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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.

If you're not smart enough to see what's going on, there's probably no point in continuing a debate.  Dana does not want Cyborg to fight Ronda.  Dana is interested in WMMA for one reason and one reason only.  Ronda Rousey.  If Cyborg comes in and destroys her, which is exactly what would happen, it would be over for him.  Dolce said he can get Cyborg to 135 and her manager said they would attempt it.  Dana realizes it could possibly happen, so he throws out a bullshit 8 fight contract, knowing she won't sign it.  Not one fighter in their right mind would agree to an 8 fight deal with the first being a title shot and then being locked into a shitty contract for the next 3-4 years as champ.  It would have been like Dana offering Nick Diaz a 10 fight deal with $5K +$5K and then when he turns it down saying he was scared of GSP.   Use your head a bit.

Dana, you, I, and everyone know Cyborg is the main challenge to Ronda, which is why it's not happening.  If the fight does happen however, I hope they have a camera on Dana's face while the ref is pulling Cyborg off his cash cow.  The devastation in his eyes would be a gif here for years to come.


Nice conspiracy theory. Brock was his biggest cash cow ever. He comes back after being sick, and then gets matched up with easy opponents like Cain, Overeem, and JDS. GSP is Dana's next biggest cash cow, and he wants to feed him to the far less popular Anderson. If GSP refuses to take that fight, Dana will risk the status of the P4P best fighter in Anderson against Jones. These are clearly the actions of a man protecting his champions. Him trying to sign Cyborg to the UFC so she can fight against Ronda? Well that's just more evidence of him trying to avoid a possible fight. He's obviously doing that only so he can sabotage it.

BTW, it must absolutely kill you that the UFC keeps chugging along as all these supposedly much better orgs keep derailing. I can just imagine how butthurt you'll be if Ronda beats Cyborg in the future. You will probably put all your hopes immediately on someone else beating her. Just as you have been waiting for the UFC to lose to one of their competitors for years. That's all you've got left.
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5/9/13 11:33 PM
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This again...

First Cyborg claims for MONTHS that she can't make 135. Now it's about a lack of building her up and she didn't like the terms.

Cyborg fights at 145 in Invicta, and her last event did under 5,000 buys at 10$ a pop.

Ronda fights at 135 in the UFC and is the champ, and she did over 500,000 buys at 60$ a pop.

Like it or not, there is 0 reason for Ronda to gain 10 pounds and fight a known roider in a division that doesn't exist in the UFC.

Stop the excuses, stop the bullshit. You want to be built up? Drop the weight and take the belt. You want a better contract? Drop the weight and take the belt. Until then, fight lesser competition at Invicta. That's the right move for your career, according to Tito.


Motherfucking knowledge has been dropped.

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5/10/13 12:33 AM
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.

If you're not smart enough to see what's going on, there's probably no point in continuing a debate.  Dana does not want Cyborg to fight Ronda.  Dana is interested in WMMA for one reason and one reason only.  Ronda Rousey.  If Cyborg comes in and destroys her, which is exactly what would happen, it would be over for him.  Dolce said he can get Cyborg to 135 and her manager said they would attempt it.  Dana realizes it could possibly happen, so he throws out a bullshit 8 fight contract, knowing she won't sign it.  Not one fighter in their right mind would agree to an 8 fight deal with the first being a title shot and then being locked into a shitty contract for the next 3-4 years as champ.  It would have been like Dana offering Nick Diaz a 10 fight deal with $5K +$5K and then when he turns it down saying he was scared of GSP.   Use your head a bit.

Dana, you, I, and everyone know Cyborg is the main challenge to Ronda, which is why it's not happening.  If the fight does happen however, I hope they have a camera on Dana's face while the ref is pulling Cyborg off his cash cow.  The devastation in his eyes would be a gif here for years to come.


You may actually have a point, but that is not what her camp came out with at first - they said she couldn't make the weight cut, cited health reasons, and then played the sympathy card saying children.

I don't believe a damn word that comes out of her, Tito's, or any member of her camp says.
5/10/13 12:35 AM
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Make it happen Dana!!! :)

 

5/10/13 12:45 AM
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Chris27 - So first its the weight, she cant make it.

UFC brings in Dolce, she was at weight a day before the weigh ins in her last fight.

Now its not wanting to sign a long term deal.

Now its about money.

Now its about feeling disrespected.


Someone doesnt want this fight and its not Dana/Ronda/UFC.


If you really think both women haven't done everything in their power to avoid this fight you're insane, man.  Sorry.

 

Of course you're right about Cyborg but also remember as soon as people started talking about a match with Cyborg, Ronda came up with a plan to for some reason drop down to 135 and then fight Cyborg later down the road, even though she won he bronze medal at 155.  Then when she won the belt she immediately changed her mind and said Cyborg should come to her and that she would not go up for Cyborg.

Simple fact, neither wants the fight and the person who wants it least?  Dana.  100%


"Ronda came up with a plan to for some reason drop down to 135 and then fight Cyborg later down the road, even though she won he bronze medal at 155. "

No way ronda came up with the plan to make cyborg test positive for steroids?!?!?!
5/10/13 12:55 AM
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Chris27 - So first its the weight, she cant make it.

UFC brings in Dolce, she was at weight a day before the weigh ins in her last fight.

Now its not wanting to sign a long term deal.

Now its about money.

Now its about feeling disrespected.


Someone doesnt want this fight and its not Dana/Ronda/UFC.


If you really think both women haven't done everything in their power to avoid this fight you're insane, man.  Sorry.

 

Of course you're right about Cyborg but also remember as soon as people started talking about a match with Cyborg, Ronda came up with a plan to for some reason drop down to 135 and then fight Cyborg later down the road, even though she won he bronze medal at 155.  Then when she won the belt she immediately changed her mind and said Cyborg should come to her and that she would not go up for Cyborg.

Simple fact, neither wants the fight and the person who wants it least?  Dana.  100%


"Ronda came up with a plan to for some reason drop down to 135 and then fight Cyborg later down the road, even though she won he bronze medal at 155. "

No way ronda came up with the plan to make cyborg test positive for steroids?!?!?!

I don't know why people keep saying Ronda needs to move to fight Cyborg. Ronda is a the champion, Cyborg has not. Ronda has won all her fights legitimately, Cyborg has not. Ronda is making tons of money in the UFC, Cyborg is not.

Lastly, Dana can keep hyping up fighters for bigger PPV than Cyborg will get in Invitica.
5/10/13 1:54 AM
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oh look!it has a 'ronda will be my bitch' shirt on! hahahahahah. does it still have juice pooring out its ears? who knows. as all that are pros at cheating say: better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. i wonder if she is on TRT so that her test can be brought to the accepted levels of other men her age since it cant make any more naturaly due to long time abuse like chael and vitor.

btw, wouldnt be riding her so hard if she wasnt a well known long time cheater.
5/10/13 7:15 AM
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So she demands respect, but she's humble? And how does this Praline doucher know what Ronda's contract is. Brazilians have proven they are the king of excuses. That cat parasite has taken over that country. Phone Post
5/10/13 7:31 AM
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"She knows in her heart people know she's the best. She'll go to Invicta, Japan. She doesn't have anything to prove to anyone"

Bullshit. If you call yourself the best, you DO have to prove it.

5/10/13 8:50 AM
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JROTT - Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post
This is more than likely the correct. Phone Post 3.0
5/10/13 9:04 AM
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JROTT - Doesn't anybody realize that Ronda is their girl, and they're gonna make it next to impossible for cyborg to sign and fight since she'd beat Ronda's ass. If they thought Ronda would win for sure then the deal would be done already Phone Post
This is more than likely the correct. Phone Post 3.0

If they thought Ronda would win for sure then they would give Cyborg more money? (the thing that stopped this fight from happening)

Does not compute.
5/10/13 9:48 AM
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During his prime who didn't Fedor step up to fight?
5/10/13 10:19 AM
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UFC pretty much just needs to go ahead and add a 145 division, so if Cyborg wins They'll have fights for her that keep everyone happy. That or take the risk and give Cyborg a shorter contract.

The depth aint there. Ironically there is sustainable depth at 125 and 115, and possibly even 105 now, but 145 is in severe disarray, and the only reason it's not a total wasteland is thanks to Invicta, who has taken on the task of rehabbing it. There are a number of prospects with under 4 pro fights that might turn out to be good, but it'll be a few years before there's the sort of established hierarchy you see at 115, 125, and 135.

Maybe in a couple of years it will be a division worth putting in the UFC, but right now Cyborg would clean out the division of established fighters very quickly.

5/10/13 11:58 AM
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can people and the media please stfu about cyborg?! Nobody gives a fuck about that fight or what cyborg thinks/does. Thank you
5/10/13 12:03 PM
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dannyapodaca -  Another bullshit dana story. He could have made the fight if he wanted to. But he would just look stupid if his girlftiend would lose. Dana is a fucking idiot and people continue to buy into his bullshit Phone Post

So as a promoter you expect him to just give in to every demand made by someone coming off a PEDs suspension? You sound more like the idiot....

5/10/13 12:09 PM
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dannyapodaca -  Another bullshit dana story. He could have made the fight if he wanted to. But he would just look stupid if his girlftiend would lose. Dana is a fucking idiot and people continue to buy into his bullshit Phone Post

So as a promoter you expect him to just give in to every demand made by someone coming off a PEDs suspension? You sound more like the idiot....


All these Cyborg nut huggers are idiots. She has changed her story again, is a disgrace, and who gives a crap anymore.

The UFC can hype up so many other fighters. They took an unknown Liz Carmouche (unknown to the general MMA community) and look how well the event went. Dana still has a ton of other fighters who can sell a fight with Ronda (Miesha Tate, Sarah Kaufman, Maroles Connen, etc).
5/10/13 12:11 PM
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Jsteven - I don't get negotiating with no leverage, cut the weight fuck Rousey up and then your champion and deserve big money. Before this fight offer she was a 145 lber who got popped for roids. Tito certainly isn't helping matters. Phone Post 3.0

No, they are asking her to sign an 8 fight contract.  If she beats Rousey, she does not get big money, because she's stuck in the contender contract for the next 7 fights and roughly 3.5 years.  No other fighter would sign an 8 fight deal with the first fight being a title shot.  Dana knew this.  He doesn't want Cyborg vs Ronda.

DRS172-  Fedor was 10 times the MMA fighter and star that Cyborg is, yet the UFC refused to cave into M-1's demands. But Tito somehow thinks he has the leverage here? Good luck with that plan.

 

The comparison is that they are/were both the #1 fighters in the world.  Not shocking that you couldn't understand that.

 

So what makes Cyborg so special that Dana would cave into her demands? He didn't do it with Fedor. Or Randy. Or even Cyborg's own manager Tito. That's what makes this whole thing so stupid and pointless. Tito knows that a fighter will never be more important than the brand. Don't like it? Too bad. The UFC simply moves on and continues to make money without you.

If you're not smart enough to see what's going on, there's probably no point in continuing a debate.  Dana does not want Cyborg to fight Ronda.  Dana is interested in WMMA for one reason and one reason only.  Ronda Rousey.  If Cyborg comes in and destroys her, which is exactly what would happen, it would be over for him.  Dolce said he can get Cyborg to 135 and her manager said they would attempt it.  Dana realizes it could possibly happen, so he throws out a bullshit 8 fight contract, knowing she won't sign it.  Not one fighter in their right mind would agree to an 8 fight deal with the first being a title shot and then being locked into a shitty contract for the next 3-4 years as champ.  It would have been like Dana offering Nick Diaz a 10 fight deal with $5K +$5K and then when he turns it down saying he was scared of GSP.   Use your head a bit.

Dana, you, I, and everyone know Cyborg is the main challenge to Ronda, which is why it's not happening.  If the fight does happen however, I hope they have a camera on Dana's face while the ref is pulling Cyborg off his cash cow.  The devastation in his eyes would be a gif here for years to come.


Why would it be over if Cyborg beat Rhonda? Someone always eventually beats the champ.
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KingofBJJ - Rousey started out both in Judo and MMA at Cyborg's weight, so the onus is on Ronda to "man up".

Rhonda has a title, guyborg doesn't, Rhonda signed a contract with UFC, so did guyborg who then begged for a release, guyborg is a confirmed cheat and liar, Rhonda isn't, you're STUPID

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I think Cyborg really believes she can get the UFC to create a 145lb division for her because of the perception she and the people around her have that she is a really big star.

The problem is that she isn't. She doesn't have that singular drawing ability someone like Ronda has. And the 145lb division doesn't have the fighters like the 135lb division does.

That is one of the reasons why I keep preaching that Ronda dropping down to 135lbs is one of the more pivotal decisions in WMMA history. Because of the depth in that division it negated Dana's previous criticism of WMMA, which was lack of depth.

The Women's division was no longer a gamble to go forward with for the UFC. You had a 135lb division with actual depth and a very marketable star on top of it.

The UFC wasn't going to bank on one single star like EliteXC (Kimbo) or Affliction/M1 (Fedor).

Originally it look like they might, but just looking at how this division is playing out...it looks like it is being built up better than the current UFC Flyweight division.

Cyborg should not expect the UFC to create a division for her like Strikeforce did because there is a lack of depth and she doesn't have the star power of a fighter like Ronda.
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dannyapodaca -  Another bullshit dana story. He could have made the fight if he wanted to. But he would just look stupid if his girlftiend would lose. Dana is a fucking idiot and people continue to buy into his bullshit Phone Post

Cyborg's camp insisted before that it was physically impossible for her to make 135 without damaging her health. But now that's a nonissue, and the deal was turned down simply because she was disrespected by the UFC? I agree with clattymine. This fight will probably never happen, because Tito and Cyborg believe they hold all the power. Problem is that if she loses in the future, she loses the little bit of leverage she has now.
Sounds like fedor and M1. Phone Post
5/10/13 1:08 PM
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JJLong - I think Cyborg really believes she can get the UFC to create a 145lb division for her because of the perception she and the people around her have that she is a really big star.

The problem is that she isn't. She doesn't have that singular drawing ability someone like Ronda has. And the 145lb division doesn't have the fighters like the 135lb division does.

That is one of the reasons why I keep preaching that Ronda dropping down to 135lbs is one of the more pivotal decisions in WMMA history. Because of the depth in that division it negated Dana's previous criticism of WMMA, which was lack of depth.

The Women's division was no longer a gamble to go forward with for the UFC. You had a 135lb division with actual depth and a very marketable star on top of it.

The UFC wasn't going to bank on one single star like EliteXC (Kimbo) or Affliction/M1 (Fedor).

Originally it look like they might, but just looking at how this division is playing out...it looks like it is being built up better than the current UFC Flyweight division.

Cyborg should not expect the UFC to create a division for her like Strikeforce did because there is a lack of depth and she doesn't have the star power of a fighter like Ronda.
Agreed and very well stated. Phone Post
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The only fear Dana might have of cyborg is a champ in a brand new division that got to where she is by doing so many roids that she literally looks and sounds like a man. Then having this brand new champ gets busted again for roids right after winning. (admit it nuthuggers, it's just a matter of time before she gets popped again). Phone Post
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KingofBJJ - Rousey started out both in Judo and MMA at Cyborg's weight, so the onus is on Ronda to "man up".

Rhonda has a title, guyborg doesn't, Rhonda signed a contract with UFC, so did guyborg who then begged for a release, guyborg is a confirmed cheat and liar, Rhonda isn't, you're STUPID


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JJLong - I think Cyborg really believes she can get the UFC to create a 145lb division for her because of the perception she and the people around her have that she is a really big star.

The problem is that she isn't. She doesn't have that singular drawing ability someone like Ronda has. And the 145lb division doesn't have the fighters like the 135lb division does.

That is one of the reasons why I keep preaching that Ronda dropping down to 135lbs is one of the more pivotal decisions in WMMA history. Because of the depth in that division it negated Dana's previous criticism of WMMA, which was lack of depth.

The Women's division was no longer a gamble to go forward with for the UFC. You had a 135lb division with actual depth and a very marketable star on top of it.

The UFC wasn't going to bank on one single star like EliteXC (Kimbo) or Affliction/M1 (Fedor).

Originally it look like they might, but just looking at how this division is playing out...it looks like it is being built up better than the current UFC Flyweight division.

Cyborg should not expect the UFC to create a division for her like Strikeforce did because there is a lack of depth and she doesn't have the star power of a fighter like Ronda.
Agreed and very well stated. Phone Post

"The UFC wasn't going to bank on one single star like EliteXC (Kimbo) or Affliction/M1 (Fedor)."

Thats exactly what they are doing with Ronda.  If Liz Carmouche had finished that RNC, do you honestly think she'd be headlining PPV cards and starring in the upcoming season of TUF?  Dana's entire focus in WMMA is Ronda.


If Liz won, no she wouldn't be headlining PPV cards, but that wouldn't kill off the division like some people believe it would have. Liz just isn't the same star as Ronda is. The womens division would have then been in the same company as the men's 125 and 135 divisions. Headling free TV cards because the casuals will not pay for those Championship fights with current champions like Barao and Mighty Mouse.

You could tell by the way Dana talked about Liz doing all the promotion for the fight, that he was looking beyond just Ronda at that point.

And as I said, it at first appeared that UFC was going to bank the division all on Ronda, but look at what they have done since then. All the women's fights being booked shows that they really want to build up other names and challengers.

If they weren't invested beyond Ronda, they wouldn't be having women on TUF. Just look at the current format of TUF from the previous season. The focus was on the fighters, not really the coaches. They are using Ronda's name to get other fighters more exposure to the audience.

If the division has a star, you have to build around that star. Banking on Ronda would be having nothing but Ronda fights and the occasional #1 contender fight.

The UFC is doing something completely different that what EliteXC and Affliction did with Kimbo and Fedor.

The UFC is building up the women's division, again as I said, even better than the current UFC 125lb division. They are building something.

All EliteXC and Afflication were doing was taking one show at a time.


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