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5/11/13 1:16 PM
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5/11/13 1:21 PM
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Whoever coined the phrase

'If you don't get the finish, you'll never win the decision.'

Should be taken behind the barn and shot.

This
Also "never leave it in the hands of the judges".
Fucking stupid statement. EVERYONE would always finish fights if it was so easy. Phone Post 3.0

Everyone wants to finish fights, BUT some guys actually go out with that intent to finish and those are the guys that make it happen frequently. The pointfighters know if they finish it's more to do with a fortunate moment than because of their focus on going for it.

Some go out with an intent to focus on points and winning the round over a mentality of "I'm going to end this guy" like you would in an actual martial confrontation. Those guys, though they would love a finish because even they know it's superior, know their strategy will win rounds but is highly unlikely to bring a finish because it doesn't really threaten the opponent much, if at all. But their content to focus on pointing to a decision because its the easy way out - requiring less martial skill and risk than focusing on the finish.

No fan should support this. If a fighter isn't going to put a heavy emphasis on being loyal to fighting for the finish, as was always the main point, and isn't loyal to fighting for the fans then the fans would be fools to remain loyal to that fighter.
5/11/13 1:23 PM
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epwar - Dana White quote saying exciting fighters won't get cut:

"When you turn on your TV set and you put down your money or you buy a ticket, that's what you expect to show up and see. As a fight fan, those are the kind of fights you want to watch. And those are the kind of fights where guys won't get cut. It's pretty easy – pretty simple."

Cuts Sam Sicilia and Kurt Holobaugh after both putting on exciting fights.

Dana is definitely guilty of being inconsistent about cutting fighters. It seems they're giving more credit to fighters who are putting on a fight, win or lose, than in the past since the pointfighting problem started, but he's still inconsistent about it.
5/11/13 2:18 PM
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Barbalos - It's the UFCs fault for cutting fighters who lose? No, it's the scoring system and the garbage judging, that's the problem. It is exploitable to fight super safe and win. Didn't the Fitch cut prove that being exciting is more job security than winning by points? Didn't Garcia being around as long as he did also do this?

DaMarques Johnson took a short notice fight after getting KTFO less than two months before and then got cut when he lost.

Yea, he lost 3 in a row but they were all very exciting.

It's safer fighting not to lose than fighting to impress the boss - too subjective.
He also came in overweight. So... Phone Post 3.0
5/11/13 3:12 PM
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Do it like the ammys.  If a fight goes to a decision it's a draw.

 

Imagine the shitstorm that would cause?  Awesome, let's do it.

5/11/13 8:11 PM
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Barbalos - It's the UFCs fault for cutting fighters who lose? No, it's the scoring system and the garbage judging, that's the problem. It is exploitable to fight super safe and win. Didn't the Fitch cut prove that being exciting is more job security than winning by points? Didn't Garcia being around as long as he did also do this?

DaMarques Johnson took a short notice fight after getting KTFO less than two months before and then got cut when he lost.

Yea, he lost 3 in a row but they were all very exciting.

It's safer fighting not to lose than fighting to impress the boss - too subjective.
He also came in overweight. So... Phone Post 3.0

This. Also that is ONE incident. A lot of guys are fighting for a UFC contract, and lots of guys get cut every year. No company is near perfect, but IMO it's the judges and judging criteria that is the problem, moreso than the UFC.
5/11/13 8:16 PM
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OUT with win bonuses

IN with finish bonuses.

 


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5/11/13 10:49 PM
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It's hard to blame a fighter who is trying to win according to the rules that are laid out for them. It is the rules themselves that need to change. I have watched fighters take other fighters down and let them back up repeatedly, without doing anything else aggressive, in order to win a round. And they win! That isn't fighting. Tactics like that should be ridiculed. But the way the fights are judged it is a legit way to score and win. Until the rules are changed, that type of thing will never go away. You or I would do the same thing if it was a good career move.
5/11/13 11:56 PM
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Whoever coined the phrase

'If you don't get the finish, you'll never win the decision.'

Should be taken behind the barn and shot.

This
Also "never leave it in the hands of the judges".
Fucking stupid statement. EVERYONE would always finish fights if it was so easy. Phone Post 3.0

Everyone wants to finish fights, BUT some guys actually go out with that intent to finish and those are the guys that make it happen frequently. The pointfighters know if they finish it's more to do with a fortunate moment than because of their focus on going for it.

Some go out with an intent to focus on points and winning the round over a mentality of "I'm going to end this guy" like you would in an actual martial confrontation. Those guys, though they would love a finish because even they know it's superior, know their strategy will win rounds but is highly unlikely to bring a finish because it doesn't really threaten the opponent much, if at all. But their content to focus on pointing to a decision because its the easy way out - requiring less martial skill and risk than focusing on the finish.

No fan should support this. If a fighter isn't going to put a heavy emphasis on being loyal to fighting for the finish, as was always the main point, and isn't loyal to fighting for the fans then the fans would be fools to remain loyal to that fighter.
I understand your point but I'm speaking in more generalistic terms, just the statement as a whole. There are lots of different arguments for what you are talking about. Phone Post 3.0

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