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5/9/13 12:25 PM
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Between an MMA fighter and a boxer:

- In a boxing match, the boxer wins easily.

- Everywhere else (MMA cage, kickboxing ring, street fight, bar brawl, etc.), the boxer gets murdered.

Simple as that.


really
just like don fyre got ko'd in secounds by his 50 year old boxing coach


boxers win in boxing
mma wins in mma

kick boxing it depends

in a street also depends on the environment
because real fights are quick and dirty
a boxer might ko an mma guy before the mma guy even
knows he is in a fight

but it can go the other way...ofcourse
and if you think real fights are fair
you never been in one

real fights happen on the street
not rings or cage

in places like
malls,night clubs,parking lots,bars etc
and are very often not 1-1

and every boxer i have ever know has done well in fights
why?
because punching is the most thing in a real fight
that last between 2-30 secounds


all this being said yes mma fighters have more weapons for the street too
BUT

has good church boy jon jones
ever been in a real fight
i doubt it

his reach and all would seem different
once some drunk asshole smashes a beer bottle on his head from behind as jones was manhandling the drunk guy's friend

thats real fighting
5/9/13 12:44 PM
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Johnny D - The only thing that boxing and MMA have in common is that they are both combat sports, that's where the similarities end.

But I would like to add that being familiar with both I believe that MMA fighters can still benefit from a better understanding of boxing than what we have seen in the evolution of the sport up to now, not so the other way around as boxing has its own set of rules and is a single discipline.

And if I recall correctly Jones had trouble with Machida's striking, if Jones thinks his hands are as good as Mayweather's in a "hands only" boxing sense he's absolutely delusional. Phone Post 3.0

Yeah but machida is over 6 foot and 200 pounds and a karate master . Mayweather is maybe 5'8 and 147 pounds, what could he do to jones with his hands in a fight? KO him? No friggen way.

If you don't think a profession boxer at Mayweather's weight can knock out someone Jone's size, you need to just shut up because clearly you are clueless.

It isn't called the "sweet science" for nothing. Boxers may weather size use the sweet techinque of pivoting, weight shifting and fist movement to deliver several hundred pounds of force.

It doesn't take that much force to knock anyone out, as long as you hit them squarely on the temple or corner of the chin.

Jesus, no wonder Boxers and their fans think MMA fans are complete idiots.

You understand that jones wouldnt even need to be the better boxer in a match vs maywether, right? All he would need is a jab. Floyd would never get past jones' jab, wouldnt get close to his chin. This is silly.
5/9/13 1:16 PM
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What kind of boxing argument is this? Doesn't anybody remember Rocky Balboa training so hard in Russia that he was almost a cruiserweight when he defeated the much larger Drago? Phone Post
5/9/13 1:20 PM
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Johnny D - The only thing that boxing and MMA have in common is that they are both combat sports, that's where the similarities end.

But I would like to add that being familiar with both I believe that MMA fighters can still benefit from a better understanding of boxing than what we have seen in the evolution of the sport up to now, not so the other way around as boxing has its own set of rules and is a single discipline.

And if I recall correctly Jones had trouble with Machida's striking, if Jones thinks his hands are as good as Mayweather's in a "hands only" boxing sense he's absolutely delusional. Phone Post 3.0

Yeah but machida is over 6 foot and 200 pounds and a karate master . Mayweather is maybe 5'8 and 147 pounds, what could he do to jones with his hands in a fight? KO him? No friggen way.

If you don't think a profession boxer at Mayweather's weight can knock out someone Jone's size, you need to just shut up because clearly you are clueless.

It isn't called the "sweet science" for nothing. Boxers may weather size use the sweet techinque of pivoting, weight shifting and fist movement to deliver several hundred pounds of force.

It doesn't take that much force to knock anyone out, as long as you hit them squarely on the temple or corner of the chin.

Jesus, no wonder Boxers and their fans think MMA fans are complete idiots.

You understand that jones wouldnt even need to be the better boxer in a match vs maywether, right? All he would need is a jab. Floyd would never get past jones' jab, wouldnt get close to his chin. This is silly.
It is silly, I keep having images of Bruce Lee fighting Kareem A. Jabbar. With size discrepancies that big the little guy wins only in movies. Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 1:55 PM
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Jon Jones would beat Floyd at boxing, IMO.

They can certainly spar.

5/9/13 1:57 PM
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Vulva Fabulous -  What kind of boxing argument is this? Doesn't anybody remember Rocky Balboa training so hard in Russia that he was almost a cruiserweight when he defeated the much larger Drago? Phone Post

Careful, pal. You don't want to get banned from these forums, do you?

5/9/13 2:00 PM
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KingofBJJ - I think that point Boxers are trying to make is that they are the best when it comes to the hands. So when they go into the ring, they are expecting you to try to box with them.

It is absurd to think any boxer, without any Martial Arts or grappling training thinks he can walz past those techniques to a win.

No, there are many educated MMA fans who grew up to Boxing, and someone such as myself competed/trained in it. On the other hand, I’ve heard some of the dumbest things from Boxing fans (only), who has the archaic view of fighting is only with your hands. Many MMA fans at least view fighting from different lenses and the multiple possibilities of being efficient.

That being said, I don’t believe someone like Mayweather can just straight lace someone like Jon who not only has a very significant size advantage but if he focused strictly on his boxing and neglected everything else for a long period of time, I’m sure his jab will be effective enough to keep Mayweather at bay, forcing him to get away from the counter boxing mode. Mayweather is one of the best boxers I’ve ever seen, skill for skill, but there is such a size and reach disparity that its hard to imagine Mayweather tooling Jones from bell to bell for 12 rounds without being tagged at all.
5/9/13 2:02 PM
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5/9/13 2:03 PM
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Mayweather would easily bob and weave landing a couple of body shots that will make Jones squirm and one to the chin and its lights out. Jones wouldn't be able to land effective punches because Floyd's way too fast. Even being the smaller fighter Mayweather would have more power, just because Jones is bigger doesn't automatically means he hits harder, it takes many years to acquire the skills to throw effectively. Plus Jone's boxing in MMA isn't even that good, his success standing comes mostly from kicks, knees and elbows, not boxing.
5/9/13 2:03 PM
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I think he means PRO mma fighter...because everyone and theyre dog claim to trane mma these days......
5/9/13 2:09 PM
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I personally feel Jones would get embarrassed in a boxing match against Floyd, all he would have is reach which I don't think he would be able to use it how he wants, it's not like jones has a good solid jab. Mayweather would use his movement create angles and find his way on the inside and score points...on the other hand in mma Mayweather would be schooled by anyone from flyweights to HW, all it would take would be a few leg kicks and then take him down and either pound him out or submit him...

don't get me wrong though I feel there are some mma fighters that can box with a boxer maybe a journeyman, just not an elite boxer and vice versa I'm sure there are some boxers out there who may have wrestled when they were in school and wouldn't be completely out of their element against a mma fighter... Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 2:12 PM
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Johnny D - The only thing that boxing and MMA have in common is that they are both combat sports, that's where the similarities end.

But I would like to add that being familiar with both I believe that MMA fighters can still benefit from a better understanding of boxing than what we have seen in the evolution of the sport up to now, not so the other way around as boxing has its own set of rules and is a single discipline.

And if I recall correctly Jones had trouble with Machida's striking, if Jones thinks his hands are as good as Mayweather's in a "hands only" boxing sense he's absolutely delusional. Phone Post 3.0

Completely agree that MMA fighters, which I would assume is the case, learn Boxing specifically to understand the technique, combinations, footwork and all the skills required to be a competent boxer. Then it will become more useful once applied into MMA.
5/9/13 3:31 PM
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Vulva Fabulous -  What kind of boxing argument is this? Doesn't anybody remember Rocky Balboa training so hard in Russia that he was almost a cruiserweight when he defeated the much larger Drago? Phone Post

Careful, pal. You don't want to get banned from these forums, do you?

My apologies sir Phone Post
5/9/13 5:28 PM
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Johnny D - The only thing that boxing and MMA have in common is that they are both combat sports, that's where the similarities end.

But I would like to add that being familiar with both I believe that MMA fighters can still benefit from a better understanding of boxing than what we have seen in the evolution of the sport up to now, not so the other way around as boxing has its own set of rules and is a single discipline.

And if I recall correctly Jones had trouble with Machida's striking, if Jones thinks his hands are as good as Mayweather's in a "hands only" boxing sense he's absolutely delusional. Phone Post 3.0

Completely agree that MMA fighters, which I would assume is the case, learn Boxing specifically to understand the technique, combinations, footwork and all the skills required to be a competent boxer. Then it will become more useful once applied into MMA.
Nice to see someone understands, Not that others don't, it's just you did a real good job in communicating what I meant. Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 5:33 PM
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Between an MMA fighter and a boxer:

- In a boxing match, the boxer wins easily.

- Everywhere else (MMA cage, kickboxing ring, street fight, bar brawl, etc.), the boxer gets murdered.

Simple as that.


really
just like don fyre got ko'd in secounds by his 50 year old boxing coach


boxers win in boxing
mma wins in mma

kick boxing it depends

in a street also depends on the environment
because real fights are quick and dirty
a boxer might ko an mma guy before the mma guy even
knows he is in a fight

but it can go the other way...ofcourse
and if you think real fights are fair
you never been in one

real fights happen on the street
not rings or cage

in places like
malls,night clubs,parking lots,bars etc
and are very often not 1-1

and every boxer i have ever know has done well in fights
why?
because punching is the most thing in a real fight
that last between 2-30 secounds


all this being said yes mma fighters have more weapons for the street too
BUT

has good church boy jon jones
ever been in a real fight
i doubt it

his reach and all would seem different
once some drunk asshole smashes a beer bottle on his head from behind as jones was manhandling the drunk guy's friend

thats real fighting
Have you ever been Rochester?

I heard a story from about 10 years ago when a burglar attempted to break into the family home. He ended up taking three New York State Champion beatings halfway down the street... Lost an eye and is now confined to a wheelchair Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 5:34 PM
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KingofBJJ - Jones said, "To be honest with you, if it was all hands, it would probably be a pretty competitive match. But that's not fighting, either. You can't be at the bar and be like, alright, no kicking, no taking me down,"

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Uh yes you can, and in most fights, people surrounding the fight will jump in to stand you up or will take action against someone fighting "dirty".


You watch too many movies.
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No one who understands boxing gives Jones a snowball's chance in hell in a boxing match vs Floyd.

floyd would outland Jones by an order of magnitude, and no way can Jones handle 12 rounds ate the pace necessary to pressure Floyd.

Floyd by landslide humiliation, knockout, or Jones quitting on the stool/towel thrown.

In the octagon? It goes as long as it takes Jones to put floyd up against the cage, then it's a grapplerape.
5/9/13 7:02 PM
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Also, Jones needs to take advantage of at least a few of the opportunities he's presented to shut the hell up. Unlike Chael, I actually think Jones believes his own hype.

Either go humble, or go flamboyantly arrogant (a la Ali) -- this fake humble arrogance grates.
5/9/13 7:07 PM
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lol Jones could jab Floyd from accross the ring. give me a break. None of his defensive moves would matter, Jones is lanky as fuck he will sink that punch in from the dumbest angles.

5/9/13 7:08 PM
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GarlicSauce -

Between an MMA fighter and a boxer:

- In a boxing match, the boxer wins easily.

- Everywhere else (MMA cage, kickboxing ring, street fight, bar brawl, etc.), the boxer gets murdered.

Simple as that.

This. Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 7:14 PM
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Just do a four round fight, Stagger the rounds, two rounds boxing rules, two rounds MMA rules. Even let the boxer have their round first if they want. Whichever fighting discipline finishes, is the best for fighting, and that fighter is the best at their discipline.
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These threads bring out the most retarded comments I've ever heard, anywhere.

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KingofBJJ - Jones said, "To be honest with you, if it was all hands, it would probably be a pretty competitive match. But that's not fighting, either. You can't be at the bar and be like, alright, no kicking, no taking me down,"

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Uh yes you can, and in most fights, people surrounding the fight will jump in to stand you up or will take action against someone fighting "dirty".


Do you really believe that?
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joe canada - No one who understands boxing gives Jones a snowball's chance in hell in a boxing match vs Floyd.

floyd would outland Jones by an order of magnitude, and no way can Jones handle 12 rounds ate the pace necessary to pressure Floyd.

Floyd by landslide humiliation, knockout, or Jones quitting on the stool/towel thrown.

In the octagon? It goes as long as it takes Jones to put floyd up against the cage, then it's a grapplerape.

With elbows and punches smashing your face, and possibly choked unconscious. Then being grappleraped is the last thing I would ever want in a fight.

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