by comparison.
5/9/13 2:12 AM
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Really fuckface? Phone Post
5/9/13 2:13 AM
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I would guess there might be some corruption that isn't through the UFC with lower level fighters just because they fight in Vegas and don't make much money.

A guy who isn't going to get cut if he loses (or that definitely is) could have someone place a bet on them to lose in some shitty undercard fight and no one would ever notice probably.

That isn't the UFC's fault but I bet it's happened.

It wouldn't make sense for bigger name fighters because you'd have a hard time getting a casino to take a bet that would make it worth it to them (50-100k I'd assume at that level).

But I could see an undercard fighter trying to make a quick 20k placing some bets around town.
5/9/13 2:17 AM
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MixedMartialTart -  Urgh I get the Coleman fight was outside of the UFC and that is why I wanted to know if anyone had anymore information specifically regarding the UFC.

Did you really laugh out loud? I swear this board has a fair few interesting posters, but it's full of people just lurking, waiting to jump in and tear a post apart. Phone Post

That's my shtick here. I laughed uncontrollably for a solid 30 minutes

5/9/13 2:19 AM
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5/9/13 2:37 AM
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You don't know how business works do you?

Let's risk a company worth however many billion and all the trimmings that come with it like a massive FOX DEAL etc. so we can fix some fights.

Get real.

Live in reality, not everything is a conspiracy or rigged.

5/9/13 3:40 AM
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brock lesnar's career

watch the exaggerated roll backwards herring does in their fight.

or the big knockdown blow against randy, a shot with no power drops him hard but he fucked up and helped himself to the ground.

or the fight he beat frank mir in. frank didnt do shit just hung on to half guard waiting to get pounded out and collect an easy check.

i dont believe anyone is getting tapped out by brock lesnar, so the carwin fight seemed fake. think about it, non american champions are a huge draw, so naturally brock passed the belt to cain.

i dont even think he sparred, did you notice how ridiculous his reaction was to cain laying his hands on him? wheres that gif?

he brought many eyes to the sport but keeping up the charade is much too risky.

anyone with me here?
5/9/13 3:43 AM
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brock brought them to a pinnacle that allowed them to achieve the fox deal. the pro wrestling fans are the reason UFC made it to free tv so fast. hes a pro wrestler ffs
5/9/13 3:55 AM
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Firstly let me start by saying I completely accept that my claims are unfounded and I'm more starting this topic to see if anyone has any sound evidence that demons have taken over the bodies of the Fertitta brothers and Dana with the goal of imposing a satanic world order through the influence of broadcast audio at UFC events.

Obviously there were the infamous demon voices during UFC 159, but has anyone else noticed any other instances of demonic possession and why.

5/9/13 4:05 AM
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Maybe in the early days, there were strong rumours Nelmark took a dive against Tank... Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 4:09 AM
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Taktarov Vs. Macias is the only fixed match I know in the UFC.

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