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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.
What makes she special? She will win! Phone Post

Fedor was supposed to win against Werdum. And Bigfoot. And Hendo. And he was finished by all three! I bet even his biggest haters saw that happening in their wildest fantasies. So who knows what happens to Cyborg. Heck, both her and Ronda could lose in the meantime and destroy any chance at a superfight. That's exactly what happened to Fedor/Brock.
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.

If you're not smart enough to see what's going on, there's probably no point in continuing a debate.  Dana does not want Cyborg to fight Ronda.  Dana is interested in WMMA for one reason and one reason only.  Ronda Rousey.  If Cyborg comes in and destroys her, which is exactly what would happen, it would be over for him.  Dolce said he can get Cyborg to 135 and her manager said they would attempt it.  Dana realizes it could possibly happen, so he throws out a bullshit 8 fight contract, knowing she won't sign it.  Not one fighter in their right mind would agree to an 8 fight deal with the first being a title shot and then being locked into a shitty contract for the next 3-4 years as champ.  It would have been like Dana offering Nick Diaz a 10 fight deal with $5K +$5K and then when he turns it down saying he was scared of GSP.   Use your head a bit.

Dana, you, I, and everyone know Cyborg is the main challenge to Ronda, which is why it's not happening.  If the fight does happen however, I hope they have a camera on Dana's face while the ref is pulling Cyborg off his cash cow.  The devastation in his eyes would be a gif here for years to come.


Nice conspiracy theory. Brock was his biggest cash cow ever. He comes back after being sick, and then gets matched up with easy opponents like Cain, Overeem, and JDS. GSP is Dana's next biggest cash cow, and he wants to feed him to the far less popular Anderson. If GSP refuses to take that fight, Dana will risk the status of the P4P best fighter in Anderson against Jones. These are clearly the actions of a man protecting his champions. Him trying to sign Cyborg to the UFC so she can fight against Ronda? Well that's just more evidence of him trying to avoid a possible fight. He's obviously doing that only so he can sabotage it.

BTW, it must absolutely kill you that the UFC keeps chugging along as all these supposedly much better orgs keep derailing. I can just imagine how butthurt you'll be if Ronda beats Cyborg in the future. You will probably put all your hopes immediately on someone else beating her. Just as you have been waiting for the UFC to lose to one of their competitors for years. That's all you've got left.
5/9/13 9:59 PM
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

Again, how can you be the #1 fighter when you just came off a No Contest because of a drug test failure?

That'd be like Josh Barnett claiming he was #1 in the world after he failed his drug test after beating Randy.

Don't mind him. He would probably have given Fedor whatever he wanted to sign. Same thing with Cyborg. These are the same kind of fans that are scratching their heads when your Afflictions, Strikeforces, etc go belly up despite doing everything right. Meanwhile the UFC keeps outlasting them all while supposedly doing everything wrong.

Coming from someone who clearly doesn't even know what 'belly up' means.  Quit using terms you don't understand.  It just makes you look stupid.

The UFC didn't need to sign Fedor, but they should quit saying they have the best fighters in the world then.    Everyone knows Fedor was far superior to UFC HW's.  It's not even debatable.  Big Tim and Andrei were running the UFC HW division for years.  It took Fedor a total of 3:40 seconds to finish them both.


So Affliction didn't go belly up after they bankrupted themselves overpaying for fighters? Hmm. That's not what Tom Atencio said. I guess Strikeforce didn't stuggle at all either once they expanded and tried to be more than a local org. That must have been a myth too.

And Arlovski and Sylvia lost to other guys even faster. One who was not even a MMA fighter. Not exactly great evidence of Fedor's superiority.
5/9/13 10:18 PM
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mijo - Rhonda should just ask for the fight. She is the best, right? Cris Cyborg is her biggest challenge. Dana and Rhonda know it, and need too step up.

This is the Fedor situation all over again.  She thinks her value is higher than the UFC thinks her value is.

I don't know who's right, but I'm pretty sure we won't see this fight while it's relevant.


This is what I first thought. If she keeps winning, she will continue to wait for that Anderson Silva money. If she loses, the UFC will no longer give a shit.
5/9/13 10:21 PM
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So first its the weight, she cant make it.

UFC brings in Dolce, she was at weight a day before the weigh ins in her last fight.

Now its not wanting to sign a long term deal.

Now its about money.

Now its about feeling disrespected.


Someone doesnt want this fight and its not Dana/Ronda/UFC.

5/9/13 10:48 PM
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Chris27 - So first its the weight, she cant make it.

UFC brings in Dolce, she was at weight a day before the weigh ins in her last fight.

Now its not wanting to sign a long term deal.

Now its about money.

Now its about feeling disrespected.


Someone doesnt want this fight and its not Dana/Ronda/UFC.


If you really think both women haven't done everything in their power to avoid this fight you're insane, man.  Sorry.

 

Of course you're right about Cyborg but also remember as soon as people started talking about a match with Cyborg, Ronda came up with a plan to for some reason drop down to 135 and then fight Cyborg later down the road, even though she won he bronze medal at 155.  Then when she won the belt she immediately changed her mind and said Cyborg should come to her and that she would not go up for Cyborg.

Simple fact, neither wants the fight and the person who wants it least?  Dana.  100%

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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.

If you're not smart enough to see what's going on, there's probably no point in continuing a debate.  Dana does not want Cyborg to fight Ronda.  Dana is interested in WMMA for one reason and one reason only.  Ronda Rousey.  If Cyborg comes in and destroys her, which is exactly what would happen, it would be over for him.  Dolce said he can get Cyborg to 135 and her manager said they would attempt it.  Dana realizes it could possibly happen, so he throws out a bullshit 8 fight contract, knowing she won't sign it.  Not one fighter in their right mind would agree to an 8 fight deal with the first being a title shot and then being locked into a shitty contract for the next 3-4 years as champ.  It would have been like Dana offering Nick Diaz a 10 fight deal with $5K +$5K and then when he turns it down saying he was scared of GSP.   Use your head a bit.

Dana, you, I, and everyone know Cyborg is the main challenge to Ronda, which is why it's not happening.  If the fight does happen however, I hope they have a camera on Dana's face while the ref is pulling Cyborg off his cash cow.  The devastation in his eyes would be a gif here for years to come.


Nice conspiracy theory. Brock was his biggest cash cow ever. He comes back after being sick, and then gets matched up with easy opponents like Cain, Overeem, and JDS. GSP is Dana's next biggest cash cow, and he wants to feed him to the far less popular Anderson. If GSP refuses to take that fight, Dana will risk the status of the P4P best fighter in Anderson against Jones. These are clearly the actions of a man protecting his champions. Him trying to sign Cyborg to the UFC so she can fight against Ronda? Well that's just more evidence of him trying to avoid a possible fight. He's obviously doing that only so he can sabotage it.

BTW, it must absolutely kill you that the UFC keeps chugging along as all these supposedly much better orgs keep derailing. I can just imagine how butthurt you'll be if Ronda beats Cyborg in the future. You will probably put all your hopes immediately on someone else beating her. Just as you have been waiting for the UFC to lose to one of their competitors for years. That's all you've got left.
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5/9/13 11:33 PM
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This again...

First Cyborg claims for MONTHS that she can't make 135. Now it's about a lack of building her up and she didn't like the terms.

Cyborg fights at 145 in Invicta, and her last event did under 5,000 buys at 10$ a pop.

Ronda fights at 135 in the UFC and is the champ, and she did over 500,000 buys at 60$ a pop.

Like it or not, there is 0 reason for Ronda to gain 10 pounds and fight a known roider in a division that doesn't exist in the UFC.

Stop the excuses, stop the bullshit. You want to be built up? Drop the weight and take the belt. You want a better contract? Drop the weight and take the belt. Until then, fight lesser competition at Invicta. That's the right move for your career, according to Tito.


Motherfucking knowledge has been dropped.

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5/10/13 12:33 AM
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.

If you're not smart enough to see what's going on, there's probably no point in continuing a debate.  Dana does not want Cyborg to fight Ronda.  Dana is interested in WMMA for one reason and one reason only.  Ronda Rousey.  If Cyborg comes in and destroys her, which is exactly what would happen, it would be over for him.  Dolce said he can get Cyborg to 135 and her manager said they would attempt it.  Dana realizes it could possibly happen, so he throws out a bullshit 8 fight contract, knowing she won't sign it.  Not one fighter in their right mind would agree to an 8 fight deal with the first being a title shot and then being locked into a shitty contract for the next 3-4 years as champ.  It would have been like Dana offering Nick Diaz a 10 fight deal with $5K +$5K and then when he turns it down saying he was scared of GSP.   Use your head a bit.

Dana, you, I, and everyone know Cyborg is the main challenge to Ronda, which is why it's not happening.  If the fight does happen however, I hope they have a camera on Dana's face while the ref is pulling Cyborg off his cash cow.  The devastation in his eyes would be a gif here for years to come.


You may actually have a point, but that is not what her camp came out with at first - they said she couldn't make the weight cut, cited health reasons, and then played the sympathy card saying children.

I don't believe a damn word that comes out of her, Tito's, or any member of her camp says.
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Make it happen Dana!!! :)

 

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Chris27 - So first its the weight, she cant make it.

UFC brings in Dolce, she was at weight a day before the weigh ins in her last fight.

Now its not wanting to sign a long term deal.

Now its about money.

Now its about feeling disrespected.


Someone doesnt want this fight and its not Dana/Ronda/UFC.


If you really think both women haven't done everything in their power to avoid this fight you're insane, man.  Sorry.

 

Of course you're right about Cyborg but also remember as soon as people started talking about a match with Cyborg, Ronda came up with a plan to for some reason drop down to 135 and then fight Cyborg later down the road, even though she won he bronze medal at 155.  Then when she won the belt she immediately changed her mind and said Cyborg should come to her and that she would not go up for Cyborg.

Simple fact, neither wants the fight and the person who wants it least?  Dana.  100%


"Ronda came up with a plan to for some reason drop down to 135 and then fight Cyborg later down the road, even though she won he bronze medal at 155. "

No way ronda came up with the plan to make cyborg test positive for steroids?!?!?!
5/10/13 12:55 AM
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Chris27 - So first its the weight, she cant make it.

UFC brings in Dolce, she was at weight a day before the weigh ins in her last fight.

Now its not wanting to sign a long term deal.

Now its about money.

Now its about feeling disrespected.


Someone doesnt want this fight and its not Dana/Ronda/UFC.


If you really think both women haven't done everything in their power to avoid this fight you're insane, man.  Sorry.

 

Of course you're right about Cyborg but also remember as soon as people started talking about a match with Cyborg, Ronda came up with a plan to for some reason drop down to 135 and then fight Cyborg later down the road, even though she won he bronze medal at 155.  Then when she won the belt she immediately changed her mind and said Cyborg should come to her and that she would not go up for Cyborg.

Simple fact, neither wants the fight and the person who wants it least?  Dana.  100%


"Ronda came up with a plan to for some reason drop down to 135 and then fight Cyborg later down the road, even though she won he bronze medal at 155. "

No way ronda came up with the plan to make cyborg test positive for steroids?!?!?!

I don't know why people keep saying Ronda needs to move to fight Cyborg. Ronda is a the champion, Cyborg has not. Ronda has won all her fights legitimately, Cyborg has not. Ronda is making tons of money in the UFC, Cyborg is not.

Lastly, Dana can keep hyping up fighters for bigger PPV than Cyborg will get in Invitica.
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oh look!it has a 'ronda will be my bitch' shirt on! hahahahahah. does it still have juice pooring out its ears? who knows. as all that are pros at cheating say: better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. i wonder if she is on TRT so that her test can be brought to the accepted levels of other men her age since it cant make any more naturaly due to long time abuse like chael and vitor.

btw, wouldnt be riding her so hard if she wasnt a well known long time cheater.
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So she demands respect, but she's humble? And how does this Praline doucher know what Ronda's contract is. Brazilians have proven they are the king of excuses. That cat parasite has taken over that country. Phone Post
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"She knows in her heart people know she's the best. She'll go to Invicta, Japan. She doesn't have anything to prove to anyone"

Bullshit. If you call yourself the best, you DO have to prove it.

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JROTT - Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post
This is more than likely the correct. Phone Post 3.0
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JROTT - Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post
This is more than likely the correct. Phone Post 3.0

If they thought Ronda would win for sure then they would give Cyborg more money? (the thing that stopped this fight from happening)

Does not compute.
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During his prime who didn't Fedor step up to fight?
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UFC pretty much just needs to go ahead and add a 145 division, so if Cyborg wins They'll have fights for her that keep everyone happy. That or take the risk and give Cyborg a shorter contract.

The depth aint there. Ironically there is sustainable depth at 125 and 115, and possibly even 105 now, but 145 is in severe disarray, and the only reason it's not a total wasteland is thanks to Invicta, who has taken on the task of rehabbing it. There are a number of prospects with under 4 pro fights that might turn out to be good, but it'll be a few years before there's the sort of established hierarchy you see at 115, 125, and 135.

Maybe in a couple of years it will be a division worth putting in the UFC, but right now Cyborg would clean out the division of established fighters very quickly.

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can people and the media please stfu about cyborg?! Nobody gives a fuck about that fight or what cyborg thinks/does. Thank you
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dannyapodaca -  Another bullshit dana story. He could have made the fight if he wanted to. But he would just look stupid if his girlftiend would lose. Dana is a fucking idiot and people continue to buy into his bullshit Phone Post

So as a promoter you expect him to just give in to every demand made by someone coming off a PEDs suspension? You sound more like the idiot....

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dannyapodaca -  Another bullshit dana story. He could have made the fight if he wanted to. But he would just look stupid if his girlftiend would lose. Dana is a fucking idiot and people continue to buy into his bullshit Phone Post

So as a promoter you expect him to just give in to every demand made by someone coming off a PEDs suspension? You sound more like the idiot....


All these Cyborg nut huggers are idiots. She has changed her story again, is a disgrace, and who gives a crap anymore.

The UFC can hype up so many other fighters. They took an unknown Liz Carmouche (unknown to the general MMA community) and look how well the event went. Dana still has a ton of other fighters who can sell a fight with Ronda (Miesha Tate, Sarah Kaufman, Maroles Connen, etc).
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.

If you're not smart enough to see what's going on, there's probably no point in continuing a debate.  Dana does not want Cyborg to fight Ronda.  Dana is interested in WMMA for one reason and one reason only.  Ronda Rousey.  If Cyborg comes in and destroys her, which is exactly what would happen, it would be over for him.  Dolce said he can get Cyborg to 135 and her manager said they would attempt it.  Dana realizes it could possibly happen, so he throws out a bullshit 8 fight contract, knowing she won't sign it.  Not one fighter in their right mind would agree to an 8 fight deal with the first being a title shot and then being locked into a shitty contract for the next 3-4 years as champ.  It would have been like Dana offering Nick Diaz a 10 fight deal with $5K +$5K and then when he turns it down saying he was scared of GSP.   Use your head a bit.

Dana, you, I, and everyone know Cyborg is the main challenge to Ronda, which is why it's not happening.  If the fight does happen however, I hope they have a camera on Dana's face while the ref is pulling Cyborg off his cash cow.  The devastation in his eyes would be a gif here for years to come.


Why would it be over if Cyborg beat Rhonda? Someone always eventually beats the champ.
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KingofBJJ - Rousey started out both in Judo and MMA at Cyborg's weight, so the onus is on Ronda to "man up".

Rhonda has a title, guyborg doesn't, Rhonda signed a contract with UFC, so did guyborg who then begged for a release, guyborg is a confirmed cheat and liar, Rhonda isn't, you're STUPID


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