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UFC pretty much just needs to go ahead and add a 145 division, so if Cyborg wins They'll have fights for her that keep everyone happy. That or take the risk and give Cyborg a shorter contract.

Well the whole point of the article was to show that the weight cut wasn't the issue.  So adding a 145 division would solve nothing.  It would be interesting though to see what excuse her and Tito could come up with after the division was added and she still doesnt sign.


I'd love to see Dana call their bluff. Add a 145 division, and then watch them make up some other excuse not to join. As said before, this is the Fedor situation all over again. Although at least Fedor was making millions in Affliction and Strikeforce. Cyborg is probably making very little in Invicta.

What do you mean?  Per this thread you're posting on, 145 or 135 is not the issue.  Even at 145, money and the 8 fight contract would still be there.  The whole UG is up in arms over Eddie's contract with Bellator, but they put down Cyborg because she doesn't want to get locked into a one sided multi-year contract with Zuffa.

"Prajin told MMA Fighting that Cyborg would have attempted the drop to 135 if the sides struck a deal, but a contract fell apart because the money was not right, and because the two sides could never get past the fact that Zuffa insisted on an eight-fight contract."


That's assuming you believe that's the real issue. I say Dana should call her bluff. Create a 145 division. Offer her a 3-4 fight contract and more money than Invicta does now. If her and Tito whine about something else, he should wish her well on her fade into obscurity.

why should he give in to her demadns?

Didn't say he should. I just like the idea of him calling her bluff. Dana did the same thing with Fedor about his sambo. Conceded this point, and Vadim was still complaining. I bet if Dana had agreed to copromotion, M-1 would have dragged their feet about something else. They were just looking for excuses not to sign.

Oh I see now.  You're one of those guys who believes 100% of what Dana says and thinks everyone else is in the wrong and is lying.

Still waiting on your source that says Invicta is owned by Zuffa.


Haven't you figured it out yet that they all lie? I mean, you have M-1 refusing to have Fedor fight Overeem because he's on steroids. Yet they have no problem with him fighting Josh Barnett. And Cyborg supposedly took a steroid without her knowledge because her doctor gave it to her. She also can't make 135 without her and her unborn children dying. Give me a break.
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BigEyedFish - realizing unpredictability and trying their best to control the future of the sport are not mutually exclusive. Both are at play.

so they are trying to control the future of the sport by protecting their cash cow in ronda by offering cyborg a fight deal that she turned down because tito assured us its physically impossible for her to lose anymore weight. Yeah man, i get it.
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Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.


Why would they when they can keep fighting people like Liz Carmouche?

They're trying to play us like fools

You mean the same Liz Carmouche that dominated Marloes Coenen for most of their four round fight? And on just two weeks notice? Funny thing is that Cyborg's last opponent got armarred by Coenen in just 3 minutes. Imagine what Ronda would do to Muxlow... it would probably be over in less than 30 seconds.
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Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.

Boom.

Dana doesn't want Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson fighting for the title on PPV.

Hence, why he will book Nelson vs Hunt even if Mark beats JDS. This fight at least kills 1, if it sucks he can kill both and say the fans demanded another bout.

Dana doesn't want Chris Weidman messing up the big plans of Silva-Jones.

Dana would have preferred Tate beat Zingano to set up a Ronda-Tate TUF.

Dana definitely doesn't want Cris Cyborg wrecking shop and winning the belt.

Period.

Cris killed the Gina Carano show.

They know it could happen again.

This is why Liz Carmouche was put in that fight and paid peanuts.

She was to be a jobber. A bit player.

The scary moment was when she could have subbed Ronda.

Dana doesn't want his girl's face looking like hamburger and having to put that belt around Cyborg's waist.

Fight never happens. Phone Post

I love this logic. Dana fed Brock to the wolves right away despite being a much bigger cash cow. He also has no problem feeding a huge draw like GSP to the far less popular Spider. But somehow he wants to shield Ronda from getting beaten? If Cyborg beats Rousey in the UFC, Dana would simply hype her up as this unstoppable beast. Just as he has done with all his other fallen stars. The UFC is more about the brand anyway than individual names. They will simply hype up the new latest thing as they always do.
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BigEyedFish - realizing unpredictability and trying their best to control the future of the sport are not mutually exclusive. Both are at play.

The UFC doesn't care about names in the long run. As long as the fighters are under their umbrella, they will get hyped and promoted as the best. Cyborg would be no different. If she loses to Ronda, it's proof that Rousey is the best WMMA fighter. If she beats Ronda, she is the GOAT. Same thing is true with other examples. Spider beats Jones, it's proof he is the GOAT. If he loses, Jon becomes the new best ever. UFC wins no matter the outcome as long as it happens in their org.
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MrMead - The only fight that really matters and people are bashing Cyborg. How many men have been caught using steroids or illegal supplements in MMA, yet she is shit on left and right because some of you guys find the other fighter more attractive.

this.

a bunch of fucking losers on this thread.

This fight will never happen because it would be bad for WMMA. Ronda will get destroyed.
I got a few vote downs for saying the same thing. It's so obvious Dana don't want this. 8 fight deal basically buries her if Dana wants.. From what I read, most fighters get 4-5 fight deals. I'd bet it was 8 fights at exactly the same pay Phone Post
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Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.

Boom.

Dana doesn't want Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson fighting for the title on PPV.

Hence, why he will book Nelson vs Hunt even if Mark beats JDS. This fight at least kills 1, if it sucks he can kill both and say the fans demanded another bout.

Dana doesn't want Chris Weidman messing up the big plans of Silva-Jones.

Dana would have preferred Tate beat Zingano to set up a Ronda-Tate TUF.

Dana definitely doesn't want Cris Cyborg wrecking shop and winning the belt.

Period.

Cris killed the Gina Carano show.

They know it could happen again.

This is why Liz Carmouche was put in that fight and paid peanuts.

She was to be a jobber. A bit player.

The scary moment was when she could have subbed Ronda.

Dana doesn't want his girl's face looking like hamburger and having to put that belt around Cyborg's waist.

Fight never happens. Phone Post

I love this logic. Dana fed Brock to the wolves right away despite being a much bigger cash cow. He also has no problem feeding a huge draw like GSP to the far less popular Spider. But somehow he wants to shield Ronda from getting beaten? If Cyborg beats Rousey in the UFC, Dana would simply hype her up as this unstoppable beast. Just as he has done with all his other fallen stars. The UFC is more about the brand anyway than individual names. They will simply hype up the new latest thing as they always do.
Dana never knew Brock would smash... And putting him against fucking 205lb randy for the title was based of marketing, not deserving the shot.

If there was ANY other stars other than Ronda then maybe the fight happens.. She is the entire division, period. Fight won't happen Phone Post
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So when Andy is bored he goes to 205 and fights.. When Ronda was asked to to 145 or catch weight Dana looks confused, says "what's the point in that, 135 or notning"

Same shit different pile





But I will say, having tito as your manager ain't gonna help shit all Phone Post
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Cyborg looks like wanderlei silve if he had a sex change. I don't know why I always think when I see her.
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Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.

Boom.

Dana doesn't want Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson fighting for the title on PPV.

Hence, why he will book Nelson vs Hunt even if Mark beats JDS. This fight at least kills 1, if it sucks he can kill both and say the fans demanded another bout.

Dana doesn't want Chris Weidman messing up the big plans of Silva-Jones.

Dana would have preferred Tate beat Zingano to set up a Ronda-Tate TUF.

Dana definitely doesn't want Cris Cyborg wrecking shop and winning the belt.

Period.

Cris killed the Gina Carano show.

They know it could happen again.

This is why Liz Carmouche was put in that fight and paid peanuts.

She was to be a jobber. A bit player.

The scary moment was when she could have subbed Ronda.

Dana doesn't want his girl's face looking like hamburger and having to put that belt around Cyborg's waist.

Fight never happens. Phone Post

I love this logic. Dana fed Brock to the wolves right away despite being a much bigger cash cow. He also has no problem feeding a huge draw like GSP to the far less popular Spider. But somehow he wants to shield Ronda from getting beaten? If Cyborg beats Rousey in the UFC, Dana would simply hype her up as this unstoppable beast. Just as he has done with all his other fallen stars. The UFC is more about the brand anyway than individual names. They will simply hype up the new latest thing as they always do.
Dana never knew Brock would smash... And putting him against fucking 205lb randy for the title was based of marketing, not deserving the shot.

If there was ANY other stars other than Ronda then maybe the fight happens.. She is the entire division, period. Fight won't happen Phone Post

Brock was already a huge star before he even fought in the UFC. They could have easily protected him with some tomato cans. Instead they had him fighting guys like Herring, Mir Couture, Carwin and Velasquez. So why didn't they milk it as long as possible if they're all about protecting their cash cow? Why risk a huge star like GSP against Silva if they're concerned much about protecting names? The truth is they don't care about individuals. As long as they fight under the UFC umbrella and make them rich, they'll hype it as the best product available. Same thing is true with the womens. No matter what happens, they're covered either way.

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Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.

Boom.

Dana doesn't want Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson fighting for the title on PPV.

Hence, why he will book Nelson vs Hunt even if Mark beats JDS. This fight at least kills 1, if it sucks he can kill both and say the fans demanded another bout.

Dana doesn't want Chris Weidman messing up the big plans of Silva-Jones.

Dana would have preferred Tate beat Zingano to set up a Ronda-Tate TUF.

Dana definitely doesn't want Cris Cyborg wrecking shop and winning the belt.

Period.

Cris killed the Gina Carano show.

They know it could happen again.

This is why Liz Carmouche was put in that fight and paid peanuts.

She was to be a jobber. A bit player.

The scary moment was when she could have subbed Ronda.

Dana doesn't want his girl's face looking like hamburger and having to put that belt around Cyborg's waist.

Fight never happens. Phone Post

I love this logic. Dana fed Brock to the wolves right away despite being a much bigger cash cow. He also has no problem feeding a huge draw like GSP to the far less popular Spider. But somehow he wants to shield Ronda from getting beaten? If Cyborg beats Rousey in the UFC, Dana would simply hype her up as this unstoppable beast. Just as he has done with all his other fallen stars. The UFC is more about the brand anyway than individual names. They will simply hype up the new latest thing as they always do.
Dana never knew Brock would smash... And putting him against fucking 205lb randy for the title was based of marketing, not deserving the shot.

If there was ANY other stars other than Ronda then maybe the fight happens.. She is the entire division, period. Fight won't happen Phone Post

Brock was already a huge star before he even fought in the UFC. They could have easily protected him with some tomato cans. Instead they had him fighting guys like Herring, Mir Couture, Carwin and Velasquez. So why didn't they milk it as long as possible if they're all about protecting their cash cow? Why risk a huge star like GSP against Silva if they're concerned much about protecting names? The truth is they don't care about individuals. As long as they fight under the UFC umbrella and make them rich, they'll hype it as the best product available. Same thing is true with the womens. No matter what happens, they're covered either way.

Mir was supposed to beat Brock, only not the lucky way he did. Dana wanted to show everyone that a fake wrestler with a 1-0 record would get smashed. Turned out Brock was tough and a huge draw, hence title shot after Herring.

Let's not forget that this women's div is new, every other div has other contenders and such.. Like if gsp or Andy were to lose for example, the division will continue just fine. Not the case with Ronda Phone Post
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jacktripper - Tito is her manager

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Isn't this really all we need to know to guess at how intelligent Cyborg's negotiating process was handled? Sorry, but seriously...Tito. Come on.
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JROTT -  So when Andy is bored he goes to 205 and fights.. When Ronda was asked to to 145 or catch weight Dana looks confused, says "what's the point in that, 135 or notning"

Same shit different pile





But I will say, having tito as your manager ain't gonna help shit all Phone Post

The difference is that when Anderson goes up to 205 he is still fighting in a weight division within the UFC. Anderson has also been champ for a very long time...
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Neither Dana nor Ronda want Cyborg in the UFC at 135.  Both of their dreams would go down the drain.  Carmouche seems like a nice enough person, but when it comes to fighting, she is no Cyborg.

Boom.

Dana doesn't want Mark Hunt or Roy Nelson fighting for the title on PPV.

Hence, why he will book Nelson vs Hunt even if Mark beats JDS. This fight at least kills 1, if it sucks he can kill both and say the fans demanded another bout.

Dana doesn't want Chris Weidman messing up the big plans of Silva-Jones.

Dana would have preferred Tate beat Zingano to set up a Ronda-Tate TUF.

Dana definitely doesn't want Cris Cyborg wrecking shop and winning the belt.

Period.

Cris killed the Gina Carano show.

They know it could happen again.

This is why Liz Carmouche was put in that fight and paid peanuts.

She was to be a jobber. A bit player.

The scary moment was when she could have subbed Ronda.

Dana doesn't want his girl's face looking like hamburger and having to put that belt around Cyborg's waist.

Fight never happens. Phone Post

I love this logic. Dana fed Brock to the wolves right away despite being a much bigger cash cow. He also has no problem feeding a huge draw like GSP to the far less popular Spider. But somehow he wants to shield Ronda from getting beaten? If Cyborg beats Rousey in the UFC, Dana would simply hype her up as this unstoppable beast. Just as he has done with all his other fallen stars. The UFC is more about the brand anyway than individual names. They will simply hype up the new latest thing as they always do.
Dana never knew Brock would smash... And putting him against fucking 205lb randy for the title was based of marketing, not deserving the shot.

If there was ANY other stars other than Ronda then maybe the fight happens.. She is the entire division, period. Fight won't happen Phone Post

Brock was already a huge star before he even fought in the UFC. They could have easily protected him with some tomato cans. Instead they had him fighting guys like Herring, Mir Couture, Carwin and Velasquez. So why didn't they milk it as long as possible if they're all about protecting their cash cow? Why risk a huge star like GSP against Silva if they're concerned much about protecting names? The truth is they don't care about individuals. As long as they fight under the UFC umbrella and make them rich, they'll hype it as the best product available. Same thing is true with the womens. No matter what happens, they're covered either way.

Mir was supposed to beat Brock, only not the lucky way he did. Dana wanted to show everyone that a fake wrestler with a 1-0 record would get smashed. Turned out Brock was tough and a huge draw, hence title shot after Herring.

Let's not forget that this women's div is new, every other div has other contenders and such.. Like if gsp or Andy were to lose for example, the division will continue just fine. Not the case with Ronda Phone Post

So why didn't they protect Brock after the Mir and Herring fights? They could sprinkled a few Zulus and Hong Man Chois in there between the legit competition.

And don't forget the 135lb womens division was extremely competitive before Ronda arrived on the scene. The belt switched from Kaufman to Coenen to Tate all in a very short time. Remove Rousey from the 2012 picture, and the title likely goes back to Kaufman. With both Zingano and/or McMann likely taking it away in 2013. Now compare this to the 145 division, where it's just Cyborg and Coenen. With not even Coenen being a true threat to Cyborg.
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Kingfanpaul -  Those of you comparing cyborg to Fedor should be ashamed of yourselves.

Fedor was highly respected and maybe the best fighter of all time, all without cheating.

Cyborg has not proven a damn thing as a clean fighter. She has no leverage in negotiations. Phone Post

Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.
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I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0
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BigEyedFish - Im far from a Cybory nuthugger. To me its more about the fags on this site who take shots at her while the majority of male fighters in MMA are doing some sort of PED, just not getting caught (actually a lot are getting caught).

But people seem to love to take shots at Cyborg because they find Ronda attractive. Its utterly retarded.

Ok fair enough. 

Let's compare her situation with a male equivalent.  Let's use Josh Barnett when he was in the UFC.  He got busted for roiding after the Couture fight.  Let's say after his supsension for roids, Josh comes back and gets offered an immediate title shot.  But Josh insists the heavy weight champion move up to super heavy weight.  Dana tells him they don't have a super HW division so he will have to lose the weight.  Josh insists he will die if he tries to drop down to HW because the roids have made it impossible for him to lose the weight.  Dana gets Mike Dolce to help him out and they talk and agree it would be no problem to lose the extra pounds.  But then, unexplainably, Josh refuses to sign then runs to Strikeforce.  Then starts squawking that the UFC HW champion is ducking him.  This would probably garner a lot of aggro from fans against Josh.  Just like it's doing against CyRoid.

This!

The constant changing of her reasons for not accepting the fight with Ronda make the reasons sound less and less believable.

People would treat any male fighter who acted like this exactly the same.

Overeem has gotten treated similarly in terms of his roids and fedor go treated similarly in terms of his ridiculous management team, stop trying to make this some gender equality issue, it's as simple as: a caught cheat has hilariously bad management but is placing the responsibility of her bad choices on her competition Phone Post 3.0
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so she lied about not being able to make 135?

 

duly noted

Exactly and I want this cyborg fight but first it was weight now it's money next it will be a cracked skull. Phone Post 3.0
Hahaha VTFU. Phone Post 3.0
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

Again, how can you be the #1 fighter when you just came off a No Contest because of a drug test failure?

That'd be like Josh Barnett claiming he was #1 in the world after he failed his drug test after beating Randy.
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

Again, how can you be the #1 fighter when you just came off a No Contest because of a drug test failure?

That'd be like Josh Barnett claiming he was #1 in the world after he failed his drug test after beating Randy.

Don't mind him. He would probably have given Fedor whatever he wanted to sign. Same thing with Cyborg. These are the same kind of fans that are scratching their heads when your Afflictions, Strikeforces, etc go belly up despite doing everything right. Meanwhile the UFC keeps outlasting them all while supposedly doing everything wrong.
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.
What makes she special? She will win! Phone Post

Fedor was supposed to win against Werdum. And Bigfoot. And Hendo. And he was finished by all three! I bet even his biggest haters saw that happening in their wildest fantasies. So who knows what happens to Cyborg. Heck, both her and Ronda could lose in the meantime and destroy any chance at a superfight. That's exactly what happened to Fedor/Brock.
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.

If you're not smart enough to see what's going on, there's probably no point in continuing a debate.  Dana does not want Cyborg to fight Ronda.  Dana is interested in WMMA for one reason and one reason only.  Ronda Rousey.  If Cyborg comes in and destroys her, which is exactly what would happen, it would be over for him.  Dolce said he can get Cyborg to 135 and her manager said they would attempt it.  Dana realizes it could possibly happen, so he throws out a bullshit 8 fight contract, knowing she won't sign it.  Not one fighter in their right mind would agree to an 8 fight deal with the first being a title shot and then being locked into a shitty contract for the next 3-4 years as champ.  It would have been like Dana offering Nick Diaz a 10 fight deal with $5K +$5K and then when he turns it down saying he was scared of GSP.   Use your head a bit.

Dana, you, I, and everyone know Cyborg is the main challenge to Ronda, which is why it's not happening.  If the fight does happen however, I hope they have a camera on Dana's face while the ref is pulling Cyborg off his cash cow.  The devastation in his eyes would be a gif here for years to come.


Nice conspiracy theory. Brock was his biggest cash cow ever. He comes back after being sick, and then gets matched up with easy opponents like Cain, Overeem, and JDS. GSP is Dana's next biggest cash cow, and he wants to feed him to the far less popular Anderson. If GSP refuses to take that fight, Dana will risk the status of the P4P best fighter in Anderson against Jones. These are clearly the actions of a man protecting his champions. Him trying to sign Cyborg to the UFC so she can fight against Ronda? Well that's just more evidence of him trying to avoid a possible fight. He's obviously doing that only so he can sabotage it.

BTW, it must absolutely kill you that the UFC keeps chugging along as all these supposedly much better orgs keep derailing. I can just imagine how butthurt you'll be if Ronda beats Cyborg in the future. You will probably put all your hopes immediately on someone else beating her. Just as you have been waiting for the UFC to lose to one of their competitors for years. That's all you've got left.

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