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5/9/13 7:55 PM
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joe canada - No one who understands boxing gives Jones a snowball's chance in hell in a boxing match vs Floyd.

floyd would outland Jones by an order of magnitude, and no way can Jones handle 12 rounds ate the pace necessary to pressure Floyd.

Floyd by landslide humiliation, knockout, or Jones quitting on the stool/towel thrown.

In the octagon? It goes as long as it takes Jones to put floyd up against the cage, then it's a grapplerape.

With elbows and punches smashing your face, and possibly choked unconscious. Then being grappleraped is the last thing I would ever want in a fight.

Basically, in MMA, taking them down is the only option? Tell that to someone like Aldo.
5/9/13 7:57 PM
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Between an MMA fighter and a boxer:

- In a boxing match, the boxer wins easily.

- Everywhere else (MMA cage, kickboxing ring, street fight, bar brawl, etc.), the boxer gets murdered.

Simple as that.

This. Phone Post 3.0

Exactly, it really doesn't have to be that in depth.
5/9/13 7:58 PM
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Between an MMA fighter and a boxer:

- In a boxing match, the boxer wins easily.

- Everywhere else (MMA cage, kickboxing ring, street fight, bar brawl, etc.), the boxer gets murdered.

Simple as that.


really
just like don fyre got ko'd in secounds by his 50 year old boxing coach


boxers win in boxing
mma wins in mma

kick boxing it depends

in a street also depends on the environment
because real fights are quick and dirty
a boxer might ko an mma guy before the mma guy even
knows he is in a fight

but it can go the other way...ofcourse
and if you think real fights are fair
you never been in one

real fights happen on the street
not rings or cage

in places like
malls,night clubs,parking lots,bars etc
and are very often not 1-1

and every boxer i have ever know has done well in fights
why?
because punching is the most thing in a real fight
that last between 2-30 secounds


all this being said yes mma fighters have more weapons for the street too
BUT

has good church boy jon jones
ever been in a real fight
i doubt it

his reach and all would seem different
once some drunk asshole smashes a beer bottle on his head from behind as jones was manhandling the drunk guy's friend

thats real fighting

5/9/13 8:16 PM
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Kostakio - 
GarlicSauce -

Between an MMA fighter and a boxer:

- In a boxing match, the boxer wins easily.

- Everywhere else (MMA cage, kickboxing ring, street fight, bar brawl, etc.), the boxer gets murdered.

Simple as that.

This. Phone Post 3.0

No. It's not as simple as that my friend. I'm an MMA fighter (amateur but hope to fight professionally at some point) who focuses mostly on his boxing and I've been in quite a few street fights ranging from organised ones to fights at parties where I was drunk. I feel like I know a lot about MMA and street fights and quite a lot about boxing too.

Between an MMA fighter and a boxer, who weigh the same, in various situations it would likely go more like this:

Boxing - Boxer would easily win. Simple as that.

MMA - MMA fighter would win easily as long as he takes the boxer down. The MMA fighter could also win standing if he were able to negate the boxers boxing skills although this is a tall order and could go very wrong.

Muay Thai / Kickboxing - Most people think that an MMA fighter would win in this situation but I'm not so sure. A boxer would spend 100% of his time on hands / standup, whereas a MMA fighters time would LIKELY be dispersed at around 25% on boxing, 25% on muay thai, 25% on wrestling and 25% on BJJ so 50% overall on striking. Therefore, a boxers 100% striking would be up against a MMA fighters 50% striking so more than likely the MMA fighter would find it difficult to overcome the boxers hands as his striking skills simply might not be good enough to do so, however whether or not the boxer would be able to deal with the leg kicks, knees and elbows would surely make it very competitive standing. Having said that I believe a muay thai fighter / kickboxer would win 9/10 times as they spend 100% of their time doing just that.

Street - There are a ridiculous number of variables in a street fight so it is almost impossible to predict what would happen but there are a set of fairly likely outcomes between a boxer and a MMA fighter. In one scenario it is possible that the MMA fighter would be unaware that he is fighting a boxer and try boxing with him in which case he might be knocked out. However, if the MMA fighter knew he was fighting a boxer he could simply take him down or at least avoid being knocked out until he realises he is fighting a boxer and take the necessary actions to win the fight whether that be utilising muay thai skills or taking the boxer down. Of course variables like friends, weapons, weather and location (is it sunny and hot causing you to wear shorts or is it cold causing you to wear jeans) could all have great effect on the outcome of the fight. In my opinion though the MMA fighter would win 7 or 8 out of 10 times as they are better able to handle the number of circumstances they could be put in and are equipped with many more tools. Having said that though boxing would probably be more useful against fighting multiple opponents IN TERMS OF OFFENCE as it is the quickest and most efficient way of causing damage. Although MMA would be very useful IN TERMS OF DEFENCE as MMA fighters would be much better able to avoid being taken down and pummelled by a group of people or at least get up if taken down.

On another note Jon Jones is delusional if he thinks a boxing match between him and Mayweather would be competitive. Floyd is arguably the best at his craft and would simply be too quick and far far too technical, Jones would not land a single punch IMO.
5/9/13 8:19 PM
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All I care about is Jones touting our sport.
5/9/13 8:29 PM
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They would both murder the other in their respective sports.

Comparing them would be pointless.

I would add though that boxing is highly specialized. The chances of any MMA fighter doing well against a top boxer in a boxing match are almost nil. Its equivalent to Jon Jones challenging Maia or Jacare in a BJJ match. Or Cyborg challenging Ronda to Judo. Phone Post
5/9/13 8:33 PM
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Johnny D - The only thing that boxing and MMA have in common is that they are both combat sports, that's where the similarities end.

But I would like to add that being familiar with both I believe that MMA fighters can still benefit from a better understanding of boxing than what we have seen in the evolution of the sport up to now, not so the other way around as boxing has its own set of rules and is a single discipline.

And if I recall correctly Jones had trouble with Machida's striking, if Jones thinks his hands are as good as Mayweather's in a "hands only" boxing sense he's absolutely delusional. Phone Post 3.0

Yeah but machida is over 6 foot and 200 pounds and a karate master . Mayweather is maybe 5'8 and 147 pounds, what could he do to jones with his hands in a fight? KO him? No friggen way.

If you don't think a profession boxer at Mayweather's weight can knock out someone Jone's size, you need to just shut up because clearly you are clueless.

It isn't called the "sweet science" for nothing. Boxers may weather size use the sweet techinque of pivoting, weight shifting and fist movement to deliver several hundred pounds of force.

It doesn't take that much force to knock anyone out, as long as you hit them squarely on the temple or corner of the chin.

Jesus, no wonder Boxers and their fans think MMA fans are complete idiots.

You understand that jones wouldnt even need to be the better boxer in a match vs maywether, right? All he would need is a jab. Floyd would never get past jones' jab, wouldnt get close to his chin. This is silly.
It is silly, I keep having images of Bruce Lee fighting Kareem A. Jabbar. With size discrepancies that big the little guy wins only in movies. Phone Post 3.0

Watch Igor vs Varelans, noob
5/9/13 8:42 PM
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Johnny D - The only thing that boxing and MMA have in common is that they are both combat sports, that's where the similarities end.

But I would like to add that being familiar with both I believe that MMA fighters can still benefit from a better understanding of boxing than what we have seen in the evolution of the sport up to now, not so the other way around as boxing has its own set of rules and is a single discipline.

And if I recall correctly Jones had trouble with Machida's striking, if Jones thinks his hands are as good as Mayweather's in a "hands only" boxing sense he's absolutely delusional. Phone Post 3.0

Yeah but machida is over 6 foot and 200 pounds and a karate master . Mayweather is maybe 5'8 and 147 pounds, what could he do to jones with his hands in a fight? KO him? No friggen way.

If you don't think a profession boxer at Mayweather's weight can knock out someone Jone's size, you need to just shut up because clearly you are clueless.

It isn't called the "sweet science" for nothing. Boxers may weather size use the sweet techinque of pivoting, weight shifting and fist movement to deliver several hundred pounds of force.

It doesn't take that much force to knock anyone out, as long as you hit them squarely on the temple or corner of the chin.

Jesus, no wonder Boxers and their fans think MMA fans are complete idiots.

You understand that jones wouldnt even need to be the better boxer in a match vs maywether, right? All he would need is a jab. Floyd would never get past jones' jab, wouldnt get close to his chin. This is silly.
It is silly, I keep having images of Bruce Lee fighting Kareem A. Jabbar. With size discrepancies that big the little guy wins only in movies. Phone Post 3.0

Watch Igor vs Varelans, noob
That wasn't a boxer fighting a MMA fight, noooob, you're funny, funny like a clown. Phone Post 3.0
5/9/13 8:55 PM
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KingofBJJ - Jones said, "To be honest with you, if it was all hands, it would probably be a pretty competitive match. But that's not fighting, either. You can't be at the bar and be like, alright, no kicking, no taking me down,"

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Uh yes you can, and in most fights, people surrounding the fight will jump in to stand you up or will take action against someone fighting "dirty".


No.  You cannot, Jones is correct.

"In most fights, people surrounding the fight will jump in to stand you up or will take action against someone fighting dirty"? 

I don't know where you are from, but I have not seen the scenario you describe since grade-school.

I threw folks out of bars for nearly 3-decades in Houston, San Marcos, San Antonio.  As an adult, I have never seen folks "jump in to stand you up" or "take action against someone fighting dirty".

Either of those particular actions and you would just be another combatant. 

The vast overwhelming majority of people will not lift a finger or do anything more than gawk at a street/bar fight, while trying to get out of the way.

 

 

 

 

This Jones/Mayweather, MMA vs Boxing discussion is the same old, same old.  Same size pros, the boxer wins at strictly boxing, the MMA guy wins in the cage or street.

 

5/10/13 12:29 AM
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i think Larry Brown is an avid pro wrestling fan who also believes pro wrestling to be 'real'. why else would he ask such a stupid question?
5/10/13 12:38 AM
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Where do guys like KJ Noons fit into this discussion?
5/10/13 12:40 AM
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Gabe Sacchetti - I personally feel Jones would get embarrassed in a boxing match against Floyd, all he would have is reach which I don't think he would be able to use it how he wants, it's not like jones has a good solid jab. Mayweather would use his movement create angles and find his way on the inside and score points...on the other hand in mma Mayweather would be schooled by anyone from flyweights to HW, all it would take would be a few leg kicks and then take him down and either pound him out or submit him...

don't get me wrong though I feel there are some mma fighters that can box with a boxer maybe a journeyman, just not an elite boxer and vice versa I'm sure there are some boxers out there who may have wrestled when they were in school and wouldn't be completely out of their element against a mma fighter... Phone Post 3.0

Like Kermit Cintron, whom Dana blew off. (I'm obviously still pissed about that, heh.)
5/10/13 12:40 AM
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Why should we assume that an MMA fighter's hand game would not change to adapt to the differences of boxing. Look at the pro boxers who have had success in MMA. Their hand game is different from boxing when they are in an MMA fight because it's a different sport. To say a top MMA fighter has no ability to tighten his hands for boxing optimization is insane. These guys are skilled.
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It would be like witnessing a Pitbull vs. Chihuahua dog fight.

 

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SouthernGent - Actually in the cage so far it has been proven to be 50/50

MMA wins: Jimmerson, Toney
Boxing wins: Mercer, Mayorga

Mercer got choked out by Kimbo fucking Slice. Yes he beat the most out of shape, looked like he was near suicide Tim Sylvia that just had his career completely derailed by Big Nog & Fedor (stealer of fighter souls)
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saying that jones would even do ok in a boxing match against floyd makes no sense to me. i think floyd would do to him what jones would do to floyd in any other style of fight... destruction.
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if jbj was to boxe someone his own size, i would give the edge to the boxer...
but against a guy 100 lbs lighter and a foot less reach !! get real guys !! size does matters in combat sports... moreso in boxing where there're so many weight classes.
in boxing jbj wins by KO, after looking goofy at times against arguably one of the most technical boxers alive...
in mma, not even close ... bones would spread pbf cheeks only to ram c*ck deeper !!
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Yeah, but is this Mayweather in his PRIME we're talking about? I mean, he might be at the end of his prime, but what about in the MIDDLE of it, like the PRIME of his PRIME? Not sure JJ could handle it, as he's really at the BEGINNING of his PRIME...it's a better fight if both guys are in the PRIME of their PRIME. All styled and primed and rhymed-up and well versed and shit.
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"This Jones/Mayweather, MMA vs Boxing discussion is the same old, same old. Same size pros, the boxer wins at strictly boxing, the MMA guy wins in the cage or street."

For a bouncer, you sure have a simplified view of street altercations. Floyd rolls with a 20 man crew including bodyguards, some of them have guns. Infact one of his bodyguards was wanted by the cops for a shooting at a vegas club a few years back

A streetfight between them wouldnt involve Floyd and Jones squaring off like in an 80s Michael Jackson music video.
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I think Mayweather wins in a boxing match as well, but I am loling so hard at the retards saying Floyd KOs Jones. He doesnt KO fucking anyone even at his weight.
5/10/13 5:27 AM
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Mayweather would light Jones up in a boxing match, KO for sure, to think otherwise is crazy. Opposite goes for MMA. End of discussion can we leave it now? It's just stupid, it's like asking if Usain Bolt could win the marathon.

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Fuck me , people acting like boxers posses the death touch is fucking mental . Yeah sure Mayweather KO's Jones , of course he does.

Edit:

And let me just make opinion clear here. if they had a boxing match Mayweather would win on points, but to say that he would KO Jones is fucking crazy. If you believe that you are living in LA-LA Land.
5/10/13 7:19 AM
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MysteriousNinjaFromMars - Fuck me , people acting like boxers posses the death touch is fucking mental . Yeah sure Mayweather KO's Jones , of course he does.

Edit:

And let me just make opinion clear here. if they had a boxing match Mayweather would win on points, but to say that he would KO Jones is fucking crazy. If you believe that you are living in LA-LA Land.

Floyd ain't just any boxer though, love him or hate him, he's one of the greats.
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MysteriousNinjaFromMars - Fuck me , people acting like boxers posses the death touch is fucking mental . Yeah sure Mayweather KO's Jones , of course he does.

Edit:

And let me just make opinion clear here. if they had a boxing match Mayweather would win on points, but to say that he would KO Jones is fucking crazy. If you believe that you are living in LA-LA Land.

Floyd ain't just any boxer though, love him or hate him, he's one of the greats.

He sure is and im not disagreeing with that , im disagreeing with the opinion that a pro fighter who doesnt have very good KO power against people his own size being able to KO another pro fighter who has nearly 100 pounds on him.
5/10/13 7:32 AM
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MysteriousNinjaFromMars - Fuck me , people acting like boxers posses the death touch is fucking mental . Yeah sure Mayweather KO's Jones , of course he does.

Edit:

And let me just make opinion clear here. if they had a boxing match Mayweather would win on points, but to say that he would KO Jones is fucking crazy. If you believe that you are living in LA-LA Land.

Floyd ain't just any boxer though, love him or hate him, he's one of the greats.

He sure is and im not disagreeing with that , im disagreeing with the opinion that a pro fighter who doesnt have very good KO power against people his own size being able to KO another pro fighter who has nearly 100 pounds on him.

Yeah fair enough i'll concede that. (See someone backed down on an internet forum, a world first) :)

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