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5/9/13 3:42 PM
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_backfist -  You guys are just saying this because she's not as attractive as the champion. She should have made at least the same 90k Ronda made for the fight. The title, I'm reality, was vacant. And I'm sure the only reason Dana have get the belt is because he wanted or was fucking her. Phone Post

Cyborg didn't have a problem with Gina making 125K for their title fight. 

5/9/13 3:46 PM
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Is an 8 fight deal a really bad thing? If she beat rousey she'd of been champ and its not like theres huge competition. Phone Post
5/9/13 3:53 PM
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It's all playing out fine. ronda was the greater draw to media and fanbase so got a better deal. cyborg was coming off suspension anyway so wait a bit for her stock to rise.

the future is all bright - ufc can do a 145# division a little later after women's mma is cemented in to the org. cyborg can win it. then they can do a superfight with rousey and everyone involved makes more.
5/9/13 3:54 PM
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Surprise,Surprise.

5/9/13 4:02 PM
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You don't ask a Brazilian to go on a shitty California diet for years. Anderson might go to welterweight to fight GSP, but do you think he'd sign for 8 fights at 170? No way he wants to get back to eating two chickens and a pig everyday. <br />

It'd be fun watching Tito if Marloes won!
5/9/13 4:09 PM
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That is some dumass Tito Ortiz logic right there. Sorry Chris, but Honda isn't the one with *you* on her lips and on her mind and all she can talk about in the media, quite the opposite.

You are letting Dumass Tito waste your potential.

You are letting him put you in a position where your fans are starting to hate you.

You are the one fighting regional bums.

You are the best female figher out there. Until you put yourself in the position to be fighting the best competition, none of that matters.

You are leeting dumass Tito Oritz waste your potential.
5/9/13 4:10 PM
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RampageFitsLikeAGlove -

Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.

Boom.

Dana doesn't want Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson fighting for the title on PPV.

Hence, why he will book Nelson vs Hunt even if Mark beats JDS. This fight at least kills 1, if it sucks he can kill both and say the fans demanded another bout.

Dana doesn't want Chris Weidman messing up the big plans of Silva-Jones.

Dana would have preferred Tate beat Zingano to set up a Ronda-Tate TUF.

Dana definitely doesn't want Cris Cyborg wrecking shop and winning the belt.

Period.

Cris killed the Gina Carano show.

They know it could happen again.

This is why Liz Carmouche was put in that fight and paid peanuts.

She was to be a jobber. A bit player.

The scary moment was when she could have subbed Ronda.

Dana doesn't want his girl's face looking like hamburger and having to put that belt around Cyborg's waist.

Fight never happens. Phone Post
5/9/13 4:22 PM
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Dogmadeth -  Cyborg will end up being the Fedor of women's fighters. Widely regarded as the best of her time but never stepping up to proove it due to bad management. Phone Post

When did Fedor test positive for steroids?
5/9/13 4:26 PM
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The only fight that really matters and people are bashing Cyborg. How many men have been caught using steroids or illegal supplements in MMA, yet she is shit on left and right because some of you guys find the other fighter more attractive.
5/9/13 4:28 PM
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This again...

First Cyborg claims for MONTHS that she can't make 135. Now it's about a lack of building her up and she didn't like the terms.

Cyborg fights at 145 in Invicta, and her last event did under 5,000 buys at 10$ a pop.

Ronda fights at 135 in the UFC and is the champ, and she did over 500,000 buys at 60$ a pop.

Like it or not, there is 0 reason for Ronda to gain 10 pounds and fight a known roider in a division that doesn't exist in the UFC.

Stop the excuses, stop the bullshit. You want to be built up? Drop the weight and take the belt. You want a better contract? Drop the weight and take the belt. Until then, fight lesser competition at Invicta. That's the right move for your career, according to Tito.


Motherfucking knowledge has been dropped.

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5/9/13 4:28 PM
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MrMead - The only fight that really matters and people are bashing Cyborg. How many men have been caught using steroids or illegal supplements in MMA, yet she is shit on left and right because some of you guys find the other fighter more attractive.

this.

a bunch of fucking losers on this thread.

This fight will never happen because it would be bad for WMMA. Ronda will get destroyed.
5/9/13 4:30 PM
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I think Cyborg made the right decision all the way around.
We will never know the details of what was in that contract. There could have been severe penalties if it proves impossible to make weight. They could have had all kinds of controls on her career written into it.
Perhaps instead of thinking she is a greedy roided up meathead dumbass fighter who doesn't know what is is good for her (by which you really mean us the fans) she could be a fighter who is trying to right the course of her ship after a suspension and fanbase loss. Phone Post
5/9/13 4:37 PM
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MrMead - The only fight that really matters and people are bashing Cyborg. How many men have been caught using steroids or illegal supplements in MMA, yet she is shit on left and right because some of you guys find the other fighter more attractive.

It isn't the only fight that really matters. Maybe in your tiny world it does. But the UFC has established a 135lb division for women and is building contenders for the champion. If you look at their immediate booking, you can see UFC is building both Sara McMann and Alexis Davis towards title shots. And many people see them as the two most likely contenders to beat Ronda.

The only reason I brought up steroids is because people were trying to compare Cyborg to Fedor, which is a ridiculous comparison for many reasons, but since money is the discussion, Cyborg is overestimating her worth. Her stock dropped immediately when she was busted for roids, the same with Fedor after his undefeated streak ended.

I love this. First you had a ton of people Championing Cyborg's position because of her claim that it was because of weight. Now all of a sudden she has changed her tune and immediately the children have started following the pied piper all over again.

5/9/13 4:52 PM
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MrMead - The only fight that really matters and people are bashing Cyborg. How many men have been caught using steroids or illegal supplements in MMA, yet she is shit on left and right because some of you guys find the other fighter more attractive.

this.

a bunch of fucking losers on this thread.

This fight will never happen because it would be bad for WMMA. Ronda will get destroyed.

 

No, this fight will never happen because when offered a title fight, this roider tucked tail and ran to Invicta.  She and Tito said was impossible for her to cut the weight and now openly admits she was lying about that.

I swear Cyborg could come forward and confess that she's a man, has always been a man, and her nuthuggers would still defend her and claim Rousey is ducking.

5/9/13 4:55 PM
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Exactly, what was up with Cyborg being on that scale for her Invicta press conference if she could make the weight after all?
5/9/13 4:56 PM
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Nice shirt she got on.

How can you say you are humble yet wear a shirt that says you are going to make someone your bitch?

On another note, if she does make Ronda her bitch, we she fuck her with her dick?

I might pay to see that. Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 4:57 PM
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Im far from a Cybory nuthugger. To me its more about the fags on this site who take shots at her while the majority of male fighters in MMA are doing some sort of PED, just not getting caught (actually a lot are getting caught).

But people seem to love to take shots at Cyborg because they find Ronda attractive. Its utterly retarded.
5/9/13 4:58 PM
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Tito & Cyborg rolled the dice....

 

 

 

5/9/13 5:33 PM
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Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.

Boom.

Dana doesn't want Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson fighting for the title on PPV.

Hence, why he will book Nelson vs Hunt even if Mark beats JDS. This fight at least kills 1, if it sucks he can kill both and say the fans demanded another bout.

Dana doesn't want Chris Weidman messing up the big plans of Silva-Jones.

Dana would have preferred Tate beat Zingano to set up a Ronda-Tate TUF.

Dana definitely doesn't want Cris Cyborg wrecking shop and winning the belt.

Period.

Cris killed the Gina Carano show.

They know it could happen again.

This is why Liz Carmouche was put in that fight and paid peanuts.

She was to be a jobber. A bit player.

The scary moment was when she could have subbed Ronda.

Dana doesn't want his girl's face looking like hamburger and having to put that belt around Cyborg's waist.

Fight never happens. Phone Post

this man gets it
5/9/13 5:43 PM
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BigEyedFish - Im far from a Cybory nuthugger. To me its more about the fags on this site who take shots at her while the majority of male fighters in MMA are doing some sort of PED, just not getting caught (actually a lot are getting caught).

But people seem to love to take shots at Cyborg because they find Ronda attractive. Its utterly retarded.

Ok fair enough. 

Let's compare her situation with a male equivalent.  Let's use Josh Barnett when he was in the UFC.  He got busted for roiding after the Couture fight.  Let's say after his supsension for roids, Josh comes back and gets offered an immediate title shot.  But Josh insists the heavy weight champion move up to super heavy weight.  Dana tells him they don't have a super HW division so he will have to lose the weight.  Josh insists he will die if he tries to drop down to HW because the roids have made it impossible for him to lose the weight.  Dana gets Mike Dolce to help him out and they talk and agree it would be no problem to lose the extra pounds.  But then, unexplainably, Josh refuses to sign then runs to Strikeforce.  Then starts squawking that the UFC HW champion is ducking him.  This would probably garner a lot of aggro from fans against Josh.  Just like it's doing against CyRoid.

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KingofBJJ - Rousey started out both in Judo and MMA at Cyborg's weight, so the onus is on Ronda to "man up".
Why is that? She is the champ. When was the last time a champ let the challenger set the terms? Phone Post
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cyborg is 1 of the best 145 pound fighters of the night

5/9/13 5:49 PM
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Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.

Boom.

Dana doesn't want Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson fighting for the title on PPV.

Hence, why he will book Nelson vs Hunt even if Mark beats JDS. This fight at least kills 1, if it sucks he can kill both and say the fans demanded another bout.

Dana doesn't want Chris Weidman messing up the big plans of Silva-Jones.

Dana would have preferred Tate beat Zingano to set up a Ronda-Tate TUF.

Dana definitely doesn't want Cris Cyborg wrecking shop and winning the belt.

Period.

Cris killed the Gina Carano show.

They know it could happen again.

This is why Liz Carmouche was put in that fight and paid peanuts.

She was to be a jobber. A bit player.

The scary moment was when she could have subbed Ronda.

Dana doesn't want his girl's face looking like hamburger and having to put that belt around Cyborg's waist.

Fight never happens. Phone Post

this man gets it

Not really. Dana realizes the reality of MMA and the unpredictability of the outcomes of fights.

Of course Dana and Joe Silva have plans for what comes next, but they will and have accepted outcomes for various fights.

They are just set on promoting and stabilizing the women's 135lb division. If they weren't, then they wouldn't be having women on TUF.

Dana and Joe Silva have realized it can't be just the Ronda Rousey show. They aren't going to be idiots and build around one single fighter unlike EliteXC (Kimbo) or Affliction/M1 (Fedor).

That is why they put Miesha vs Cat together and guaranteed one a coaching spot when they could have just as easily given Miesha the coaching spot without the fight.

It is why they are slowly building up Sara McMann and Alexis Davis as eventual challengers.
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realizing unpredictability and trying their best to control the future of the sport are not mutually exclusive. Both are at play.
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UFC pretty much just needs to go ahead and add a 145 division, so if Cyborg wins They'll have fights for her that keep everyone happy. That or take the risk and give Cyborg a shorter contract.

Well the whole point of the article was to show that the weight cut wasn't the issue.  So adding a 145 division would solve nothing.  It would be interesting though to see what excuse her and Tito could come up with after the division was added and she still doesnt sign.


I'd love to see Dana call their bluff. Add a 145 division, and then watch them make up some other excuse not to join. As said before, this is the Fedor situation all over again. Although at least Fedor was making millions in Affliction and Strikeforce. Cyborg is probably making very little in Invicta.

What do you mean?  Per this thread you're posting on, 145 or 135 is not the issue.  Even at 145, money and the 8 fight contract would still be there.  The whole UG is up in arms over Eddie's contract with Bellator, but they put down Cyborg because she doesn't want to get locked into a one sided multi-year contract with Zuffa.

"Prajin told MMA Fighting that Cyborg would have attempted the drop to 135 if the sides struck a deal, but a contract fell apart because the money was not right, and because the two sides could never get past the fact that Zuffa insisted on an eight-fight contract."


That's assuming you believe that's the real issue. I say Dana should call her bluff. Create a 145 division. Offer her a 3-4 fight contract and more money than Invicta does now. If her and Tito whine about something else, he should wish her well on her fade into obscurity.

why should he give in to her demadns?

Didn't say he should. I just like the idea of him calling her bluff. Dana did the same thing with Fedor about his sambo. Conceded this point, and Vadim was still complaining. I bet if Dana had agreed to copromotion, M-1 would have dragged their feet about something else. They were just looking for excuses not to sign.

Oh I see now.  You're one of those guys who believes 100% of what Dana says and thinks everyone else is in the wrong and is lying.

Still waiting on your source that says Invicta is owned by Zuffa.


Haven't you figured it out yet that they all lie? I mean, you have M-1 refusing to have Fedor fight Overeem because he's on steroids. Yet they have no problem with him fighting Josh Barnett. And Cyborg supposedly took a steroid without her knowledge because her doctor gave it to her. She also can't make 135 without her and her unborn children dying. Give me a break.

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