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5/9/13 1:32 PM
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Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post
5/9/13 1:37 PM
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When you come off a one year suspension for steroid use you can't command respect and a big pay day. You have to earn that respect back. If you want it you have to take it, but don't expect people to hand it to you under the circumstances. Tito has a history of putting too high of a value on himself and now it seems he has done that with a client.

Now, on the flip side if Cyborg continues to win and test clean then her value will go up without question. Will UFC bite is the question at that point. I do see this as another Fedor situation though.
5/9/13 2:05 PM
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UFC pretty much just needs to go ahead and add a 145 division, so if Cyborg wins They'll have fights for her that keep everyone happy. That or take the risk and give Cyborg a shorter contract.

Well the whole point of the article was to show that the weight cut wasn't the issue.  So adding a 145 division would solve nothing.  It would be interesting though to see what excuse her and Tito could come up with after the division was added and she still doesnt sign.


I'd love to see Dana call their bluff. Add a 145 division, and then watch them make up some other excuse not to join. As said before, this is the Fedor situation all over again. Although at least Fedor was making millions in Affliction and Strikeforce. Cyborg is probably making very little in Invicta.

What do you mean?  Per this thread you're posting on, 145 or 135 is not the issue.  Even at 145, money and the 8 fight contract would still be there.  The whole UG is up in arms over Eddie's contract with Bellator, but they put down Cyborg because she doesn't want to get locked into a one sided multi-year contract with Zuffa.

"Prajin told MMA Fighting that Cyborg would have attempted the drop to 135 if the sides struck a deal, but a contract fell apart because the money was not right, and because the two sides could never get past the fact that Zuffa insisted on an eight-fight contract."


That's assuming you believe that's the real issue. I say Dana should call her bluff. Create a 145 division. Offer her a 3-4 fight contract and more money than Invicta does now. If her and Tito whine about something else, he should wish her well on her fade into obscurity.

I'm not even really sure where you're going here.  So you think Dana should create a new division to try and prove her wrong?  And if she accepts, then he has to go out and sign 11 new female 145lb fighters and create a division?  You think she wants to fight everywhere else except the UFC?


According to her camp, Dana wouldn't even need to. He could offer her the 3-4 fight deal at 135. Although I guarantee they will manufacture something even if he offered the money and fights they wanted. Then the issue would be something else. She'd suddenly be unable to make the weight again.
5/9/13 2:06 PM
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Shogun of Harlem - ^ Yeah, because to just prove a point that Cyborg is lying, Dana White should invest millions of dollars.

Really, what the fuck is this forum coming to?

She's already been caught in lies. What's one more?
5/9/13 2:08 PM
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Cyborg making herself look worse and worse...does she not get that was popped for PEDs? And now she admits lying about not being able to make 135? Who cares about Cyborg....shes full of bulshit and test
5/9/13 2:13 PM
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JROTT -  Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post

She's only 27. How is an 8 fight offer making it next to impossible for her to sign? Especially when they said she could have her first ones in Invicta... which is what she's doing anyway (and for probably far less money than she turned down). Tito essentially turned down the UFC's offer so they get less money, worse exposure, and no fight with Rousey. Makes perfect sense.
5/9/13 2:18 PM
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mijo - Rhonda should just ask for the fight. She is the best, right? Cris Cyborg is her biggest challenge. Dana and Rhonda know it, and need too step up.
I think it scares her a little, the way cyborg throws how can u blame her, I think Ronda plays it off as she ain't scared but I think otherwise, I think eventually she will have to fight her tho, she just wants to improve some more first maybe? Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 2:21 PM
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Mark Hunts Pet Monkey - I think UFC is more likely to add a 125 division first, way bigger talent pool. Phone Post 3.0
You are correct sir, I believe 115 as well tho I could be wrong Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 2:23 PM
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JROTT -  Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post

This...  LOL at an 8 fight and 4 year contract right before a title shot.  So she wins and she's stuck in her entry level contract for the next 7 fights and 3.5 years as champ.  No one in their right mind would take that.

And yes, Dana does not want this fight to happen.  He doesn't give 2 shits about womens MMA.  He cares about Ronda and that's it.  The last think he wants is a fighter to come in and smash her face, which Cyborg would. 


You do realize Cyborg is only 27 right? And that the UFC offered to let her fight her first fights in Invicta (on their dime)? She would be in early 30s by the time that contract is over. What's her other options? Fade into obscurity in Bellator (who have shown no commitment to WMMA at all)? Go over to Japan and fight undersized cans? The funny thing is that Invicta is completely at the mercy of the UFC. They're basically just using it to farm girls. They can keep siphoning off their talent slowly, or just absorb it any point in the future.
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Regardless of the reason, you should never turn down a fight and then wear a shirt around that says "(fighter I decided not to fight) will be my bitch."

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JROTT -  Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post

She's only 27. How is an 8 fight offer making it next to impossible for her to sign? Especially when they said she could have her first ones in Invicta... which is what she's doing anyway (and for probably far less money than she turned down). Tito essentially turned down the UFC's offer so they get less money, worse exposure, and no fight with Rousey. Makes perfect sense.

You seem to have alot of info with regards to her contracts.  Do us a favor..

- Tell us the breakdown of the 8 fight UFC contract.  Explain her show/win money, how and if it increases per fight, and what happens if she becomes champ, if there is a PPV percentage, etc...

-  Next, give us the breakdown of her Invicta contract.  Is it exclusive?  How many fights?  What's her pay?  etc...


You do realize that it's accepted by pretty much everybody that Zuffa is bankrolling Invicta? It's kind of funny how you're acting like it's this independent company. The fighters can be absorbed at any time in the future (this includes Cyborg's contract). Then where is she going? Going to fight some tiny 125lb cans in Japan?
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Regardless of the reason, you should never turn down a fight and then wear a shirt around that says "(fighter I decided not to fight) will be my bitch."


She's obviously Tito's puppet. He's recycling and feeding her all of his old trash talk.
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JROTT -  Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post

This...  LOL at an 8 fight and 4 year contract right before a title shot.  So she wins and she's stuck in her entry level contract for the next 7 fights and 3.5 years as champ.  No one in their right mind would take that.

And yes, Dana does not want this fight to happen.  He doesn't give 2 shits about womens MMA.  He cares about Ronda and that's it.  The last think he wants is a fighter to come in and smash her face, which Cyborg would. 


You do realize Cyborg is only 27 right? And that the UFC offered to let her fight her first fights in Invicta (on their dime)? She would be in early 30s by the time that contract is over. What's her other options? Fade into obscurity in Bellator (who have shown no commitment to WMMA at all)? Go over to Japan and fight undersized cans? The funny thing is that Invicta is completely at the mercy of the UFC. They're basically just using it to farm girls. They can keep siphoning off their talent slowly, or just absorb it any point in the future.

You do realize that womens MMA has been around before Ronda and Carmouche fought in the UFC, right?   Out of all the WMMA fighters in the world, 12 of them are in the UFC and none of them are in Rondas division.  Is Michelle Waterson fading into obscurity?

Again, you speak on Cyborgs contract alot as if you have intimate knowledge.  Tell us about the specifics.


WMMA started long before Cyborg arrived on the scene as well. And many of them struggled for years to get the fame or money they deserved. Look at Tara LaRosa. An absolute legend in her sport, and completely unknown to even most MMA fans. Her exposure on TUF will likely eclipse all of her previous fights combined.
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JROTT -  Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post

She's only 27. How is an 8 fight offer making it next to impossible for her to sign? Especially when they said she could have her first ones in Invicta... which is what she's doing anyway (and for probably far less money than she turned down). Tito essentially turned down the UFC's offer so they get less money, worse exposure, and no fight with Rousey. Makes perfect sense.

You seem to have alot of info with regards to her contracts.  Do us a favor..

- Tell us the breakdown of the 8 fight UFC contract.  Explain her show/win money, how and if it increases per fight, and what happens if she becomes champ, if there is a PPV percentage, etc...

-  Next, give us the breakdown of her Invicta contract.  Is it exclusive?  How many fights?  What's her pay?  etc...


You do realize that it's accepted by pretty much everybody that Zuffa is bankrolling Invicta? It's kind of funny how you're acting like it's this independent company. The fighters can be absorbed at any time in the future (this includes Cyborg's contract). Then where is she going? Going to fight some tiny 125lb cans in Japan?

Source that Invicta is not an independent company?

And don't say your source is that it's "accepted by pretty much everybody."


You actually they're not backed by Zuffa? Let me guess... you also one of the poor fools that thought Pride would never die? You were probably still in denial as the UFC absorbed them. Did you also think that Affliction would once rival the UFC? Or that they wouldn't take over Strikeforce either?
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KingofBJJ - Rousey started out both in Judo and MMA at Cyborg's weight, so the onus is on Ronda to "man up".

lol wasn't she chubby at that weight?
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I love it when fighters claim that it`s not about money....it`s about respect.

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cross3dout - And Cyborg will go to bed knowing she never fought on the big stage and will be remembered as a roided up half man while Rondah will be remembered as the pioneer of women's MMA in the UFC and possibly one of the best female fighters of all time Phone Post 3.0
No one as one dimensional as Ronda will be remembered as the greatest female fighter. A catalyst and a pioneer, most certainly, a dominant champion during the birthing stage of WMMA, absolutely, she is that. But the best female fighter? That is still to come. Phone Post 3.0

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UFC pretty much just needs to go ahead and add a 145 division, so if Cyborg wins They'll have fights for her that keep everyone happy. That or take the risk and give Cyborg a shorter contract.

Well the whole point of the article was to show that the weight cut wasn't the issue.  So adding a 145 division would solve nothing.  It would be interesting though to see what excuse her and Tito could come up with after the division was added and she still doesnt sign.


I'd love to see Dana call their bluff. Add a 145 division, and then watch them make up some other excuse not to join. As said before, this is the Fedor situation all over again. Although at least Fedor was making millions in Affliction and Strikeforce. Cyborg is probably making very little in Invicta.

What do you mean?  Per this thread you're posting on, 145 or 135 is not the issue.  Even at 145, money and the 8 fight contract would still be there.  The whole UG is up in arms over Eddie's contract with Bellator, but they put down Cyborg because she doesn't want to get locked into a one sided multi-year contract with Zuffa.

"Prajin told MMA Fighting that Cyborg would have attempted the drop to 135 if the sides struck a deal, but a contract fell apart because the money was not right, and because the two sides could never get past the fact that Zuffa insisted on an eight-fight contract."


That's assuming you believe that's the real issue. I say Dana should call her bluff. Create a 145 division. Offer her a 3-4 fight contract and more money than Invicta does now. If her and Tito whine about something else, he should wish her well on her fade into obscurity.

why should he give in to her demadns?
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Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.


Keep telling yourself that dude. I'm sure if the UFC completely absorbs Invicta in a year, you will still be singing that tune. Even as Cyborg flees to Japan to fight undersized nobodies for a lot less money.
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UFC pretty much just needs to go ahead and add a 145 division, so if Cyborg wins They'll have fights for her that keep everyone happy. That or take the risk and give Cyborg a shorter contract.

Well the whole point of the article was to show that the weight cut wasn't the issue.  So adding a 145 division would solve nothing.  It would be interesting though to see what excuse her and Tito could come up with after the division was added and she still doesnt sign.


I'd love to see Dana call their bluff. Add a 145 division, and then watch them make up some other excuse not to join. As said before, this is the Fedor situation all over again. Although at least Fedor was making millions in Affliction and Strikeforce. Cyborg is probably making very little in Invicta.

What do you mean?  Per this thread you're posting on, 145 or 135 is not the issue.  Even at 145, money and the 8 fight contract would still be there.  The whole UG is up in arms over Eddie's contract with Bellator, but they put down Cyborg because she doesn't want to get locked into a one sided multi-year contract with Zuffa.

"Prajin told MMA Fighting that Cyborg would have attempted the drop to 135 if the sides struck a deal, but a contract fell apart because the money was not right, and because the two sides could never get past the fact that Zuffa insisted on an eight-fight contract."


That's assuming you believe that's the real issue. I say Dana should call her bluff. Create a 145 division. Offer her a 3-4 fight contract and more money than Invicta does now. If her and Tito whine about something else, he should wish her well on her fade into obscurity.

why should he give in to her demadns?

Didn't say he should. I just like the idea of him calling her bluff. Dana did the same thing with Fedor about his sambo. Conceded this point, and Vadim was still complaining. I bet if Dana had agreed to copromotion, M-1 would have dragged their feet about something else. They were just looking for excuses not to sign.
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You guys are just saying this because she's not as attractive as the champion. She should have made at least the same 90k Ronda made for the fight. The title, I'm reality, was vacant. And I'm sure the only reason Dana have get the belt is because he wanted or was fucking her. Phone Post
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This again...

First Cyborg claims for MONTHS that she can't make 135. Now it's about a lack of building her up and she didn't like the terms.

Cyborg fights at 145 in Invicta, and her last event did under 5,000 buys at 10$ a pop.

Ronda fights at 135 in the UFC and is the champ, and she did over 500,000 buys at 60$ a pop.

Like it or not, there is 0 reason for Ronda to gain 10 pounds and fight a known roider in a division that doesn't exist in the UFC.

Stop the excuses, stop the bullshit. You want to be built up? Drop the weight and take the belt. You want a better contract? Drop the weight and take the belt. Until then, fight lesser competition at Invicta. That's the right move for your career, according to Tito.

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T Bag - I thought she said she would die from cutting the weight...now it turns out she just wanted new $$ ? Phone Post 3.0

it wasn't about the money, it was about respect

ufc should have shown cris respect by paying her what she deserves

but it wasn't about the money

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_backfist -  You guys are just saying this because she's not as attractive as the champion. She should have made at least the same 90k Ronda made for the fight. The title, I'm reality, was vacant. And I'm sure the only reason Dana have get the belt is because he wanted or was fucking her. Phone Post

How do you know why people are saying this? Your not even in the same room to read their minds so please tell me how can you tell this through posts on a forum?

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